Trojan Posted May 4 Posted May 4 Is it OK for an ex-RIB steward/adjudicator to comment on racing individuals on social media while hiding behind a non-de-plume? Quote
Trojan Posted May 4 Author Posted May 4 13 minutes ago, Freda said: I would think, highly inappropriate. So slagging current employees and decisions would be way across the line? Quote
Murray Fish Posted May 4 Posted May 4 37 minutes ago, Trojan said: Is it OK for an ex-RIB steward/adjudicator to comment on racing individuals on social media while hiding behind a non-de-plume? were they insightful comments? Quote
Murray Fish Posted May 4 Posted May 4 21 minutes ago, Trojan said: So slagging current employees and decisions would be way across the line? copy and paste! so we can Comment!!!! Quote
curious Posted May 4 Posted May 4 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Trojan said: Is it OK for an ex-RIB steward/adjudicator to comment on racing individuals on social media while hiding behind a non-de-plume? Why not? They are entitled to express an opinion like everyone else aren't they? Edited May 4 by curious 3 Quote
billy connolly Posted May 4 Posted May 4 2 hours ago, Trojan said: Is it OK for an ex-RIB steward/adjudicator to comment on racing individuals on social media while hiding behind a non-de-plume? Who is it, nom de plume will do, thanks? Have observed McCutcheon blowing his trumpet on Arsebook which is not a good look for an old has-been living on faded dreams. Quote
Chimbu Posted May 4 Posted May 4 2 hours ago, curious said: Why not? They are entitled to express an opinion like everyone else aren't they? Yes, I tend to think they are. However, I would hope that anything they have to offer is constructive questioning, and/or comment, which utilises their experience in a way that could potentially bring benefit to the industry. You can be critical in a constructive way - I'm fine with that. On the other hand, if someone is choosing to be deliberatively destructive against individuals or the industry, whether or not that person is utilising insider knowledge gained in previous employment to do this, then I seriously question that individual's motivation, ethics and morals. Q: I think they should be asking themselves how such actions ultimately benefit our industry? 2 Quote
Trojan Posted May 4 Author Posted May 4 2 hours ago, curious said: Why not? They are entitled to express an opinion like everyone else aren't they? Are you making a statement or asking questions? Quote
curious Posted May 4 Posted May 4 16 minutes ago, Trojan said: Are you making a statement or asking questions? Don't ?s usually indicate questions? If there is an implicit statement hidden amongst them, it's that my belief in free speech is paramount unless that goes beyond what is legally allowed or perhaps breaches an employment agreement. Don't know anything about the details here so those were definitely questions. 2 Quote
Trojan Posted May 4 Author Posted May 4 50 minutes ago, curious said: Don't ?s usually indicate questions? If there is an implicit statement hidden amongst them, it's that my belief in free speech is paramount unless that goes beyond what is legally allowed or perhaps breaches an employment agreement. Don't know anything about the details here so those were definitely questions. Well the person has gone beyond holding an opinion and seems to have a personal vendetta against some RIB employees and other racing participants. Some "opinions" seem to be evidence of leaked information as well. Quote
curious Posted May 4 Posted May 4 10 minutes ago, Trojan said: Well the person has gone beyond holding an opinion and seems to have a personal vendetta against some RIB employees and other racing participants. Some "opinions" seem to be evidence of leaked information as well. So what. Isn't that how they arrived at the opinion they are expressing. What's wrong with that? Quote
Trojan Posted May 4 Author Posted May 4 31 minutes ago, curious said: So what. Isn't that how they arrived at the opinion they are expressing. What's wrong with that? So you see no issue at all even if the opinions have been influenced by unethical behaviour? Quote
Murray Fish Posted May 4 Posted May 4 27 minutes ago, Trojan said: So you see no issue at all even if the opinions have been influenced by unethical behaviour? explain the material reality of this sort of thing. who says it was unethical? the pope? d trump? Quote
Trojan Posted May 4 Author Posted May 4 7 minutes ago, Murray Fish said: explain the material reality of this sort of thing. who says it was unethical? the pope? d trump? Well apply your standards then. Quote
curious Posted May 4 Posted May 4 (edited) 2 hours ago, Trojan said: So you see no issue at all even if the opinions have been influenced by unethical behaviour? Yes. You'd have to detail that. I have no idea about the opinions or what they were influenced by. Even so, they have every right to express them don't they? Edited May 4 by curious Quote
Dark Beau Posted May 4 Posted May 4 Chief Trojan, help us out. What's his non-de-plume? Please cut and paste what has been said, then I will be better prepared to give you an honest option. I thank you in anticipation of your prompt response. Riace 1 Quote
Murray Fish Posted May 4 Posted May 4 11 hours ago, Trojan said: Well apply your standards then. How can that be done if 'we' don't know who said what about who? Quote
curious Posted May 4 Posted May 4 (edited) 2 hours ago, Murray Fish said: How can that be done if 'we' don't know who said what about who? Given there's not any evidence supporting this story, I have to assume it's either hypothetical or fake news. Edited May 4 by curious 1 Quote
Trojan Posted May 4 Author Posted May 4 3 hours ago, Murray Fish said: How can that be done if 'we' don't know who said what about who? 39 minutes ago, curious said: Given there's not any evidence supporting this story, I have to assume it's either hypothetical or fake news. So your answer to a question on ethics is - "it depends"? Quote
curious Posted May 4 Posted May 4 1 hour ago, Trojan said: So your answer to a question on ethics is - "it depends"? Of course. I make and hep others make ethical decisions almost daily. You can only do so case by case. What is the basis of the ethical concerns you raised here? The rest of us can hardly decide unless you declare those. 1 Quote
Murray Fish Posted May 4 Posted May 4 14 minutes ago, curious said: Of course. I make and hep others make ethical decisions almost daily. You can only do so case by case. What is the basis of the ethical concerns you raised here? The rest of us can hardly decide unless you declare those. tick... sitting here in the cheapseats awaiting declarations!!! Quote
Trojan Posted May 5 Author Posted May 5 34 minutes ago, curious said: Of course. I make and hep others make ethical decisions almost daily. You can only do so case by case. What is the basis of the ethical concerns you raised here? The rest of us can hardly decide unless you declare those. FFS God help those you assist in making eithical decisions. If they are involved in racing then no wonder racing is confused! I've given you the case. An ex-RIB Steward/Adjudicator hiding behind a non-de-plume is online slagging ex-colleagues that are still employed. As well as casting unfounded assertions on participants. We are not talking whistleblowing here. Quote
curious Posted May 5 Posted May 5 25 minutes ago, Trojan said: FFS God help those you assist in making eithical decisions. If they are involved in racing then no wonder racing is confused! I've given you the case. An ex-RIB Steward/Adjudicator hiding behind a non-de-plume is online slagging ex-colleagues that are still employed. As well as casting unfounded assertions on participants. We are not talking whistleblowing here. So it's just a story of yours with no evidence or detail? 1 Quote
Trojan Posted May 5 Author Posted May 5 1 hour ago, curious said: So it's just a story of yours with no evidence or detail? NO it's not just a story. Yes there is evidence and detail BUT the question was is the behaviour ethical? Your answer is an equivocal - it depends! 1 Quote
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