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Haha this is hilarious Magoo... Of course one could obtain 20 years of stats...find the benchmark for each distance/ class....extrapolate that out to find 'fastest az' ...then having to go back to the drawing board when you forgot to compensate horses for 'wide without cover' 'slow out, unlucky' et el ...when those runs could have been its best performance EVER... Magoo you is and Magoo you shall remain.... Until you do what moi does If the experts knew the Thoroughbred Mile rate was the benchmark for performance they'd include that in a sales catalogue... ....Instead they include what I use as the benchmark...BLACK TYPE next

The pressure on her to compete in the Arc will be immense back home... Almond Eye, who smashed the track record when winning the Japan Cup last Sunday, will run in the Dubai Turf or Sheema Classic on World Cup night on March 30. The star filly completed the Japanese fillies' triple crown before her Japan Cup success and is as short as $9 to break her nation's hoodoo in the Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe (2400m) at Longchamp next October. Confirming that Dubai is the next target, trainer Sakae Kunieda said: "She ran well in both the Shuka Sho and the Japan Cup but there aren't any suitable races for her in Japan in the spring. "She came out of the race (Japan Cup) fine but she is a little tired and she'll now have a break." Almond Eye is the $2.90 favourite for the Sheema Classic (2400m) at Meydan but is not quoted for the Dubai Turf (1800m). No horse trained in Japan has won the Arc but El Condor Pasa (1999), Nakayama Festa (2010) and Orfevre (2012) have all finished runner-up. The Arc market is headed by dual winner Enable at $5.

Cheers Freda So this was the horse level, I heard the RIU originally told Kenny it was on the high side..which turned out, as you say, not to be true...5 & 8 ngs Its remarkable they didnt do smear testing on the walls of any boxes!

Some people just can't keep their heads down Im surprised he has the audacity to still show his big noggin at these things after being badly shown up in the David Walker case I guess when you do freebies the poor recipients have to put up with b/s 'lay advocates'... The 'lays' here have to have training...did he get that or is he a gay pretender?

Exactly, as soon as the first swab comes through it should be instant DQ, In the highly unusual event that a swab was contaminated, as in Jelly Williams case....or the B sample is negative..which NEVER happens...give them back the placing... ...These 4 horses were always going to be DQ'd eventually...to have them all running around with fake news ratings is ridiculous...and the rightful recipients of the prize money keep waiting ffs Freda, I heard Kenny was told the level was high...do you know if that's true? If not could you ask Kenny? If correct its more fake news from the RIU...imagine being told that...then finding out it was sfa of f all... Were the two other testing positive re tested via the hair sample...which shows use from 3 months ago...rather than the 48hr urine Why they didn't hair test Cropp more often is anyone's guess Also did these two testing positive not have use of Rae's boxes at times? Cheers

Ffs ftf...block moi and you'll remain Igor rint Unblock moi and you have the key to knowledge and enlightenment f me

THE FASTEST HORSES ON 2.400M Racecourse Race Record Winner Japan Cup Tokyo 2'20''60 Almond Eye Gran Premio Pellegrini San Isidro 2'21''98 Asidero Breeders' Turf Cup Santa Anita 2'22''83 Little Mike Price of the Arc de Triomphe Chantilly 2'23''61 Found Great Premio Brasil The Gavea 2'23''93 The Amico Steve Prize of the Arc de Triomphe ParisLongchamp 2'24''49 Danedream King George VI & Q.E. II Stakes Ascot 2'24''60 Novellist Gran Premio Latin Americano Vina del Mar 2'24''88 Song Sixties Hong Kong Sha Tin Vase 2'25''10 Red Bishop Yorkshire Oaks York 2'25''11 Lush Lashes Grosser Preis from Berlin Berlin 2'25''38 Sternkönig The BMW Rosehill 2'25''78 Grand Zulu Vermeille ParisLongchamp Prize 2'26''00 Zarkava & Pearly Shells Preis von Europa Cologne 2'26''37 Girolamo Saint-Cloud Grand Prix Saint-Cloud 2'26''50 Moon Madness Grosser Preis from Baden Baden-Baden 2'26''74 Pilsudski Grosser Preis from Bayern Bayern 2'26''76 Kamsin Dubai Sheema Classic Meydan 2'26''97 Postponed British Champion Fillies & Mares Ascot 2'27''29 Dancing Rain Coronation Cup Epsom 2'33''31 Bustino Obviously, incomparable. The game of times and records is fun but it has its limits ... The layout of Tokyo has nothing to do with that of Epsom. Moreover, there is a world between the time of Almond Eye in the Japan Cup and the record of the Coronation Cup, held by Bustino: 12''71 if we compare with the chrono "Almond Eye running start" and 11 ''65 compared with the chrono "Almond Eye Franco Raimondi". Obviously, comparing a track like Tokyo's and the roller coaster Epsom makes no sense. We can push the cap a little further reminding that the Coronation Cup is not a race of 2.400m or rather is not a race of 1 miles and 4 furlongs. Indeed, the Coronation Cup runs on 1 mile, 4 furlongs and 6 yards ... Or about 2.420m! So here we are with chronometers to try to have fun comparing our horses, but ultimately unusable. Everything varies so much: flat track, hilly track, uphill start, announced distances of 2.400m but distances in reality of more or less 2.400m ... To this must be added the state of the field of course, but also the composition of the field. What to lose his Latin. As such, the gross chrono is an indication of a performance but, as we well know, there is no sign of a horse clearly superior to others. In this sense, the performance of Almond Eye will be analyzed by the partial times with much more precision by Bruno Barbereau.

So it appears the time was a running start...the real time once the gates opened is different.... Translated from a French site It was 2'20''60 ... or 2'21''36. With the help of Franco Raimondi and Bruno Barbereau, who released their times, we rechronomed the Japan Cup Almond Eye (Lord Kanaloa) to check if it was a running start and know which could be in this case the distance of the run up. By translating: does the chronometer work when the stalls are opened, or does it begin at the beginning of the official distance, with the stalls (running start and run up) moving backwards and, in this case, a more flattering time. At trot, it would be the principle of the departure volte, slower than a departure launched to the autostart ... The clock of Franco Raimondi indicates, by starting it at the opening of the stalls, a time of 2'21''36. Bruno Barbereau, for his part, counted a run up of about 10 meters before the start of the chrono, or 0.7 seconds: this is consistent. But whether it's 2'20''60 or a time closer to our 2'21''36, it's a world record. Stronger than Asidero. It is not easy to navigate the different records on 2,400m grass. The previous record we found is the one won by Asidero (Fadeyev), in 2'21''98. The name of Asidero does not necessarily speak to everyone: he is the winner of Gran Premio Carlos Pellegrini (Gr1) in 1999, in San Isidro. Almond Eye, whether with or without running start, beats it widely and it makes more sense to compare the chronos of Almond Eye and Asidero based on that of running start. In South America, the run-up is about fifty meters. Compared to the other records of great races ... The time achieved by Almond Eye is extra. We wanted to compare it to some of the biggest Grs1 in the world for 3 years and over 2,400m, from Europe to South America via Australia and the United States. Almond Eye is clearly in the lead, followed by Asidero, the previous distance recorder. In the races we have selected, it is the Qatar Prize of the Arc de Triomphe which gets the best ranking for a European race: a particular Arc, since won by Found (Galileo) and ran to Chantilly.

As I thought...your baseless claim of blocking moi is a load of old bollocks You can't get enough of me... Like grasshead...you're obsessed with moi's success and brilliant Punting MASTERCLASSES admit it

Au contrare The hopeless Knats created a legacy of sfa INFRUSTRUCTURE Any f'er can bank a whole heap of cash by not spending on essentials and importing a bunch of rich immigrants to buy the limited housing stock... ...the Oldies got rich overnight...and the YG's were left homeless This Coalition's legacy will be to realign that bunch of tosh... Donkeys leagacy was spending 26M on a flag referendum .... ... Jonesy's Provincial Fund...with a bit of spending for the Racing Industry...is a start to turn that around As for looking after the Island nations...it's our responsibility...it'd be like ignoring our responsibilities to the World by not paying our UN dues...or simply not fronting... NZ is now the easiest place to do business in the WORLD according to Bloomberg.. thanks to Cindy... All we need to do now is turn around our woeful productivity...which was allowed to stagnate under the disgraceful Knats Another term under this Grand Coalition is a cert...suck it up losers

And the Japanese sans have a massive fascination with the Arc Enable and Almond Eye in the next renewal would be something to behold!

You keep on referring to moi Of course I'm going to reply to put you on the straight line with your punting BTW When was your last winner?? Perhaps you're jealous of the PUNTING MASTERCLASS I whipped yous fella's ass's with?

So these Meth cases..the 3 New Plymouth ones...now well known...but only just publically released...not by the RIU though...long story..involving the Vella Fellas neddy...and admitted cross contamination now And the Kenny Rae one with ABSOLUT EXCELLENCIA...now deceased...info released here early on...But hidden by the RIU's ridiculous protocols for months now ...whereby Bloodstock Agents get notified...wtf is that about?....who pillow talk...and the Chinese whispers get all confused ffs Anyway the hidden cases are now out...and it's DQ's all round...as should have happened within the first 2 weeks upon a POSITIVE swab...not just now... So the hopeless RIU tested Kenny and all his workers...pulling their hair follicles out...no wonder Kenny's balding...wtf did they get his bit of hair from? And clean forgot to test the boxes the Rae barn were using at Riccarton The positive was so minute...it should immediately have become apparent it was the result of cross contamination..I.e Some dirty filthy mofo...on P...taking a piss in Kenny's box...yuck... ...the Feds did a mass drug test of Riccarton workers...and pinged two on meth...the dirty f'ers pissing in boxes... All AE did was have a roll in the box....lick his itchy leg...and tests pos to P...that's all it takes ...and now the RIU suddenly get wise...ask around the World...and find other cases of cross contamination... Not thinking such a minute amount would be the result of dirty pisses pissing in boxes... read and weep http://www.jca.org.nz/non-race-day-hearings/non-raceday-inquiry-riu-v-k-l-rae-and-k-williams-reserved-decision-dated-26-november-2018-chair-prof-g-hall

This horse secured 3rd by a nose Bradley broke the whip rule to get it there...11 times without respite The connections of GORBACHEV should feel totally aggrieved Their Jockey followed the rules yet had to sit there and take a rodgering from CLEO. ...laughing his socks off...wtf could take that double jeopardy?? no f'er..and they shouldn't have to

The report makes very poor reading.... The RIU's contention that "we've got a better rule than Arstralia" is just a load of hogwash... Jockeys ride to the letter then over step far too often here...especially in Black Type events If connections had have been allowed to protest the instances of whip abuse would be way less...they simply wouldn't push as many boundaries Trudy Thornton won a G 2 3yo by a nose in February...using exactly the same over head action She should have lost that race in the room Using the available head-on and side-on films, Mr Balcombe identified TOTAL EXCESS in the one-out position as the field turned for home. Mr Bakar was observed to have used his whip 18 consecutive times, without the required respite until the 100 metres. Mr Balcombe described his strikes as forceful and also identified that Mr Bakar’s hand was above shoulder height whilst he delivered the forceful strikes. Mr Bakar identified that he used his whip in the manner that he did as he was unsure whether his horse was responding, and that he had been nervous as he was riding the favourite runner for the Te Akau stable. Mr Harris said that Mr Bakar was clearly riding aggressively and that the incident did not look good. He referred to a similar incident involving Apprentice Chowdhoory at Avondale (4 June 2018). He explained that Mr Bakar had been licensed for some time and that he did know about the five on and five off requirement when using the whip prior to the 100 metres. Mr Walsh concurred that the breach was unfortunate as both Apprentice Mentors had been trying to impress upon jockeys the importance of riding within the Rules, with regard to their whip use. Mr Goodwin submitted that the only redeeming feature of the breach was that this was Mr Bakar’s first breach of the rule. He explained that he had not seen a worse display of riding with the whip for many years. He did not believe the aggressive nature of the strikes was warranted and that an aggravating feature was the fact that Mr Bakar had used the whip with his arm above shoulder height. Mr Goodwin also noted that the horse went on to win the race, and may have gained an unfair advantage as a result. He referred to the precedent case of RIU v Chowdhoory (4 June 2018) in seeking a lengthy period of suspension of not less than 12 days. Mr Bakar asked the Committee to consider that he had been nervous at the time, and he had simply forgotten about things at the time and that he had had 23 rides for nine winners. Mr Walsh described Mr Bakar’s whip use as being “miles over” what was permitted, and agreed that a “decent” suspension was required. Reasons For Penalty: The Committee considered all of the submissions placed before it. It is clear that Mr Bakar used his whip on 18 occasions from the 400 metres until the 100 metres. This is well outside of the guidelines and reflects poorly on industry participants, with regard to animal welfare concerns. We have reviewed the Chowdhoory decision that has been identified by Mr Goodwin and Mr Harris and we agree that there are direct parallels with Mr Bakar’s offending. While Mr Chowdhoory used his whip on 22 occasions over the same distance, we form the view that when the number of strikes are well outside of the Guidelines, any suggested mitigating circumstances with regard to the number of strikes, are neutralised by the significant aggravating feature of the high number of strikes. In such a circumstance, riders must be aware that a period of suspension is inevitable. To simply apply the JCA Penalty Guide Starting Point of a $300 fine for a first offence would be unsatisfactory. While Mr Bakar has admitted the breach, in the face of the film evidence and the extent of the excessive nature of his whip use, that is inevitable. While he may have been nervous and wanted to perform well for connections, the responsibility for using his whip in an acceptable manner rests with him. In addition to the number of strikes, other aggravating features are the aggressive force by which the strikes were delivered, and that the strikes were made whilst Mr Bakar’s arm was above the shoulder. After considering all factors, we consider a period of suspension similar to that imposed in Chowdhoory is appropriate. Accordingly, Apprentice Bakar is suspended for 12 Riding Days.

How good are these Labour Parties?? The distribution of wealth not only happens here....hands on...a Government who actually Governs...wtf knew that's what Governments do?? and the Victorians do the same!! But you'll have to go there to benefit...until Winn reads all of the submissions...real soon https://www.racing.com/news/2018-11-25/news-labor-wins-vic-racing-set-for-40m-boost

Myers is Gold alright..and he loves a good back up horse Getting back to Nigel's close shaves with bi carb though....and his recent 5k fine Ive just checked the 'bi carb testing register regime' And the Feds did the Industry day at Inbredcargill....but forgot to do Counties Cup day Now arksed yaself...wtf is going down with that lot??

Ya gotta love the Arstralians trying to do Maori stuff... Waiheke Island...stomped down the outer at Coffs Harbour Saturday in one of the great recent punting coups 126's into 6! Mind you it only took 50 ew at 126's for the bookies to smell a wabbit...and it tumbled in from there The trainer was kept locked up in the Stipes dungeon for hours afterwards trying to explain the massive form reversal "oh he's a blardy mongrel mate...turns on a sixpence...but I shanked a relly relly good new track rider...best ever...and he's turned him around" yea https://www.punters.com.au/news/monster-plunge-pays-off-for-punters_174869/

Yes so they say...but these Japanese times are constantly fast...and they try to have concrete tracks ...maybe their technology wrt grass management and choice of grass is second to none!

Talking about White What about the run of LUMINOUS having her first start Friday Absolutely stomped home over 1400M...Reliable Man x Keenly 3yo Oaks all over her...and bred by them

Feary...when you say reverse BP...you do realise that race was a G3 BP event don't you? Had a major injury issue...hence the delayed time line But getting back to Punting Education....yesterday was a fine example of the BP....and what many on here are now including in their daily lives...bless them Many winners came from Premier days...with good form from those days...you know SUPERIOR FORM back to INFERIOR CLASS mid weak message e.g. I coupled TAKITLIKEAMAN, CANTSTOPTHEFEELING, CUTADEEL and QUEEN OF DIAMONDS up into a multi...among others... All close up in large Premier fields back to mid weak class Premier day form is Gold....they're all trying..usually in large fields with the xtra problem of wide and/or unlucky runs The best value however was MONEY TRAIL... ...good recent Premier form in R 75....loves the wet...unlucky when held up last time on a dry track...wasn't out of form at all...although the raw form line suggested it was...and very good course stats...3/6 placings on the sandy course... Sure there were 4/5 others with good prem form as well...but that was the absolute value....in an open race

It definitely looked to me as if he panicked when he found himself a length behind and possibly struggling...soon after 10 solid strikes it thought best to change its mind... ....when you say "delivered the desired result" are you agreeing with him breaking the rules to win at any cost? The betting analyst is Basil Payn...021 407 594...give him a ring perhaps and let us know Its hard to imagine any dodgy stuff with TA...it's a big syndicate who would have been all on...they were happy az!

To be fear...she had the absolute perfect run...the only extra ground she covered was pulling out1 M Imagine if she'd had to to 3 wide without cover!! Can you imagine that? No? The time though...does it have anything to do with the no watering policy and the EXTRA hard concrete surface? F me sorry...too many rhetorical questions..apols

Interesting...Tiles did say she liked her "box" It'd still be interesting if they'd have tested her for bi carb though... They don't reveal results in Arstralia for this...they feared some trainers would set a horse to a close limit...and Tiley came within 0.1 of being charged after a VERY random test nearly caught him out... Funnily enough Godber used that very same excuse when it was suggested COBALT results should be posted... ...why then does he allow it for bi carb??...but that's the RIU for you an organisation full of ambiguity

Tough marking Nigel.... ....bi carb her a day clear this time?