Thomass Posted Friday at 01:27 AM Author Share Posted Friday at 01:27 AM 16 hours ago, Wingman said: It is definitely becoming a complex subject that did not need to be so difficult. Basically NZTR have reacted to pressure rather then long ago putting in strong measures. They have instead continually tweaked the rules and in doing so have allowed pressure groups, loud minorities, to get small victories. With each amendment to the whip rules the activists have gradually put the muppets at NZTR on the back foot. Now all they have left is capitulation unless they (unlikely) have the stomach to stand up and say 'ENOUGH' we run this industry. The last two hundred metres is a nightmare to regulate which is why I am a firm believer in letting the jockeys do what they want and then no whipping from that point, excluding tapping on the shoulder with the both hands always on the reins. To not have the ability to use the whip between the 800m to 200m will lose massive numbers of punters. A lot of horses need to be wound up through that part of the race. Shane Dye referring to Octagonal said it was highly unlikely he would have won the number of G1 races he did , under todays whip rules. Both of those scenarios aint gunna happen I'm afraid While they'll ban flank whipping...to some degree...the Jockey's Association headed by Andy Lacy has huge influence and they'll more than likely water it down as much as possible At least they recognised how ridiculous an outright 10 strikes was and introduced a 'total' of 10 strikes while allowing for a 6/4 split BTW Spratt continually smacking the flank is vastly different to hands on neck whipping Dye is also a huge advocate for DQ's So Matt Cameron's outrageous cheating on LICKETYSPLIT when winning the G 1 Sistema would have been rightly DQ'd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted Friday at 01:29 AM Author Share Posted Friday at 01:29 AM 17 minutes ago, Trojan said: WTF is Social License? Do you need one to go to the pub? Ask Russ when you go tomorrow Chief, he's very approachable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan Posted Friday at 01:53 AM Share Posted Friday at 01:53 AM 23 minutes ago, Thomass said: Ask Russ when you go tomorrow Chief, he's very approachable Who is Russ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan Posted Friday at 01:55 AM Share Posted Friday at 01:55 AM 26 minutes ago, Thomass said: BTW Spratt continually smacking the flank is vastly different to hands on neck whipping She doesn't "continually smack the flank" except in your dreams!!! For fuck sake is there any top Jockey in NZ you haven't bagged!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted Friday at 02:16 AM Author Share Posted Friday at 02:16 AM 18 minutes ago, Trojan said: She doesn't "continually smack the flank" except in your dreams!!! For fuck sake is there any top Jockey in NZ you haven't bagged!! Here Chief, this is the prime example you asked for Spratty when winning on Chris Wood's horse..Woodsy should give the prize money back asap Just watch the head on...it's all you need Chief Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted Friday at 02:32 AM Share Posted Friday at 02:32 AM 36 minutes ago, Trojan said: She doesn't "continually smack the flank" except in your dreams!!! Put your specs on or get some new ones. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted Friday at 02:35 AM Share Posted Friday at 02:35 AM 1 hour ago, Trojan said: Never ever give in to the minority single issue obsessed. The problem you have is that it's not a minority. It's 70-80% of the public - the electorate - based on NZ and Oz research. Ignore it at your peril. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan Posted Friday at 03:53 AM Share Posted Friday at 03:53 AM 1 hour ago, curious said: The problem you have is that it's not a minority. It's 70-80% of the public - the electorate - based on NZ and Oz research. Ignore it at your peril. So what's wrong with 70 to 80% disagreeing? So 20 to 30% of people like racing? That's sustainable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted Friday at 04:01 AM Share Posted Friday at 04:01 AM (edited) 8 minutes ago, Trojan said: So what's wrong with 70 to 80% disagreeing? So 20 to 30% of people like racing? That's sustainable. Unfortunately, the 70-80% opposed to whip use as it is, include a lot of people who like and are engaged in racing. I'm certain that's not sustainable. Edited Friday at 04:01 AM by curious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan Posted Friday at 04:22 AM Share Posted Friday at 04:22 AM 20 minutes ago, curious said: Unfortunately, the 70-80% opposed to whip use as it is, include a lot of people who like and are engaged in racing. I'm certain that's not sustainable. Uh? Your post is incomprehensible! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted Friday at 09:58 AM Share Posted Friday at 09:58 AM 5 hours ago, Trojan said: Uh? Your post is incomprehensible! What's incomprehensible about it? 70% are opposed to whip use. Many of those are racing participants. Talk about turning a blind eye. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted Friday at 10:01 AM Share Posted Friday at 10:01 AM (edited) 8 hours ago, Trojan said: She doesn't "continually smack the flank" except in your dreams!!! For fuck sake is there any top Jockey in NZ you haven't bagged!! I think it's hard to say for sure without clear vision from the inside but it sure looks like multiple backhanders down the flank to me. Edited Friday at 10:01 AM by curious 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted Friday at 08:35 PM Author Share Posted Friday at 08:35 PM Chief and his bro Trog wiil take note there's no round arm action going on...which is what happens when the ass gets wacked Spratty motion is flat up and down on the highly sensitive flank I'd say a 'half strike' on the flank = a full ass strike She's constantly reminding her mount what she's there for I counted @30 continuous strikes from the 300M mark Blatant cheating rubber stamped by RIB/NZTR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan Posted Friday at 09:04 PM Share Posted Friday at 09:04 PM 11 hours ago, curious said: What's incomprehensible about it? 70% are opposed to whip use. Many of those are racing participants. Talk about turning a blind eye. Rubbish. Why have the survey in the first place? Social license is crap. 30% of the population is enough to sustain racing. If you don't like it then take up another sport like darts. Since you are already part of the 70% it will mean no difference to those who still like the sport warts and all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted Friday at 09:30 PM Share Posted Friday at 09:30 PM 23 minutes ago, Trojan said: Rubbish. Why have the survey in the first place? Social license is crap. Isn't that what the greyhounds thought or acted as if? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted 10 hours ago Share Posted 10 hours ago 23 hours ago, Trojan said: Rubbish. Why have the survey in the first place? Social license is crap. I suggest you read the peer reviewed published studies yourself if you want to understand that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted 6 hours ago Author Share Posted 6 hours ago On 25/01/2025 at 10:04 AM, Trojan said: Rubbish. Why have the survey in the first place? Social license is crap. 30% of the population is enough to sustain racing. If you don't like it then take up another sport like darts. Since you are already part of the 70% it will mean no difference to those who still like the sport warts and all. When Generation Alpha finds out NZTR have funded 3 or is it 4 Crematoriums to dispose of unwanted horses There will be hell to pay Just how many are being re-homed? NZTR are clueless when it comes to these 'stats' and have failed to reasonably activate this part of the 'social license' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan Posted 5 hours ago Share Posted 5 hours ago 9 minutes ago, Thomass said: When Generation Alpha finds out NZTR have funded 3 or is it 4 Crematoriums to dispose of unwanted horses There will be hell to pay Just how many are being re-homed? NZTR are clueless when it comes to these 'stats' and have failed to reasonably activate this part of the 'social license' Agree with you. Why create a rod for you own back and give ammo to bring your down. They're either bloodstock, livestock or deadstock. That's life. They're not pets What a waste of industry money building crematoriums so mostly absent owners can sit round and say prayers. A farce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted 5 hours ago Author Share Posted 5 hours ago 2 minutes ago, Trojan said: Agree with you. Why create a rod for you own back and give ammo to bring your down. They're either bloodstock, livestock or deadstock. That's life. They're not pets What a waste of industry money building crematoriums so mostly absent owners can sit round and say prayers. A farce. And you're as equally CLULESS Chief You'd do well in Trump's brand new US of A.. HEARTLESS, COMPASSIONLESS, INHUMAN Wealthy billionaires running the country with a heart as cold as an AI ice burg Horse's treated like money making commodities, next stop the glue factory Thank God you're living in the past in AOTEAROA then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan Posted 5 hours ago Share Posted 5 hours ago 1 minute ago, Thomass said: And you're as equally CLULESS Chief You'd do well in Trump's brand new US of A.. HEARTLESS, COMPASSIONLESS, INHUMAN Wealthy billionaires running the country with a heart as cold as an AI ice burg Horse's treated like money making commodities, next stop the glue factory Thank God you're living in the past in AOTEAROA then How many are you looking after from the cradle to the grave? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan Posted 5 hours ago Share Posted 5 hours ago 20 minutes ago, Thomass said: And you're as equally CLULESS Chief You'd do well in Trump's brand new US of A.. HEARTLESS, COMPASSIONLESS, INHUMAN There's only one Chief around here so I'm told. Trump is a breath of fresh air. Hopefully your home country takes note and the save the UK before it is too late. 22 minutes ago, Thomass said: Horse's treated like money making commodities, next stop the glue factory Well if they are not worth breeding from isn't that what you do with any livestock? Or are you eating mung beans now? How many horses that you have had an interest in have you looked after for 30 years? If you don't like what makes the industry tick then leave it. I can't imagine how you make a living out of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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