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OK so you've finally come to the conclusion that under the current model most Clubs can't pay their way.

Why? I guess you are Anti-racing.

Yes agree… it never happens, Entain know who is betting too much as most bet on accounts. The Safer Betting nonsense is Entain ticking a box. i would like to see more done, especially for younger punters.

There are requirements on staff to check in with people playing the pokies and ask questions etc at various time frames or if they get cash out a certain number of times, the machines are also required to stop every so often. Can’t say I’ve ever heard of anything like that in relation to the TAB in an agency or pub. I’m not sure on the actual exclusion process for either though.

November is always an important month in Hong Kong racing and this year was no exception, with the city’s two best gallopers Romantic Warrior and Ka Ying Rising making big statements ahead of the Longines Hong Kong International Races (HKIR). The Post analyses the jockeys and trainers who had a month to remember or one to forget, as well as the most outstanding victory and winning ride. Who’s in form? Zac Purton continued his winning ways, matching his October haul with 16 wins at an incredible...View the full article

Total BS…. I know of many punters at the Casino that have been approached regarding their gambling… even i was approached about 10 yrs ago playing Blackjack at the Christchurch Casino, reason being i arrived there at midnight and was still playing at 7am with a few mates, told me to take a break. Funny thing, since Casino first opened, only been there about 6 times, not been there for about 8 yrs. But nobody gets asked at TAB outlets or betting online, your dreaming. Once again your comments show somebody who has no idea about gambling, apart from your little syndicate on Melbourne Cup day at the retirement village. Would like to know, if anybody has ever been contacted by the TAB either at an outlet or online…. I have been punting 42yrs…. A BIG NO from me.

Because RACE didn't have the money to lend it to them?

I doubt Otaki earn that from running their own race days there

Neither does any other club in the country out of race day income. Some like Auckland have sold everything, so have a "bank of money" from selling the bank [hill] so until that runs out they will be ok but for the rest of the country it wont be so easy.......but there again that's why NZTR led by the former ARC Committeeman Russell Warwick want Avondale, Levin and now obviously Trentham, all sold up for their own good. Well they can go and get FUCKED.

What is market rate then? It seems a bit strange to base that in any way on what LRC earns. If I hire that venue for an agreed rate of say $5000 to run an event, it's none of OMRC's business whether that event earns 5k or 20k. That's the nature of hiring. If I go to the local hire company and hire a digger for the day for say $300, they could care less whether I earn $500 or $2000 from operating it for the day. What I can earn from it has no bearing on the market rate for digger hire.You have a weird way of looking at it.

What's your answer Chief to your own question? I know for certain that you will have an opinion, as you always do.

And bloody good back in the day too.

It's not "market rate" it's "mates rates"! If Otaki said no we want more so we can pay our way where does Levin go? For that matter why does Otaki have a loan from Levin?

No it doesn't but it has always been an on pace runner and likes clear air. Billy rode it OK as he as in the past. There was nothing to take a sit behind.

The answer to question 2 is yes. Betting IS monitored. As for 3. It is no different to Pokies where it is up to individual responsibility to restrict themsleves and there are processes to do that. You really are bitching for the sake of it. What ENTAIN have in place os light years ahead of the old TAB.

Why not, has taken a sit behind leader recently and still won, doesnt have to lead.

Goodness me…. you do know i stated that was the case with the safer betting section, but if you click further down to Responsible Gambling, you will be directed to Australian site. I might have to explain my post more simply for you…. 1- You said you can view statement on TAB, thats not a statement its a summary of betting transactions, Aussie operators supply monthly statement of all bets, as well as your win / loss monthly amount, totally different. 2-TAB, anyone ever been contacted about their betting habits? 3- Safer Betting, only options for punters to enforce, its a bloody cop out for Entain at a time they are enticing younger punters.

California-bred Unrivaled Time proved his class in the Cecil B. DeMille Stakes (G3T) Nov. 30 at Del Mar, winning the one-mile race by 3/4 lengths, and surviving a stewards inquiry.View the full article

I think that's about market rate as I said. Otaki are not compelled to take it. What did Otago Jockey Club pay Cromwell the other day or Winton pay Ascot Park earlier?

...and we all wonder why CD racing is in such a mess. Levin run their Jumpouts with the minimum of facilities and ongoing maintenance costs. Otaki on the other hand have considerably more racing infrastructure to maintain and to a higher level. $10k to hire a fully functional event venue and core horse racing infrastructure up to raceday standard is well below cost. The reality is neither Club makes enough money to maintain either venue to a high standard.

I realise you look for anything you can to moan about but some of your comments are not correct regarding the Safer Betting options available on the TAB App. Just click on the hamburger button bottom right titled more and you will see on the next menu a position 4 a tab through to a Safer Betting Menu. There you can find a plethora of options to limit your betting - glad you are worried about it just before Christmas and intend to limit your losses. You can also view you statements.

With the Kentucky Derby still 22 weeks away, the pari-mutuel field of “All Other Foals from the 2023 Foal Crop” closed as the 2-1 favorite in Pool 2 of the Kentucky Derby Future Wager (KDFW) and Spendthrift Farm's unbeaten GI Breeders' Cup Juvenile winner Ted Noffey (Into Mischief) from the barn of two-time Derby winner Todd Pletcher was the 7-1 second choice. Saturday's GII Kentucky Jockey Club winner Further Ado (Gun Runner) also attracted some interest from bettors at 13-1. TOP 10 BETTING CHOICE (with trainer, sire, Pool 2 odds and $2 Win Will Pays) #40 All Other Foals from the 2023 Foal Crop (2-1, $6.08) #37 Ted Noffey (Todd Pletcher, Into Mischief, 7-1, $16.84) #14 Further Ado (Brad Cox, Gun Runner, 13-1, $28.86) #28 Napoleon Solo (Chad Summers, Liam's Map, 21-1, $44.84) #2 Boyd (Bob Baffert, Violence, 22-1, $46.16) #29 Paladin (Chad Brown, Gun Runner, 22-1, $46.90) #3 Brant (Bob Baffert, Gun Runner, 25-1, $52) #17 Incredibolt (Riley Mott, Bolt d'Oro, 28-1, $59.94) #26 Mr. A. P. (Vladimir Cerin, American Pharoah, 29-1, $60.60) #12 Englishman (Cherie DeVaux, Maxfield, 30-1, $62.78) Total handle for the Nov. 27-30 KDFW pool– the second of six scheduled wagering pools in advance of the 152nd running of the Kentucky Derby–was $261,076 ($208,341 in the Win pool and $52,735 in Exactas). This year's early Derby betting menu also included the Kentucky Derby Sire Future Wager, which, for the 11th consecutive year, provided bettors with an opportunity to wager on select sires and their entire crop of juveniles with the hope of winning next year's Kentucky Derby. Into Mischief at 9-2 and Gun Runner at 5-1, the sires of Ted Noffey and Further Ado, respectively, attracted the most attention from bettors as did Not This Time at 7-1. Total betting on the Kentucky Derby Sire Future Wager was $56,359 ($44,496 in the Win pool and $11,863 in the Exactas). The KDFW Pool 2 and Sire Future Wager combined to handle $317,435. Pool 1, which covered Oct. 29-31, had record early November total betting of $184,492 ($143,448 in the Win pool and $41,044 in Exactas), which brings the early Future Wager total betting to $501,927. For complete Kentucky Derby Rules and Future Wager Odds Sheets, click here. The post ‘All Others’ Favored at 2-1 in Kentucky Derby Future Wager Pool 2 appeared first on TDN | Thoroughbred Daily News | Horse Racing News, Results and Video | Thoroughbred Breeding and Auctions. View the full article

Otaki have use of their track and facilities 365 days a year to earn revenue. 10k a day for 3 of those days doesn't sound too bad and from what I know is in line with what is commonly paid. Maybe a bit less for industry days. Why you would expect Levin to pass on more of the revenue they earn from those meetings is beyond me. I'm surprised you don't expect them to pay Otaki their oncourse turnover commission as well.

Del Mar rounded out its 12th Bing Crosby Fall Meet on Sunday with a 9.4% gain in total handle, despite running one fewer day than in 2024 due to a weather-related cancellation. Total wagering for the recently concluded 13-day fall meet rose to $183.4 million compared to $167.6 million for the 14-day 2024 fall season. Average daily handle for the 13 race days was $14.1 million an increase of 17.8% from last year. Field size for the fall season remained steady at 7.77 runners per race versus 7.72 in 2024. For the second year in a row, the highlight of the fall session was the Breeders' Cup World Championships held on Oct. 31 and Nov. 1. (The 2025 handle and field size figures exclude races conducted over the two Breeders' Cup cards.) The 2025 Breeders' Cup–Del Mar's fourth time hosting the World Championships in the past nine years–highlighted domestic and international runners with the handle topping $180 million for only the third time in the history of the event. The nation's premier fall season turf racing was conducted over Del Mar's Jimmy Durante Turf Course and featured the FanDuel Racing Turf Festival–six graded stakes races over the final weekend. “The recent strong business results at Santa Anita, along with those from our own summer and fall meets, show that the public is embracing the single-circuit model to the benefit of California racing stakeholders,” said Del Mar President Josh Rubinstein. “We're grateful for the continued support from owners, trainers, and horseplayers across the country, and we remain focused on finding additional ways to strengthen the economics of racing in California.” Leading jockey honors came down to the final day of the meet, with Umberto Rispoli securing the title with 17 wins. In the race for leading trainer, George Papaprodromou finished atop the standings with 11 victories. The leading owner for the fall season was Juddmonte, concluding the meet with four wins. “The results from Del Mar's fall meet reaffirm that California racing is moving in the right direction,” said Thoroughbred Owners of California Chairman Gary Fenton. “Handle growth, competitive fields, and the success of the Breeders' Cup showcase the value of a unified, single-circuit approach. TOC will continue working with our partners to build on this momentum and deliver a healthier, more sustainable future for our owners and the entire racing ecosystem.” Del Mar will resume racing at its 2026 summer season, scheduled from July 17 through Sept. 7. The post Del Mar Fall Meet Concludes With Increase in Handle appeared first on TDN | Thoroughbred Daily News | Horse Racing News, Results and Video | Thoroughbred Breeding and Auctions. View the full article

One day after her half brother, Salamis, won the Hollywood Derby (G1T), Segesta became a grade 1 winner herself when taking the $302,000 Matriarch Stakes (G1T) at Del Mar Nov. 29.View the full article