Kevin Stott's brutal fine in Telegraph

[Thomass]

Certainly cost NAVIGATOR 2nd when carelessly allowing GRAIL SEEKER to drift in at the 100M

Stott released of 4k from his @15k payday

Under the previous rule would have been relegated behind NAVIGATOR with  the undeserving SACRED SATONO winning...clearly ridiculous 

Fining Stott doesn't help the connections of NAVIGATOR though...losing 50K by a nose after dropping 3/4L back when checked then coming again 

If relegations are allowed when interfering one on one then surely this type of situation requires the connections of the interferee to compensate the horse interfered with?

Dock GS's connections 50K obviously

Taken to it's logical conclusion, look after the punters and promote NAVIGATOR to 2nd as well

It's exactly the same as stewards assessing a one on one relegation 

[Thomass]

So confirmation from NAVAGATOR's jockey that he thought it cost the connections 50K

Imagine being an owner, observing the interference, and being told 'that's racing" and losing 50k through a jockey's interference is ok

At least give them the 4k fine 

 Mr Goodwin maintained that Mr Stott should have straightened sooner than he did. He also said that NAVIGATOR ran third, and Mr Elliot had told Stewards he believed have would have run 2nd, if GRAIL SEEKER hadn’t moved in on him.

[Chief Stipe]

6 minutes ago, Thomass said:

Mr Goodwin maintained that Mr Stott should have straightened sooner than he did. He also said that NAVIGATOR ran third, and Mr Elliot had told Stewards he believed have would have run 2nd, if GRAIL SEEKER hadn’t moved in on him.

What did you expect Elliot to say?  I'm sure McNab would have disagreed. 

 

Yeah Na!  Nothing in it like kissing the sister.

[Thomass]

yes should've posted the vid nasty...thanks for that

Note a head behind at the time forced back to 3/4L then came again to be a nose behind 2nd

Just dock GRAIL SEEKER owners 50K ASAP

[Thomass]

Stotty not a big fan of the suits and their deafness

Like other talented riders who have come to New Zealand, Stott is well acquainted with racing’s judiciary system here, admitting he is not a fan of the way some of our rules are enforced.

 

“Rules are rules and they are different in each country and I realise you have to abide by them.

“But I think here not a lot of emphasis is placed on what the jockeys actually say in the room.”

Stott copped that on Saturday when what looked like a minor careless riding charge when racing clear in the Telegraph cost him $4000 and a seven-day suspension.

“I didn’t think it was worth that,” he says matter-of-factly.

While that means he will miss a Trentham return trip on Saturday, he can ride at the Wellington Cup meeting the week after and, more importantly, the far more lucrative Karaka Millions on January 25."

The owners (agin the rules) should sub him the 4k...especially as the 'new rule ok' should be costing them 50K!!

[Chief Stipe]

13 minutes ago, Thomass said:

Stotty not a big fan of the suits and their deafness

Like other talented riders who have come to New Zealand, Stott is well acquainted with racing’s judiciary system here, admitting he is not a fan of the way some of our rules are enforced.

 

“Rules are rules and they are different in each country and I realise you have to abide by them.

“But I think here not a lot of emphasis is placed on what the jockeys actually say in the room.”

Stott copped that on Saturday when what looked like a minor careless riding charge when racing clear in the Telegraph cost him $4000 and a seven-day suspension.

“I didn’t think it was worth that,” he says matter-of-factly.

While that means he will miss a Trentham return trip on Saturday, he can ride at the Wellington Cup meeting the week after and, more importantly, the far more lucrative Karaka Millions on January 25."

The owners (agin the rules) should sub him the 4k...especially as the 'new rule ok' should be costing them 50K!!

Uh?  So now you are supporting Stott's ride?

[Special Agent]

The punishment was harsh and he looked hard done by to me.

When was the last time a jockey was fined $4K here?

[Wingman]

It was careless riding on a horse that was the winner a long way from the finish line. The old rules would have seen Grail Seeker relegated to 3rd. The jockey got off lightly, the connections of the 3rd horse got hit hard, but I would rather have the current rules. Bottom line, if it were a 30K r65 or 40K r75 nobody would care.  

[Special Agent]

It shouldn't make any difference what the race is.

[Chief Stipe]

7 hours ago, Special Agent said:

It shouldn't make any difference what the race is.

It's written in the rules that there is a difference.

[Thomass]

The Mobil Man exactly the same in the 1st

Fine and 5 days...4th needs to get 3rd place money off the winner

[Thomass]

20 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Uh?  So now you are supporting Stott's ride?

I said STOTTY's NOT a fan of the suits and their deafness

 

[Thomass]

So BRAVE SPIRIT had to be Brave...on the receiving end of an absolute thrashing from Stott yesterday

Fined $350 where his fee was $1900

Over the shoulder pounding on the flank got up by a nose

Should've been relegated for blatant cheating

#cheatsprosper

[curious]

3 hours ago, Thomass said:

So BRAVE SPIRIT had to be Brave...on the receiving end of an absolute thrashing from Stott yesterday

Fined $350 where his fee was $1900

Over the shoulder pounding on the flank got up by a nose

Should've been relegated for blatant cheating

#cheatsprosper

That was definitely not a good look.

[Chief Stipe]

I'm probably like 99.9% of those who watched and didn't notice it until @Thomass posted.  Then again he probably didn't notice either until he saw it in the Stipes report!

[Chief Stipe]

Good Jockey this Kevin Stott.  Hands and heels in the last at Pukekohe just now and lifted the winner over the line!

[curious]

15 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

I'm probably like 99.9% of those who watched and didn't notice it until @Thomass posted.  Then again he probably didn't notice either until he saw it in the Stipes report!

Well I noticed. NZTR won't have. They have the same head in the sand approach that got the greyhounds where they are now. 6 or 7 flagrant breaches. We need relegation for that. If the 99.9% is correct, then most of those who would notice don't watch or participate any longer.

Edited 3 hours ago by curious

[Thomass]

1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

I'm probably like 99.9% of those who watched and didn't notice it until @Thomass posted.  Then again he probably didn't notice either until he saw it in the Stipes report!

Of course i noticed it instantly...any horseman would have!

Putting the boot in a footy player would've have got an instant red card...just like he should'v been DQ'd here

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/horseracing/16209108/meet-jockey-kevin-stott-tottenham-girlfriend/

[Thomass]

And then this

Stott's blog from 2 years ago

 

New whip rules

"There’s obviously been written and said about the new rules surrounding the whip. The changes are certainly going to take time to adjust to but ultimately it seems a good thing for the sport going forward.

We are constantly being watched and the public perception has a big impact on the sport, so to keep racing with the changing times we clearly had to do something and the outcome seems fair for everyone.

I believe the new disqualification rules and the increased penalties for offences are absolutely correct and should help to eliminate any jockeys who may be breaking the rules. Over the next few weeks I will definitely be trying to practice using my backhand position so that by the time the new rules start it should be second nature. You’d imagine plenty of my fellow jockeys will be doing the same.

Finishes should certainly look neater, and it will most definitely be about helping the horse to stay balanced and really using strength to hold them together under hand and heels.

I’m looking forward to the new challenge."

So backhand up there...here a vicious forehand above shoulder thrashing of the flank

I'd be shocked if Shaun Ritchie gave him another ride before he gets booted out of NZ

Shaun Ritchie last time he was on Weigh In

"I believe it's time to get rid of the whip"

Surely he wont tolerate that shocking display of horse abuse, not to mention cheating to win?

[curious]

3 minutes ago, Thomass said:

And then this

Stott's blog from 2 years ago

 

New whip rules

"There’s obviously been written and said about the new rules surrounding the whip. The changes are certainly going to take time to adjust to but ultimately it seems a good thing for the sport going forward.

We are constantly being watched and the public perception has a big impact on the sport, so to keep racing with the changing times we clearly had to do something and the outcome seems fair for everyone.

I believe the new disqualification rules and the increased penalties for offences are absolutely correct and should help to eliminate any jockeys who may be breaking the rules. Over the next few weeks I will definitely be trying to practice using my backhand position so that by the time the new rules start it should be second nature. You’d imagine plenty of my fellow jockeys will be doing the same.

Finishes should certainly look neater, and it will most definitely be about helping the horse to stay balanced and really using strength to hold them together under hand and heels.

I’m looking forward to the new challenge."

So backhand up there...here a vicious forehand above shoulder thrashing of the flank

I'd be shocked if Shaun Ritchie gave him another ride before he gets booted out of NZ

Shaun Ritchie last time he was on Weigh In

"I believe it's time to get rid of the whip"

Surely he wont tolerate that shocking display of horse abuse, not to mention cheating to win?

Instant red card in any other sport for that kind of abuse. Shame he does it here when he knows he can get away with it for a slap on the hand.

Edited 2 hours ago by curious

[Chief Stipe]

35 minutes ago, Thomass said:

Of course i noticed it instantly...any horseman would have!

Bullshit on two counts.  One you didn't notice it instantly and you aren't a horseman.

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, curious said:

Well I noticed. NZTR won't have. They have the same head in the sand approach that got the greyhounds where they are now. 6 or 7 flagrant breaches. We need relegation for that. If the 99.9% is correct, then most of those who would notice don't watch or participate any longer.

Then don't watch or participate @curious go take up Chess and play online with @Thomass !!

 

[Chief Stipe]

Of course @curious on principle you'll never have Chris Johnson ride one of your horses again given his whip rule violations!

[curious]

9 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Of course @curious on principle you'll never have Chris Johnson ride one of your horses again given his whip rule violations!

Did he breach the current whip rules?

[Wingman]

Why did you lock then unlock? Answer because it is like an atheist and a Christian going head to head in a debate. Neither of you are going to win and but at some point you both reluctantly agree on some vague point then start the same shit fight on a different piece of ground. The whips are softer, the rules tougher than they used to be so right there is a concession to the anti whip people but to say there shall be no whip when dealing with animals combined with the competitive element is nonsense. The real issue is the weak administrator's who come up with half baked rules and then quarter enforce. The reality is that most horses that are in contention are obviously so,  once into the straight. Why do you need to whip them in the last 200m when they are trying? My opinion is that if a jockey wants the horse to try harder or press 'accelerate' (if they indeed can ) then the time for that is between the 400m and 200m. After that no whip. That also means a lot less bad press because there are no 'whips a crackin' the last 200m.