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or that is otherwise harmful to the reputation or standing to the New Zealand racing industry; So, for example, critical comment that may be harmful to the industry seems to go way beyond the BOR rights' limitations doesn't it? Whether or not they deem it harmful to the industry can not be a Rule of Racing if it conflicts with the BOR. This seems to go way beyond it, so is probably not valid because of that conflict?

Ok I'll put the moot another way. What part of the NZTR revised 801 Rule conflicts with Rule 41 (1)?

Point to specifically in BORA that justifies YOUR position.

They already get way more than the net revenue from the oncourse betting plus any gate and hospitality. not sure I agree with NZTR throwing more at it.

I reckon you are as stupid a prick as he is if that's what you think.

What I quoted above is the law? Your question doesn't make sense.

That's a very moot point regarding your entitlement under the BORA and as I said above I'm sure that Freedom of Expression covers calling anyone a "stupid prick" but that is a different Act and doesn't apply to you as an individual. If you persist in calling @hesi a stupid prick online he has every right to ask you to desist and if you fail to do so can use the HDCA to force you to desist.

Which laws? Given your rudimentary understanding of BORA and HRA I'd be interested to know specifically what laws you refer to.

I don't believe NZTR would get hammered. Afterall didn't he throw in his license to avoid getting "hammered"?

There is so little in the tote pools in most races nowadays. There is so little in the place pools now alot due to the Clowns that decided not go show the place fixed odds on Trackside!! Not sure how much is wagered on Fixed Odds rather than the tote but it has to be significantly more nowadays! The truth of the matter is that they could have even bigger turnover if they allowed punters on for what they want, but nah we only want small wagering on harness and the known losing punters! There is nothing surer than the harness industry being in doggie doo in 2 years time, snd by then they will have taken their heads out of the sand?

I'm not sure I agree with that. The winner of that race by virtue of winning it got entry into the KM and nearly pulled off the win in KM 2yr old. Although only four in the field this year there were 7 the previous year. 2yr olds have to start somewhere. I know a Grp 1 winning filly and mulltiple Group winner that started its career in a 3 horse 2yr old race at the course. Incentives such as what? Tauherenikau is favoured with a number of meetings during the holiday period. Isn't that incentive enough?

10,000% wrong road to go down... just let him keep funding his horses! sigh, he posts on a 100% Racing (FB) Group that doesn't get much pick up by the big 'algorithms', if any at all!!! He has his supporters! Let him Howl!!!

pardon!!! ps. almost feel like playing up just to see what happens!!! I'm sure I could come up with a few shit bombs!!!

punter?

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I don't think they'd dare. Be the wrong bloke to pick on I'd say. They'd get hammered and waste begoodles of money. Be a great spectacle though. I wish they would!

I don't think it's imprecise at all. I'd be quite confident that my examples are not even close to "grossly offensive" by legal standards. The case would be laughed out of court.

NZTR may very well decide to take a case against the most obvious poster in Wightman, to test the law. They have certainly signaled their uneasiness or whatever you want to call it with social media.

Swayzee was in his homestate NSW trying to win the Carnival of Cups last season. worth a $Million for 5 wins. He picked up $1/2 million as won 4 of them at Parkes, Young, Tamworth and Penrith , but was defeated by 'Captain Hammerhead' at Albury in the Murray Cup, to deny him the full amount of 1mill. I'm sure the clubs would of all shared the insurance Premium against anyone achieving that huge feat, between them. The Carnival of Cups co-exists with huge shows and Music acts on the same weekend in those towns , when large amounts of people are in town. Aus has mountains of 'Grey Nomads' lol 🤣 I think you're right, that the HRV (Harness racing Victoris) who are struggling Big-time financially, shouldn't be running any Cups bonus at all . Especially in Big races where the winner is getting decent Cheques anyway . ( and is usually Leap To Fame lol 😁💰)

Racing Industry Act 2020 41 Rules must not conflict with any Act or general law (1) A provision of any racing rules that conflicts with any provision of this Act, any other Act, or the general law of New Zealand is invalid. Given the above, I would question whether some of the proposed rule is even valid.

A very imprecise area. There are certain things in the HDCA that are pretty clear cut, but 3. would have to have a precedent such as a case taken before the courts 3.Be grossly offensive to a reasonable person in the position of the affected individual.

If I say that I think Hesi is a stupid prick or that the NZTR board are a bunch of the same, then I'm simply expressing an opinion which I'm entitled to do under the BOR. Whether or not you feel insulted or abused, or an observer thinks you have been, doesn't come into it. Neither the Rules of Racing nor any other Act can over-ride that.

Was thinking that myself. Didn’t Swayzee win a decent portion of that last year or the year before?. Must be a massive premium HRV pay for the insurance on that.

In my view, the "personal attacks" would have to involve the use of "insulting and abusive" words prohibited by the rule but that would have to be at a level that met the standard of being a breach of the BOR.

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