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  1. There is no lower cost for anyone involved in Racing. Farriers, Chiropractor's , Vets , Feed Merchants, etc continue to increase charges . The trainers hurting are the smaller trainers. The grass root people. The so called top trainers are charging plenty and they just pass it on to their clients. The powers that be in Wellington want to make it easier for them. Instead of making it a level playing field Wellington draft up stupid proposals that will only force more good people out of the industry.
    10 points
  2. Where do I start here? So you are telling us on course turnover is a red herring? So why don't we just forget about NZ Racing and just take the second leg from Busan or Golden Gate and be done with it? Incidentally Kumara's total turnover was just on $2m so given the extra industry funds Auckland received I would expect proportionately at least $10m in turnover on that meeting. You only say oncourse turnover and attendance is irrelevant because Ellerslie's was both proportionately and (no doubt) actually abysmal by comparison The difference is Reefton paid for its own fa
    9 points
  3. I'd like to wish everyone who uses this forum, even occasionally, a happy and safe holiday period, in the manner that you personally choose to celebrate. I hope also, that sooner rather than later, we can again enjoy our lovely country with compassion, inclusiveness, and with due respect given to common decency and natural justice.
    8 points
  4. There's got to be some brave souls that work in the Petone Taj Mahal, good people that know their limitations. There are also a number of mediocre executives that come up with shite like this. I remember when we all respected the old Racing Conference, they were vastly different animals to what inhabit the Taj now. The racing today at TAU was deplorable, but I bet the car park piss up was awesome, it always is, the biggest boot party in the Valley, and Welly for that matter, it will be gone within a decade, owner trainers, small trainers, all gone, it's progress, defined by fuckwits
    7 points
  5. People that run casino's, that is their CEO's, usually start at the bottom within the organization and work their way up to the top. Example, croupier, pit boss, security etc. They usually have a thorough grounding in all aspects of the gaming business. The TAB do the opposite, they employ people that have no understanding of the business, and would not know a punter if they fell over one. They have been repeating this failed formula for choosing their CEO's for some time. Just my thoughts on subject.
    6 points
  6. The real problem is that it's mainly academics who're enforcing the rules. IMO the JCA personnel is manifestly wrong and the personnel appointing the JCA is also wrong, the two person judicial panel should be appointed by racing clubs and include practical people such as an ex jockey/trainer and an ex racing journalist. No lawyers, no social climbers, no big noter's. Any serious non race-day inquiries decided by an independent one person panel. It's a travesty that C. Johnson has convictions for excessive whip use, there wouldn't be a kinder rider who's graced the pigskin than Joh
    6 points
  7. For all that I reiterate (as I have at times before) I have no beef with the ARC or any other big city Club. A strong Auckland presence is absolutely critical to the NZ industry as is say a strong Christchurch presence to the South Island Industry. What I object to is the implication they run superior(comparatively) operations and that somehow the wider industry should be eternally grateful to them. They get to run the bigger days because they are subsidised by the income generated lower down the food chain pure and simple - they get a disproportionate share of the funds. NZTR are abo
    6 points
  8. I don't think you need to be an accountant to distinguish between space for 2000 and space for 6000 people. They hug the outside fence at Kumara because they want to be out there as close as possible to the action and the excitement, not occasionally peering down from some air-conditioned box in a white elephant of a stand.
    6 points
  9. Yes Pam and I apologize in hindsight for not getting you up into the 'free drinks' area(I had a lot on my mind when I was talking to you) I have the composition of the RJC submission re the dates stewing away between my ears as we speak but the bottom line is three meetings here over five days is impossible. We need a reshuffle of the Calendar so we have it over a minimum of 7 days but the logical deal is four meetings in 10 days(Thursday 5th - Reefton - Sunday 8th - Greymouth - Wednesday 11th - Greymouth(maybe the Westland Racing Club) and Saturday 14th at Kumara). Shift Waikouaiti to
    6 points
  10. Thanks everyone for your good wishes. it has been extremely hot up there and we had to pour plenty of water on especially given the trotters raced on what I think was a track bordering on slow which means they hammered a strip about two metres out(and we did not want that area - or any other area - baking hard). There was a strip of carpet on the fence but the affects of the heat are obvious there too now. As CS said Reefton is a different world when the summer arrives. The course looks superb and it is basically fingers crossed for a crowd that will show Bernard and Co that we are worth p
    6 points
  11. But they may be all dressed up with nowhere to go
    6 points
  12. Media Release 17 January 2022 TAB NZ appoints Mike Tod as new CEO TAB NZ has appointed corporate executive Mike Tod as Chief Executive Officer. Board Chair Mark Stewart says Mike will take up the position on March 21. “The Board and I are thrilled to welcome someone of Mike’s international experience to lead TAB NZ. He is a deeply customer-centric leader with extensive experience in key areas of focus for our organisation, including product and service innovation, marketing, brand and consumer engagement. His appointment and those areas of focus w
    5 points
  13. Heard a rumour today that Race have sold another piece of redundant land at Trentham to a housing developer , the grassed area in front of the public stand .
    5 points
  14. Don't know whether we deserve congratulations JB but we have it a lot easier row to hoe that say a country club running late Autumn or early winter. Reefton in mid summer at 30 degrees on a good 3 is a lot more attractive than (say) an 11 degree Oamaru heavy 11 winter Tuesday. So we are lucky that Kumara holds us in that holiday spot. I have said before dragging the big Clubs down serves no purpose whatsoever as we desperately need them to do well BUT when they(the likes of NZTR) try to make out that the ARC(say) is comparable to Randwick or somewhere and they are not even doing $100k o
    5 points
  15. Don't be an utter dick. Are you trying to suggest I have something to hide? Total $1.184m(versus Ellerslie's $1.893m on a weekend Reefton oncourse (including phone betting) 90.3K versus Ellerslie - with a weekend date, a catchment of 1.5million people, and a heap of feature(read well funded) races - 89.7k. You might be able to fit the entire Kumara crowd on one floor of Ellerslie's public grandstand but from the sounds of things you could have fitted Ellerslie's entire crowd in Kumara's grandstand last weekend
    5 points
  16. There is something unique about the Ellerslie track --how many times do we see a horse skying away from the rail as they near the finish ? They do not do it at other tracks, only Ellerslie.There was a couple of blatant examples yesterday, both resulting in inquiries. Why does this occur? I asked a jockey and he said the horse just swerved violently and like most jocks he was clueless So I thought I would ask the horse-you know, straight from the horses mouth !. Hoss said "I was cruising down the straight next to the running rail and keeping a nice straight line and all of a sudde
    5 points
  17. You said you could fit the entire crowd from Kumara on one floor of the Ellerslie Public Stand then when I challenged you you tried to say the entire area of both Ellerslie Grandstands(incidentally both built using industry funds(the old Amenities Fund) that Kumara contributed to). Whats more if you think Kumara only get 2000 people then you are living in fairyland(I will reserve my judgment re that). But anyway even if they do only get 2000 based on a population of 700 that is almost three times their population through the gate. So why doesn't Ellerslie get 4.5m people to their dump?
    5 points
  18. Don't agree with trainers incentives , yet again they have lost sight of who should be getting bonus' , the owner . Put up bonus' for a horse winning twice over the 3 days , even all 3 days , or for a horse that can win and then place in a black type race . Something that rewards the right person . No we will give the guy who's job it is to get horses to the races already . And can lead to a trainer lining up horses just to chase the bonus .
    5 points
  19. Been at Kumara and been in the Public Grandstand at Ellerslie and I seriously doubt it. Plus when I was there the atmosphere(or lack of it) at Ellerslie would have chased them all away anyway. No point in apologizing for these big Clubs - overall they suck the industry dry and on ordinary days nobody wants to go there
    5 points
  20. Yes, that point was brought home to me yesterday, chatting with a training friend. I hadn't thought of it, but - as he said - wouldn't you think that breeders would be kicking up about the implications? Where will their 2nd and 3rd tier horses go, if the smaller trainer is squeezed out and the big shots have picked the eyes out pf the catalogues?
    5 points
  21. Was a super day - heat notwithstanding. Caught up with so many old friends, among them former very good trainer Helen Preston, along with a happy and enthusiastic crowd. I hear the next year's days for the three Coast clubs are Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday. Westland again misses out, although I'm told they applied for a day. The prospect of these wonderful days getting transferred to the AWT is alarming.
    5 points
  22. Yep. But I'm not going to criticise the winningest jockey NZ has ever seen. He sweated buckets on the truck, that in itself may have been enough to cost him a wee bit of lift. But not too many options if the front wasn't happening. Quite happy. Going well and trying hard. Good on the horse, he's had issues and looks very genuine now.
    5 points
  23. Everyone is entitled to their opinions....and, I am opposed big-time to the vaccine mandate. But, your observation is about where I sit too. If vaccination wasn't being forced upon people, but rather a matter for free and informed choice, there would, IMO, still be nearly as many vaxxed. No division, angst, and far less fear in the community. No businesses facing either huge costs in the form of fines, or compliance - or closure. About the same amount of infections. And, how about reporting - and helping - those who are actually seriously ill? instead of a clu
    5 points
  24. What is the problem they are trying to address? It isn't clearly stated so therefore how can success be accurately measured? Are the changes going to help increase the number of trainers and horses in training? I'd say the opposite as the barriers to entry are being raised. Will trainer costs/overheads be reduced? No, both directly and indirectly they will increase. Indirectly by the diversion of potential stake money to fund more bureaucracy. Will compliance to standards improve? Not likely as if there is failure now then that is not due to rules being in place but through
    5 points
  25. Correction, Timaru raced twice on the 27th and 29th December and there were two days at Dunedin but their first day was a week before boxing day. By my reckoning that's fourteen days racing in the South in a month, now there's seven ! Whilst horse numbers and race days have plummeted those clipping the ticket at Petone has skyrocketed, I would've thought that with today's technology many of the Petone social climbers wouldn't be required anyway.
    5 points
  26. It is not just the South Mike. The whole programming system is cocked up. The week of the year when racing enthusiasm is sky high and two days without any meetings at all?????? The Wellington Cup Carnival absolutely stuffed through being spread over three weeks????? In the south two feature meetings in seven weeks pre Christmas then seven in consecutive weekends post Christmas?????? Meetings like Waikouaiti Omakau Tauherenikau which get huge holiday crowds dumped??????? There should be at least one meeting every day in NZ this week. Including a decent feature day every second day at
    5 points
  27. It is all totally laughable. Who the hell do they think they are kidding, totally bereft of ideas. The industry is fcuked, leadership caused
    5 points
  28. Hopefully the RIB and judiciary , along with the whole of the NZTR management and throw in The Racing Board and TAB management as well , why the fuck not .
    4 points
  29. If I've said this before, please excuse an old waffler', however, Roy Higgins [the greatest jockey to ever live, and my business partner in the late 80's ] said to me once, I didn't want to hit them if they were in front, and I tried to live to that edict', Roy reasoned that, if they had got to the front they were giving their best, he added though, every now and again you'd get on a colt that had a tendency to bludge and needed a reminder, but not a thrashing, unlike Mick Dittman the persuader. He and one MR Campbell were the strongest whip riders I saw, with J Cassidy and Roger Lang being th
    4 points
  30. Cameron George you can't do both the Warrior's and the NZTR jobs. Resign from one or end your career in ignominy. Peter V’landys you are definitely NOT. I suggest you hang up the cartel suit and stick to wearing the Rugby League jersey. Costs are out of control at NZTR, the number of employees are increasing at rate the industry can't afford and you have an IT Project out of control.
    4 points
  31. Agreed, it was a very poor attempt and I apologize for it. My solution is simple. I breed them here and ship them to Oz where the programming, prize money and participants are appreciated. Our racing industry is in a sad downhill decline. Our breeding industry, while much smaller than a few years ago, is still regarded highly and that is being reflected on the Gold Coast this week.
    4 points
  32. My best day in racing(not necessarily from the punt) was winning a race on Wellington Cup day with NGH on board. Wasn't there as I did not want to hex the horse but biggest thrill I've had
    4 points
  33. Jesus H Christ, those figures are impressive, what does that tell you about grassroots, that's what's so sad, no, infuriating......Petone just doesn't get it, it's a culture thing now and that's passed Petone by, big city NZ has no romance with the turf, going to the races, watching the horses, mixing with family and mates, sharing a chardy, or a beer or 3, and knowing every year you can replicate a super day......Ellerslie's day in the sun has set.....well and truly, the flagship has sunk, and Trentham other than one or two days will go same way.......but the committee will still piss up as i
    4 points
  34. I just happened to look at the programme for next week's Trentham meeting. I was interested to see what sort of programme they would run with a lower key meeting between two group meetings. I note they are planning to run $40,000 open class races over 1,600m and 1,400m. Not very often you see a club with two open races and only 200m difference in distances. I note that this week the Anniversary has only 9 acceptors and in a couple of weeks we have the group 1 Thorndon mile. Obviously this has all been worked out by some of the greatest minds from NZTR and the Central Districts expert
    4 points
  35. The money running out is reflected on the facilities everyone is complaining about. 30 years ago when the Racing Authority had a huge Amenities Fund the Wellington Racing Club(say) would trot along and say 'we need x amount of money to build a new Stand' and they would get all or most of it. Now there is no fund left they are unable to replace those aging and delapidated assets and hence the complaints about facilities. The CJC may(and I am guessing here) be in that boat with their public stand - insufficient insurance proceeds to build something suitable and no money of their own so they a
    4 points
  36. Forgive me if someone has already mentioned it(I have not read either the document nor all this string) but my impression is this is a commerce commission issue of anti competitive behaviour. Elite trainers will not longer have to compete......? Sounds awfully like price gouging to me. Just because someone is charging a lower rate does not mean they are giving lesser service or are less capable. One or two 'elite' trainers have been known to make noises about how they are moving to Aussie but have never actually got there preferring (I would presume) to remain a big fish in a small pond. Th
    4 points
  37. That's an incorrect observation. As @Freda posted most posters on this site have been repeatedly writing the same criticisms as De Lore. Arguably he has been late to the party having cheer led for Messara for some time. A few like @JJ Flashlikewise. Unfortunately NZTR and some clubs e.g. CJC have too much power and influence over rank and file stakeholders. That is they can make life and making ends meet very hard for the stakeholder on a day to day basis. Until those stakeholders sing off the same songsheet, commit to collective action and derail the gravy train it will keep on suck
    4 points
  38. The Waikouaiti feature day is a disgrace. It was purely a reward for giving up their track and day without complaint. Money no object when it comes to bribes like that. Meanwhile Timaru has no feature days. A much more logical pattern would have been for Timaru to race on New Years day with a feature meeting.
    4 points
  39. Mary Mary Quite contrary My, how your salary does grow You huffed and you puffed About the cohort of five But rushed when offered the chance Of the greasy gravy jive You're just a puss who licks to lick The bowl known as NZRBA/NZTR
    4 points
  40. Like hell I was light on irrigation. I plastered absolute gallons of the stuff on the track in the period four days before until 30 hours before the first race. Couple of differences though (1) the irrigation system we use is accurate and consistent across the track and (2)it was supervised and planned to achieve a D4 track race morning which it did despite the extreme(comparatively)temperatures in the four days before raceday and the badly damaged state of the surface after the frotting meeting. When I say planned of course it was planned on the run given the time frames. I know I am lu
    4 points
  41. Long way to travel to be turned away????? It is bloody NZTR policy that we cannot let unvaxxed in man! Not our call and bear in mind that one of the Souths most prominent riders and two of their best trainers are not allowed on a racecourse because of their vaccination status. One of our own life members could not attend becuase he is not fully vaxxed. I am not particularly pro vaxx - some of my good mates are either unvaxxed or totally anti vaxx. But we have rules in place and continue to race we must abide by them. It is a bloody long way from the stupidest NZTR decree I have ever heard a
    4 points
  42. Sounds like most of stipes , usually there without a responsible adult supervising them .
    4 points
  43. Do we really believe these are the meetings where the big decisions or plans are instigated or decisions made , these are the paying the lip service meetings , cynical i know , but we have had plenty of experience .
    4 points
  44. Neither have I. Only from NZTA. That arrived Sunday, with a request to RSVP by Monday....!! Curious expressed his thoughts far better than I could...no specific 'agenda', aims, or points of discussion, with opinions and/or suggested solutions called for. No research that I could see as a term of reference, with evidence that a particular plan might work. Just a lot of fluffy stuff, with that awful comment ' elite trainers will not have to compete with the lower-cost model ' which has offended people at the track this morning, I can assure you. But most will h
    4 points
  45. That would be a good start to clarify in the first instance. Presumably it would be to improve TR wagering revenue but it seems there may be some other agenda here. First clarify that. Produce some sort of paper that provides the data, analysis, recommendations/proposals and some sort of projections as to how any changes in the two noted areas might effect that. THEN have some meetings to discuss. That would be standard business practice wouldn't it?
    4 points
  46. Notwithstanding all the other ramifications of these proposed changes, this particular idea merely returns classifications to yesteryear. Public trainers and owner- trainers were the only categories then. I well recall the resistance to the idea of the permit-holder, when it was brought in. Objections from the Trainers ' Assn branch that I was involved with ( Canterbury/Westland ) included worries about undercutting fees, and dropping standards of service. Also, the training of young folk, either potential trainers or apprentice jockeys, was going to be compromised. Sub
    4 points
  47. Fuck off , some of the best horseman i have known have been hobbyist/enthusiast trainers . And some of the worst have called themselves professionals and their standards have been far from high performing , and i know from first hand experience , some of the stuff that some of the people i have worked for has been eye opening . Perhaps if they are setting standards for the industry they should start with themselves , because high performance alongside NZTR is the gold standard for the word OXYMORON . As for the underlined sentence , welcome to their vision of Hong Kong in NZ , centra
    4 points
  48. He has the choice to do whatever he wants to, just like you do. An extremely talented hoop who seemingly has a brain.
    4 points
  49. It is up to each individual club if dogs are allowed on tracks. As many trainers, including ourselves, have dogs as long they are on leads and well behaved there is no problem at all. Most of the trainers dogs are around horses everyday of the week and are use to horses. some dogs are more well behaved than some on course patrons!
    4 points
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