curious Posted February 7, 2019 Posted February 7, 2019 It would be about 10.5% if you exclude NH races. Still nowhere close to 15% and NZ includes jumping races highweights etc. in their calculation. Quote
Thomass Posted February 7, 2019 Author Posted February 7, 2019 And do they have SW&F All P's as part of their Black Type show? Quote
mardigras Posted February 7, 2019 Posted February 7, 2019 13 minutes ago, Thomass said: And do they have SW&F All P's as part of their Black Type show? No, but then they don't consider handicap racing as being suitable for black type either. They may stupidly have one handicap listed race from memory, but would have to check. Quote
mardigras Posted February 7, 2019 Posted February 7, 2019 23 minutes ago, curious said: It would be about 10.5% if you exclude NH races. Still nowhere close to 15% and NZ includes jumping races highweights etc. in their calculation. I thought it about 8%. 1500 odd non NH events. Still, they would fall off if they weren't meeting the required level. Quote
Sandpiper Posted February 8, 2019 Posted February 8, 2019 4 hours ago, Thomass said: Somebody told me it was inequatable?? Could you show how straight forward it is please? I can read and understand the conditions in a few seconds. Starting weights for age/sex then a list of 7 bulletpoints, 3 of which only apply to winners of 2yo or 3yo races. Show me whats not simple about it? I would add that the conditions should appear more prominently for punters. But that applies for all race types. Quote
Thomass Posted February 8, 2019 Author Posted February 8, 2019 Have you got the 7 handy for a cutnpaste? So no inequity? A neddy beaten a nose gets nothing...yet the winner 3kgs? And the 18 months gap...nothing...17 months 30 days 3 kgs?? Could you address that too...thanks While you're there...a Black Type 3yo race at HQ has the astonishing race conditions of each win receiving 1 kgs...So a G1 nose placing receives nothing...but a mid weak race at Te Amuta 1Kg? How is that even allowed to be Black type? Quote
Sandpiper Posted February 8, 2019 Posted February 8, 2019 25 minutes ago, Thomass said: Have you got the 7 handy for a cutnpaste? So no inequity? A neddy beaten a nose gets nothing...yet the winner 3kgs? And the 18 months gap...nothing...17 months 30 days 3 kgs?? Could you address that too...thanks While you're there...a Black Type 3yo race at HQ has the astonishing race conditions of each win receiving 1 kgs...So a G1 nose placing receives nothing...but a mid weak race at Te Amuta 1Kg? How is that even allowed to be Black So you have started a topic, reiterated your dislike for the conditions and are now asking me to tell you what those conditions are? Do you not know what it is you dont like so much?? Quote
Thomass Posted February 8, 2019 Author Posted February 8, 2019 42 minutes ago, Sandpiper said: So you have started a topic, reiterated your dislike for the conditions and are now asking me to tell you what those conditions are? Do you not know what it is you dont like so much?? NZTR sent them to me a few years back...misplaced them but got a general idea... Ok, can you just send me the link so I can view them again then...ffs I definitely know the ridiculous inequities as pointed out... ..and you're ok with that? Quote
mardigras Posted February 9, 2019 Posted February 9, 2019 2 hours ago, Thomass said: A neddy beaten a nose gets nothing...yet the winner 3kgs? Can you tell me what the relative penalty is for a maiden winner by a nose compared to the horse that ran second. Cheers. Is it 3kg? More? Less? Quote
Thomass Posted February 11, 2019 Author Posted February 11, 2019 Even you know this is an accepted anomaly....requested by trainers who were wanting opportunities for maiden winners in Black Type events Only you could compare the two The UNACCEPTABLE anomaly is CONCENSUS losing by a neck...receiving no penalty.. ...and the winner 3 kgs... That consigns SW&F All P's to the Junk Bond 'Black Type' category... Quote
mardigras Posted February 11, 2019 Posted February 11, 2019 18 minutes ago, Thomass said: That consigns SW&F All P's to the Junk Bond 'Black Type' category... Whatever that is, but it is superior to the category where black type handicap races go. Quote
Thomass Posted February 11, 2019 Author Posted February 11, 2019 Ya think? Do handicaps have a cut off point of 18 months then nothing for 17 months 31days? Quote
mardigras Posted February 12, 2019 Posted February 12, 2019 19 minutes ago, Thomass said: Ya think? Do handicaps have a cut off point of 18 months then nothing for 17 months 31days? It's relatively trivial. It's a poor form of handicapping instead of just using WFA. They might be crap, but they aren't as bad as NZ handicaps. And you endorse black type handicap racing. Quote
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