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  1. Fair comment. Yesterday I was thinking to myself how I would summarize racing's ills in a sentance Run by a bunch of people who vastly over-rate their own ability, vastly over-rate their own importance and vastly under-achieve. So until there is a mutiny/revolution(hopefully with some public guillotining of these useless wankers thrown in) there will be no significant change.
    7 points
  2. Thats always been my attitude. Utter waste of time. Very rarely if ever have I attended one nor their monthly dial in BS sessions. And as for a free beer and a sausage roll - well that is one of the most irritating things of the lot. They are spending industry funds on catering which is not required. The bloody meetings are only for two hours and they insist on lavish spreads??? Even when I travelled ten hours to Oamaru after the Messara report - for Gods sake I will buy my own pie and a drink if I want one. They even insisted on catering when Bernard came to the Coast to meet us. It
    6 points
  3. So a couple of weeks ago the winner ZOLTAN was being investigated by the suits at RP as being a potential record holder...yea good luck with that... Being a suspicious f'er..Chief Gobder of the Rank Integrity Uniks calls me a "train spotter"...no Mickey...it's called INTEGRITY of the Thoroughbred product ffs! ...anyway I looked at other 1100M races and discovered the Gates were IN THE WRONG PLACE! How could they get something so vital SOOOO wrong? Anyway human error is rife in human life...we all know that...apart from the Righteous Right led by Hoskings... But what is
    6 points
  4. Open letter to Mr Phil Holden Dear Mr Holden I have been involved in Harness Racing for over 47 years. In that time HRNZ had serious issues under Max Bowden's chairmanship but they were nothing compared to the mess you and your Board are leading us into now To be blunt your statement that you are keen to 'improve communication, transparency and accountability to everyone in the Industry" is absolute rubbish. My guess is there is a web page under Google somewhere that has a list of things to say to make yourself sound intelligent and you have worked your way through the top 100 p
    6 points
  5. Lets think about AWT racing at Riccarton and the spectator experience Well two things - every time I go there it is invariably freezing cold with the nor-easter blowing straight into your face and secondly the main track is a long way away, the 1200m start diabolically so and the all weather will be inside it so even further away. Strikes me as a bloody good way to ensure nobody turns up on a regular basis. If there was anyone at the CJC with an ounce of imagination they would realise it is in the wrong place and that there is a great opportunity to shift to a purpose built fac
    5 points
  6. I think you are being a bit tough on Hoki there Michael (1) they did NOT accumulate that money through racing activities - it came from the sale of land up the hill behind the racecourse. Land that would have originally been brought with NO help or support from NZTR, the NZ Racing Authority or any other racing hierachy organisation(unlike Riccarton, Greymouth, Wingatui, Invercargill, Trentham, Awapuni, Hawkes Bay, Ellerslie, Te Rapa et al getting massive stands and facilities built and tracks renovated then not looking after them) the Westland Racing Club could NOT get its snout into the
    5 points
  7. It's time to bombard hrnz with complaints about the handicapped system.its been nothing but a total disaster since the rating system started.i congratulate Mark Jones for being one of the most honest best trainers and giving great assessment of his runners most of the time which is great for the sport and punters.mark Jones is a leading light.
    5 points
  8. I know I shouldn't write this but I have had enough of being fed horseshit. From the Annual Report of 2018-2019 There is no escaping from the fact that we must be prepared to grasp the nettle and in some cases move away from our traditional approach if we are to deliver the meaningful change that is required to improve turnover and gross betting revenue. This will no doubt result in some angst for some in our industry, however we must have the courage to show the leadership required, and importantly not take the path of least resistance in an effort to appease the small, but vocal, s
    4 points
  9. Wouldn't it be a tad difficult to keep your rag, temper, shit together, you get my drift, at a meeting where your destiny/career/life path is being discussed by people with absolutely no idea and a track record like a 30 start maiden? I say destiny/career as if this money is pissed up against the wall like Petone management did for years and sent the entire industry to the wall, and was technically insolvent, then yes, another 15 mil plus and to suit who exactly? the bloke that doesn't want to travel? Ask that bloke who know everything to ring 50 Newmarket trainers, other than his new mat
    4 points
  10. The Cambridge Jockey Club have done really well and outsmarted everyone! They were financial enough to fund their own AWT yet managed to twist Winnie's arm and get a taxpayer benefit handout! What's more they suddenly went from being just a training facility to now being a racing venue!!!!! I thought the goal of the Mesara report was to reduce the number of racecourses NOT increase them!
    4 points
  11. The virus gave the industry the opportunity in broad daylight to slash and burn everything from a purely economic sense. The industry was clearly in a mess as shown by the needed bailout but saying goodbye to everything with no thoughts to any other considerations other than saving money was silly and now that is all unraveling upon themselves and it will continue to do so in the future. What will be back next? Trackside Radio? On-course windows? Oncourse presenters? Waimate? Wyndham? Talk about creating resentment within pockets of the industry by their short-sightedness.
    4 points
  12. What has skin in the game got to do with asking legitimate questions around a lack of transparency , the lack of a feasibility study , a lack of costings for installation but also ongoing maintenance and the upgrades . Questions around where is the projections for how these tracks will increase revenue for the betterment of NZ racing , because why else would you put in 3 A/W tracks around NZ if they are not going to be a significant revenue gatherer for racing . I am going to assume you wont respond to any of this , because it appears that you have no concern around whether this is a fis
    4 points
  13. Congratulations Pitty. Presumably you do ALL of those things and dare I say are rewarded accordingly. Don't confuse criticism with valid questions. I've been around this industry long enough to have been suckered in more than once or twice by the glib sugar coated promises of those in charge. Asking for some transparency and some information on the economic drivers of the AWT's is NOT criticism. However the lack of transparency on a huge strategic decision that spends taxpayers money and will adversely affect a number of profitable racing clubs only serves to increase my level of
    4 points
  14. And this is where the overwhelming self interest comes in , if they upgraded the main course then the obvious thing to do is upgrade the training tracks . The lack of detail and costings along with future revenue projections are my biggest concern , if this becomes a cockup there could be no coming back . Mr Pitman has started a thread this morning asking Chief what his skin in the game is , long list of parts . What Mr Pitman and others like him don't get and don't want to get is that asking prudent questions around feasibility studies , financial costings and revenue projections doesn't
    4 points
  15. I think it is sad that New Zealand racing has got to this level. It certainly isn't what got me passionate about the sport. We hear many reasons for why we need AWT's - lost race days, poor training surfaces, and so on. These reasons are largely BS. Take for instance the "lost race days" reason. There isn't a racing jurisdiction in the World that doesn't lose racedays. Storms in Hong Kong, excessive heat in Sydney or Melbourne, surface flooding anywhere! That is the risk of a sport held outdoors. That aside the reality in New Zealand is that many of the cancelled meetings in Ne
    4 points
  16. Will be very interesting to see who is actually sponsoring the Box Seat? Should be able to tell by the advertising! I would be putting forward that connections to the Blue and Silver stable will be in the mix somewhere! Good on Greg OConnor for starting it up again, but if it is the AllStar benefit show again, most people will Just give it a miss again! Very boring when we hear about past races and he is a nice wee fellah, blah blah blah!
    4 points
  17. What pressure , it's not from weekly meetings or even fortnightly meetings . They race more regularly on Randwick and Rosehill FFS . Why doesn't the club just use the millions they are going to pour into the A/W into fixing the track they have , bring it up to top quality standard that can cope with regular racing . Or does that not give you and the other big names the training tracks you want . Everything you say the A/W's will give you can be achieved by bringing the existing track and training facilities up to international standard . Everybody is too starry eyed and busy na
    4 points
  18. Well thats exactly what is going to happen, within 3 years they will have moved the majority of racing onto these tracks, just wait and see thats the plan. I can't work out apart from better for training why a guy like Pitman would think these are good for racing in NZ, give us an explanation if you can? I can see them lined up 10 deep to watch AWT racing at Riccarton and punters falling over each other to get a bet on the thoroughbred equivalent of Harness racing. It's sanitised,mass produced,dumbed down racing that will do nothing for the sport in NZ apart from send it furthe
    4 points
  19. I've sent apologies. Feel free to report back Michael though in case you are the only one there. When you do, it would be good if you could also post the maintenance cost and revenue analysis as well as the final initial costings. Thanks.
    4 points
  20. We're back racing at my home track. Worked a couple on the track at lunch time today and it was in good nick, trials on Saturday were really good for it. A little rain forecast tomorrow but shouldn't impact on it too much. Let's find the good form spotters and add a little interest to the day... I'll chuck up a bet next weekend to the person with the highest tally for the day. 3 points for a win, 2 points for a second, 1 point for a third. Highest points scorer for the day, gets the bet. If there's a tie, the person with the most winners, if still a tie then most seconds and th
    4 points
  21. Nice work you two. Thanks CP once again.
    4 points
  22. As an enthusiast I love the grass tracks but as a punter hate them. No bets for me today but love watching them
    4 points
  23. The big trainers who are based where the A/W's are going in aren't in the least bit worried , more races on their doorstep , less travel , why should they , even if Riccarton and the others only have the 12 meetings a season , it's all about them having a great training track 365 days a year . Get in , perfect , that's all they are interested in . They have all gone on record as saying they will be great to have for the training and trialing alone , racing on them is a bonus . Even if they work out from the point of being utilized regularly , they will not increase revenue enough to
    4 points
  24. I'm afraid so. I'm staggered that road-shows up and down the country can be justified when there is nothing specific to say..? If that doesn't ring alarm bells for those who attended.....oh dear.
    4 points
  25. Seriously, hoe anyone could possibly defend the drive as being acceptable is just ridiculous!!! He couldve easily dropped into the trail early on. He shouldve handed up to Jimmy Curtain a lap out, and to keep his poor horse parked out and then hammer it down the back straight was just ridiculous! Yes of course he is an easy target bit there js a reason for that! Why is he only on a Graduation license, when years ago he had an Open License???? The Harness Industry needs to have far better standards than this, as the drive was a shocker. The same driver had his hors
    4 points
  26. Just how RANK has the Trackside Thoroughbred product become?? ZERO atmosphere, no course presenters, virtually ZERO audio of the great sport of Kings... They could have adopted the FAKE NEWS crowd audio that other World Wide sports of Football and Aussie League inserted... ...but as hopeless is hopeless does....ZERO, NADA...NOTHING They accidentally retained...occasionally that is...of the Barrier gate microphone...that's f in all Imagine a Casino pokie machine with ZERO sound ZERO flashing lights...ZERO excitement? Up close, a Thoroughbred horse race is full of n
    4 points
  27. As Freda said and i have been banging on about since this topic arose , Aus and GB have a large enough horse population that allows for enough horses to cross over to A/W's to make sustainable numbers for regular race meetings , we don't . I'm sure everybody will give it a crack , but as soon as they find out their horses don't go on it they will be out . Then there are the substantial number of winter horses we have that simply aren't fast enough to be competitive on them , they need heavy/bog tracks to be competitive . Then god forbid but we start getting serious injuries , and they hav
    4 points
  28. And then you can speak to another trainer who hates them, getting consensus amongst trainers is like trying to get agreement between political parties. The point for me here is the very good point made by Freda, how will these tracks increase betting revenue? A few mishaps on these tracks early on and trainers possibly even you will avoid them like the plague.
    4 points
  29. One "expert" and only your interpretation of what he said. Where does Godsen train and on what type of surface? I'll tell you where. He trains at Newmarket! 2,500 acres of training facilities. 50 miles of turf gallops surfaces, 14 miles of artificial tracks. The longest Polytrack is 11 furlongs about four horses wide and a straight line!!! Imagine what you could have if you sold Riccarton and built somewhere new - requires vision and balls though. I wouldn't call those that have doubts about the AWT's "doomsayers" but more practical people who are tired of seeing th
    4 points
  30. And in places like Oamaru, maintaining any interest in racing is becoming impossible. Fewer meetings, no radio coverage, no TV coverage for the poor ones like me, no newspaper coverage etc. But we're led to believe by vested interests that an AWT track at Riccarton will solve everything. There's more chance of me turning into Mae West.
    4 points
  31. I used to think the AWT would be a godsend, how wrong I was, and the punter here in Oz agrees. The turnover is terrible compared to a grass track comparable, certain stables do well on them, example, Hayes and Dabernig, they have a similar surface to Pakenham at home, so they have a head start, and know which of these love and those that don't. So it will suit attrition trainers and the big stringers, which really go hand in hand......cynical bastard aren't I?....but having spent a lot of time up in Newmarket UK and watching the horses work on the waxed sand all weather Al Bahathri, som
    4 points
  32. According to your post elsewhere we are all nutters this site! Does that include yourself?
    4 points
  33. Fair comment re the pre race swabbing though maybe capacity constraints would preclude that. And I would be pretty disappointed if the post race swabs are not being processed properly - that is just somethng we presume of course(and I guess to be fair presuming can be dangerous - like Jacinda and co presumed there was border and quarantine testing0 Re growing revenue and stakes that is the point of realising these exceptionally valuable assets - use the investment income to support the stakes and the punter especially offshore will start to take notice, start punting and the snowball eff
    4 points
  34. Back then Brodie was allowed to get on for any money!
    4 points
  35. Colin De Filippi in my opinion would be as honest a person that there is in harness racing in NZ. You only have to look at his record for many decades, and questioning his honesty in that race is puzzling? Still dont believe that CJ deliberately let that horse in because it was a stablemate! If an Allstar horse comes around and gives another Allstars horse cover, on the same basis that driver needs to be charged!,
    4 points
  36. Chelsea has been riding good for quite some time. She is riding beyond her years. Most of her wins seem to be on horses outside of the stable she is linked with. That speaks volumes as well.
    4 points
  37. R3 Arnies Army place @ 6.75 R5 Sugarinspice win @8.50 Prob wouldnt be able to get a $5 multi on this, would break the TABs bank
    4 points
  38. Not only that it's a complete misunderstanding of your customer base, a complete disregard for the industry. Surely there were other areas for cost savings before this crazy decision?
    4 points
  39. An Elephant Gun.........but seriously, there has been no accountability for a decade, it got worse and worse, it's a runaway train, even now. I was chatting to an expat trainer only yesterday and she's hopeful of getting at least 4 horses to train from couldn't care a less trainers in the Waikato.......so apathy and lack of accountability is rife. Pity though the poor battler getting up at 4am and driving hours and hours to race for 5k while a few office animals are arriving to their office at 9ish and leaving at 5ish and pocketing hundreds of thousands of dollars.......there are still quite
    4 points
  40. I side with Brodie and Whiplash on this. Drivers got fined for hitting the sulky shaft and dust sheet FFS!
    4 points
  41. I actually don't care what you or anyone else thinks about me personally BUT I do care when I see absolute crap written when I have experience and knowledge to confirm it so. The only reason any restructure goes as slow as this one is because those doing it are incompetent and/or risk adverse. That's the last thing the Racing Industry needs. It needs decisive action and leadership. We haven't seen that in 18 months with this crowd.
    4 points
  42. Yes, the turnover is horrible on jumps racing. There is 1 key factor at play 1) The time of the day jumps races are run does restrict how much money is bet on them.
    4 points
  43. What about the possibility that HRNZ are covering their arses? That is they know their employment processes concerning Holden were crap and open to scrutiny so they then put in this new process. Will the end result be Holden keeps the job in the new year? Who would apply anyway when you see how the Board operates?
    4 points
  44. Heard someone broke into our local dog pound and released all the dogs, police are following a number of leads.
    3 points
  45. Haven't the turnovers for grass track meetings always been good no matter where they're run?? I love that Cromwell meeting every January on the grass, for me if the $$$ say so why on earth from October to February it's a no brainer to have a grass meeting every fortnight shared between BP/Orari/Methven/Cromwell/Waikouaiti, yes you'll get the odd wet day. Good for horses bodies, battling horses can make some $$ and from a punters point of view this is very important the Purdon runners generally stay away, large fields so more competitive racing so surely equates to more $$$ invested o
    3 points
  46. Indeed it is but it needs to be removed before any grooming or conditioning takes place. They are either being totally naive, haven't done their homework, or are telling porkies. Roughly speaking if Saundry is correct, the replenishment cost alone amounts to 50-80k a year. You then have another 3.5 million full replacement cost say every 10 years. So that's another 350k a year. An employee is another 50k or so. You need to buy or lease and maintain specialised conditioning equipment. If there are 250 horses using it year round, those owners will need to cough up a couple of grand eac
    3 points
  47. Great post Rusty. 158! Good darts score but not a market percentage for a race. It is no surprise is it. We have always said they are no bookies. The setting of the odds was off the mark (for me that is) as I alluded to about a few other horses in another thread. Some a bit high but many short. 5s for Dreamsinthe Mist is a direct fear of the trainer and nothing to do with the horse's ability as it has been very mediocre at the trials. The TAB will loosen the odds this morning once they awaken. It seems to be the pattern. They also seem to be very paranoid about getting take
    3 points
  48. Doesn't take much time. I know because I've complained recently through the Ombudsman about something. Doesn't cost either. If it goes higher in the courts then there are a number of up and coming constitution lawyers that will take the case on. I've learnt recently that there are a lot of regulations applied by certain authorities that don't stand up to the law. For a long time I've felt that the term "undesirable" should be tested in Court. Especially when those that use this reason would fail the test.
    3 points
  49. I agree , whilst we're at it , it is time Trentham went the same way and no reason Ellerslie can't join them . We need to look to the future , and i mean 10/20 years from now . The above tracks are all tracks i love to bet at , and grew up at Trentham , love the place , but it's best days are gone , we have to plan for the future . Bar the odd big day none of these tracks attract regular big crowds , the days when they did have gone , they were in the city because everyone went to the races , but these days city slickers have deserted racing , far too many other things to do now .
    3 points
  50. They dont mind sports betting as it is a big winner for them! They have this bee in their bonnet about harness racing because their percentage yield on harness with the fixed odds was well down on gallops and the greyhounds! The idiots in power at the TAB brilliant idea was to stop harness punters from winning and rely on the losing punters to increase yield for them! The dickheads business plan is so flawed, instead of decreasing turnover they should be wanting to increase it!!!!!! Even at a lower yield, if their turnover was increased then their profit would be greater on a
    3 points
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