Thomass Posted 16 hours ago Author Share Posted 16 hours ago 16 hours ago, Wingman said: It is definitely becoming a complex subject that did not need to be so difficult. Basically NZTR have reacted to pressure rather then long ago putting in strong measures. They have instead continually tweaked the rules and in doing so have allowed pressure groups, loud minorities, to get small victories. With each amendment to the whip rules the activists have gradually put the muppets at NZTR on the back foot. Now all they have left is capitulation unless they (unlikely) have the stomach to stand up and say 'ENOUGH' we run this industry. The last two hundred metres is a nightmare to regulate which is why I am a firm believer in letting the jockeys do what they want and then no whipping from that point, excluding tapping on the shoulder with the both hands always on the reins. To not have the ability to use the whip between the 800m to 200m will lose massive numbers of punters. A lot of horses need to be wound up through that part of the race. Shane Dye referring to Octagonal said it was highly unlikely he would have won the number of G1 races he did , under todays whip rules. Both of those scenarios aint gunna happen I'm afraid While they'll ban flank whipping...to some degree...the Jockey's Association headed by Andy Lacy has huge influence and they'll more than likely water it down as much as possible At least they recognised how ridiculous an outright 10 strikes was and introduced a 'total' of 10 strikes while allowing for a 6/4 split BTW Spratt continually smacking the flank is vastly different to hands on neck whipping Dye is also a huge advocate for DQ's So Matt Cameron's outrageous cheating on LICKETYSPLIT when winning the G 1 Sistema would have been rightly DQ'd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted 16 hours ago Author Share Posted 16 hours ago 17 minutes ago, Trojan said: WTF is Social License? Do you need one to go to the pub? Ask Russ when you go tomorrow Chief, he's very approachable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan Posted 15 hours ago Share Posted 15 hours ago 23 minutes ago, Thomass said: Ask Russ when you go tomorrow Chief, he's very approachable Who is Russ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan Posted 15 hours ago Share Posted 15 hours ago 26 minutes ago, Thomass said: BTW Spratt continually smacking the flank is vastly different to hands on neck whipping She doesn't "continually smack the flank" except in your dreams!!! For fuck sake is there any top Jockey in NZ you haven't bagged!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted 15 hours ago Author Share Posted 15 hours ago 18 minutes ago, Trojan said: She doesn't "continually smack the flank" except in your dreams!!! For fuck sake is there any top Jockey in NZ you haven't bagged!! Here Chief, this is the prime example you asked for Spratty when winning on Chris Wood's horse..Woodsy should give the prize money back asap Just watch the head on...it's all you need Chief Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted 15 hours ago Share Posted 15 hours ago 36 minutes ago, Trojan said: She doesn't "continually smack the flank" except in your dreams!!! Put your specs on or get some new ones. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted 15 hours ago Share Posted 15 hours ago 1 hour ago, Trojan said: Never ever give in to the minority single issue obsessed. The problem you have is that it's not a minority. It's 70-80% of the public - the electorate - based on NZ and Oz research. Ignore it at your peril. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan Posted 13 hours ago Share Posted 13 hours ago 1 hour ago, curious said: The problem you have is that it's not a minority. It's 70-80% of the public - the electorate - based on NZ and Oz research. Ignore it at your peril. So what's wrong with 70 to 80% disagreeing? So 20 to 30% of people like racing? That's sustainable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted 13 hours ago Share Posted 13 hours ago (edited) 8 minutes ago, Trojan said: So what's wrong with 70 to 80% disagreeing? So 20 to 30% of people like racing? That's sustainable. Unfortunately, the 70-80% opposed to whip use as it is, include a lot of people who like and are engaged in racing. I'm certain that's not sustainable. Edited 13 hours ago by curious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan Posted 13 hours ago Share Posted 13 hours ago 20 minutes ago, curious said: Unfortunately, the 70-80% opposed to whip use as it is, include a lot of people who like and are engaged in racing. I'm certain that's not sustainable. Uh? Your post is incomprehensible! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted 7 hours ago Share Posted 7 hours ago 5 hours ago, Trojan said: Uh? Your post is incomprehensible! What's incomprehensible about it? 70% are opposed to whip use. Many of those are racing participants. Talk about turning a blind eye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted 7 hours ago Share Posted 7 hours ago (edited) 8 hours ago, Trojan said: She doesn't "continually smack the flank" except in your dreams!!! For fuck sake is there any top Jockey in NZ you haven't bagged!! I think it's hard to say for sure without clear vision from the inside but it sure looks like multiple backhanders down the flank to me. Edited 7 hours ago by curious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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