Chief Stipe

I haven't EVER said I was NEVER wrong. That's not to say I'll never back up my statements with rational logical argument. Still waiting for @Newmarket and @JJ Flash to post something that does.

So thats good you don't beat yourself up!

Before you bagged them.

That Murchison track didn't last long. But I remember taking horses from Richmond to there. My memory was the track was surrounded by native bush.

I see the beached cannine @Comic Dog the self judged more learned and knowledgeable online commentators have needed to go talk to a horse valuer to challenge my assessment that Damask Rose is probably worth around $1.5m+ (NZD!) as a broodmare at this stage of her career. Valuing any bloodstock is a subjective exercise and only an auction gives the true market value. But having followed the Magic Millions National Broodmare Sale for a number of years I would say my analysis was close to the mark. You only have to look through the sales results to see broodmares sold around the AUD$1.3m mark that have done far less on the racecourse to say that contrary to one persons view if Damask Rose sold for AUD$500k you would be quite disappointed. Some people should really graduate from reading comics and watching cartoons! https://catalogue.magicmillions.com.au/sale/25GWM

Isn't that how any form analysis or ratings are calculated? Isn't racing all about winning and who you beat? Then compared to who they are up against next? I'm sure the irony of what you are saying doesn't escape you when the whole basis of your critique is who DR has raced against and been beaten by!

No horse in a race has no chance.

The other thing I would point out and not wishing to be a smart arse but it is published knowledge that after the KiwiB Damask Rose underwent fetlock chip surgery. So her lead up to OZ racing wasn't that straightforward. In her 2 and 3 yr old seasons she wasn't too far behind the likes of Velocious, Alabama Lass and Captured by Love.

But what have you "seen"? At least @hesi you have given some justification for your opinion. In terms of "improving" being nebulous perhaps I should have said if she gets back to the level she has shown in the past then she will be competitive in races better than Grp 3 in OZ. She is currently rated at 103 which is just a few points below the elite level. When she first raced in OZ her rating was 104. Her first campaign lost her a point. There have been any number of horses that have won a Grp 1 with a lower rating at this stage in her career. Then you rate Evaporate as only a Grp 3 horse?

I don't disagree that she will have to improve. BUT sometimes these fields drop away really quickly. Personally I think they are aiming for something else. Both you and @Newmarket being supreme form analysts will have worked out by now the patterns available to her and the path towards them. Although @Newmarket says she isn't even up to OZ Grp 3 which she obviously is and would send her to Kanagaroo Island or prep her for the Kumara Gold Nuggets.

In your opinion. We don't know yet. There are a number variables that you sitting at home have no idea about nor do I nor does @hesi . Certainly she is up to Grp 3 level as proven in her last two starts. The best you can offer is starting in an R85 at Kangaroo Island. I must remember not to send a horse to any stable you rate.

But you have praised her performances on race outcomes not performance per se.

I sort of gave my opinon on that600 in another Topic. She had a very hard and long 3yr old season. More money and Grp1 opportunities at 1600m to 2200m i.e. middle distance than further. Only so many km's you can race them in a prep.

Personal experience and observation. As for your statistics - where did you drag these ones from?

Well the horse than ran second to her in the KiwiB - Evaporate ran 4th in the Grp 1 Futurity yesterday beaten less than a length. As for her Grp 1 runs in her last campaign. Her second up was her best run. Beaten 2.5 lengths in the Grp 1 Rupert Clarke. There was some very good horses in front of her and behind her. In my opinion she raced well below her best in that campaign. As for "quite frankly dreaming" - well I'd be happy dreaming to win a decent Grp race in OZ with a horse I owned. The trick in OZ is to place your horse and Mark Walker has done pretty well with that over the years. I guess racing is a sport but it just astounds me the level of negativity. No comment on Leica Lucy's run yesterday.