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All handicapping should be merit based, not formula based.

The single race model of handicapping isn't one I have any faith in. I prefer a model of rating all the horses relative to each other, not relative to the horses they just raced against.

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53 minutes ago, mardigras said:

All handicapping should be merit based, not formula based.

The single race model of handicapping isn't one I have any faith in. I prefer a model of rating all the horses relative to each other, not relative to the horses they just raced against.

Geez Mardi that will involve knowledge, skill and WORK!

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3 hours ago, mardigras said:

All handicapping should be merit based, not formula based.

The single race model of handicapping isn't one I have any faith in. I prefer a model of rating all the horses relative to each other, not relative to the horses they just raced against.

So prey tell iron stain

Htf would you do that?

Fastest horses get rated immediately into WFA class...without going through the grades....

fair dinkum...email Dom and tell hm your thoughts on Handicapping...bet he'll be relly interested 

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1 hour ago, Thomass said:

So prey tell iron stain

Htf would you do that?

Fastest horses get rated immediately into WFA class...without going through the grades....

fair dinkum...email Dom and tell hm your thoughts on Handicapping...bet he'll be relly interested 

Fair dinkum - under your system an R85 horse turns up in an Open race on a "Premier Day"  in the North Island and wins.  The average rating for the Open is R92 and R88 runs second but the horse gets hammered in terms of Rating Points.  Should have raced in the South Island (easier win apparently) in an Open that has an average of R98 on a non "Premier Day" and got less points - supposedly!

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Picture this..

...seeing as you can't read

Far f in Lap blitzes his first maiden race and runs faster time than the WFA performers

He doesn't get to run 'through the classes' but goes straight to the top class and top of the Handicap

Thats "merit based" and idiots like grass and the wee C want it

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1 hour ago, Thomass said:

Picture this..

...seeing as you can't read

Far f in Lap blitzes his first maiden race and runs faster time than the WFA performers

He doesn't get to run 'through the classes' but goes straight to the top class and top of the Handicap

Thats "merit based" and idiots like grass and the wee C want it

next

That's the whole point of a handicapping system isn't it? To equalise chance and not to gift good horses a few easy wins in non-competitive and unattractive betting races on the way through. If Far Lap is that good and doesn't like his re-handicap, he can go straight to WFA races. We are trying to increase wagering revenue here, not reduce it.

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42 minutes ago, curious said:

That's the whole point of a handicapping system isn't it? To equalise chance and not to gift good horses a few easy wins in non-competitive and unattractive betting races on the way through. If Far Lap is that good and doesn't like his re-handicap, he can go straight to WFA races. We are trying to increase wagering revenue here, not reduce it.

Little wonder racing here is the way it is. 

A decent handicapper can assess merit, and that is what they should do. Otherwise just get a basic computer if that's all you need.

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1 hour ago, curious said:

That's the whole point of a handicapping system isn't it? To equalise chance and not to gift good horses a few easy wins in non-competitive and unattractive betting races on the way through. If Far Lap is that good and doesn't like his re-handicap, he can go straight to WFA races. We are trying to increase wagering revenue here, not reduce it.

Very few neddys can emulate Far fin Lap....

If they happen to insert a sterling Far Lap like performance one day....

...and can't replicate that...they'll be stuck in high class for ages before they can get back....

Besides Trainers/Owners will go ballistic if you do as suggested

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8 minutes ago, Thomass said:

Very few neddys can emulate Far fin Lap....

If they happen to insert a sterling Far Lap like performance one day....

...and can't replicate that...they'll be stuck in high class for ages before they can get back....

Besides Trainers/Owners will go ballistic if you do as suggested

No they wouldn't. Where has it been stated that a handicapper would use solely time as their assessment of merit. 

 

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12 minutes ago, mardigras said:

Well, if it meets the performance, it deserves the rating. Simple.

Absolutely, and if subsequent performances make that look like a one off and a competent handicapper is assessing on merit then why would they be stuck in high class for ages? That's mad.

And why would trainers/owners go ballistic? I thought they were the ones wanting higher stakes and for that they need races generating more revenue. That's the whole point of a handicap system. Otherwise just run all races at SW and see how many horses are going round a year later.

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It's such a waste of horse flesh as well....

Average maidens....constantly at Set Weights...against the likes of Blue Bloods

300k yearlings...with all of that royal blood...certainly doesn't guarantee success

...but let's face it....it goes a long way

5 start Maidens races should do it....Its the BHA system of giving a neddy a 'handicap' rating....by that time a handicapper gets an idea of capability....

30% set weights...the rest Handicap should be the go

Then you'd have far more horses getting through the grades earlier...than struggling for many starts...when they come up against a weak maiden...without the Blue bloods

 Besides....think of the punting aspect of more Handicap racing

...which is what it's all about

 

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We mirror NSW's Handicapping...after NZTR employed their x

The problem here is understaffing...they're still knocking points off neddys who're starting fresh, over unsuitable distances while caught wide...

...all reasons stated in the guide as "there will be no rating points lost"

Theres a definite loss of "revenue" that could be generated by having maiden Handicaps..that's for sure

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