Kevin Stott's brutal fine in Telegraph

[Thomass]

16 hours ago, Wingman said:

It is definitely becoming a complex subject that did not need to be so difficult. Basically NZTR have reacted to pressure rather then long ago putting in strong measures. They have instead continually tweaked the rules and in doing so have allowed pressure groups, loud minorities, to get small victories. With each amendment to the whip rules the activists have gradually put the muppets at NZTR on the back foot. Now all they have left is capitulation unless they  (unlikely) have the stomach to stand up and say 'ENOUGH' we run this industry.

The last two hundred  metres is a nightmare to regulate which is why I am a firm believer in letting the jockeys do what they want and then no whipping from that point, excluding tapping on the shoulder with the both hands always on the reins. To not have the ability to use the whip between the 800m to 200m will lose massive numbers of punters. A lot of horses need to be wound up through that part of the race.

Shane Dye referring to Octagonal said it was highly unlikely he would have won the number of G1 races he did , under todays whip rules.

Both of those scenarios aint gunna happen I'm afraid

While they'll ban flank whipping...to some degree...the Jockey's Association headed by Andy Lacy has huge influence and they'll more than likely water it down as much as possible

At least they recognised how ridiculous an outright 10 strikes was and introduced a 'total' of 10 strikes while allowing for a 6/4 split

BTW Spratt continually smacking the flank is vastly different to hands on neck whipping

Dye is also a huge advocate for DQ's

So Matt Cameron's outrageous cheating on LICKETYSPLIT when winning the G 1 Sistema would have been rightly DQ'd

[Thomass]

17 minutes ago, Trojan said:

WTF is Social License?  Do you need one to go to the pub?

Ask Russ when you go tomorrow Chief, he's very approachable 

[Trojan]

23 minutes ago, Thomass said:

Ask Russ when you go tomorrow Chief, he's very approachable 

Who is Russ?  

[Trojan]

26 minutes ago, Thomass said:

BTW Spratt continually smacking the flank is vastly different to hands on neck whipping

She doesn't "continually smack the flank" except in your dreams!!!

For fuck sake is there any top Jockey in NZ you haven't bagged!!

[Thomass]

18 minutes ago, Trojan said:

She doesn't "continually smack the flank" except in your dreams!!!

For fuck sake is there any top Jockey in NZ you haven't bagged!!

Here Chief, this is the prime example you asked for

Spratty when winning on Chris Wood's horse..Woodsy should give the prize money back asap

Just watch the head on...it's all you need Chief

 

[curious]

36 minutes ago, Trojan said:

She doesn't "continually smack the flank" except in your dreams!!!

Put your specs on or get some new ones.

[curious]

1 hour ago, Trojan said:

Never ever give in to the minority single issue obsessed.

The problem you have is that it's not a minority. It's 70-80% of the public - the electorate - based on NZ and Oz research. Ignore it at your peril.

[Trojan]

1 hour ago, curious said:

The problem you have is that it's not a minority. It's 70-80% of the public - the electorate - based on NZ and Oz research. Ignore it at your peril.

So what's wrong with 70 to 80% disagreeing?

So 20 to 30% of people like racing?  

That's sustainable.

 

 

[curious]

8 minutes ago, Trojan said:

So what's wrong with 70 to 80% disagreeing?

So 20 to 30% of people like racing?  

That's sustainable.

 

 

Unfortunately, the 70-80% opposed to whip use as it is, include a lot of people who like and are engaged in racing. I'm certain that's not sustainable.

Edited 1 hour ago by curious

[Trojan]

20 minutes ago, curious said:

Unfortunately, the 70-80% opposed to whip use as it is, include a lot of people who like and are engaged in racing. I'm certain that's not sustainable.

Uh?  Your post is incomprehensible!