Thomass Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 If Weiry is indeed researching the Pavlov Dog method...to see if it really works... And BO is the main use of 'activating' the psychological 'go fast'...and not Nod's Vicks vapour rub a dub... Maybe our resident Statsman can dig out the Pavlov figures to observe Weiry's 'go to' gear change...without jiggerry pokerry on race day?? Should be easy to observe his stats.. thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 4, 2019 Author Share Posted February 4, 2019 Come on mardi gras let's do this....it'll be fun Try the majors first...Winkers/Blinkers tongue ties, nose bands, ear covers pre race and during, barrier blankets... That should cover it for a start...allow 2/3 starts since the gear change... Then sit back and see what happens.. Maybe Fred's Vicks Vapor rub is the key...then we'd be f'ed Just do it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 4, 2019 Author Share Posted February 4, 2019 Maybe instead of requiring notification of Hyparbaric Chamber treatment... we should have been requiring Trainers to take lie detector tests every 6 months "Are you Dazza Weiry?" "Yup" Pass The trouble with Arsetralians though...is their inherent capacity to avoid telling the truth due to the fact it's in their DNA... ...and they'd fly through a test...f them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 7, 2019 Author Share Posted February 7, 2019 Perhaps it was John Allen throwing the Reins at the neck that was the go button? That makes more sense... Jigger to the neck..the horse feels activity around that area as the Jock starts to press the 'jigger activator'...and bingo instant acceleration Cant wait to see the 60 Seconds or a Currrnt Affair show that will offer thousands to Weir who'll start weeping...then become a blubbering mess ...to get public sympathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 4 in a row, your best tipping yet, the first four - you finished yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 7, 2019 Author Share Posted February 7, 2019 The question you've got to ask yourself...and your stimulations Is how past performances have been affected by the jiggering... ...and how long will the Pavlov's Dog sustain that performance? Go on tell the masses... Youve already run the Weir neddys through the 'Blinkers Pavlov' haven't you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 In answer to your question, it's impossible to say as it's all speculation. And even if it were occurring, you don't know on which horses that might be the case. However in saying that, given the population based statistics around horses with blinkers on first time, his win rate and ROI for those horses is well outside the 'norm'. For the years 2013 through mid 2017, his blinkers on first time winners were very successful and returned a positive ROI on TOTE prices. Something he managed to achieve with more horses meeting that criteria than any other trainer. Yet from an ROI performance, his other horses returned 80 cents in the dollar. I am not a behavioural scientist, but I refer to blinkers first time because as a layman, I felt benefits of such an approach would be greatest first time (since in that race, the horse will not actually experience the associated condition) And of course, his stats if taken out of the overall stats, make blinkers on first time look even worse 'from the population'. Who knew? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 7, 2019 Author Share Posted February 7, 2019 Interesting... So one could easily conclude that Blinkers are quite possibly the activator?? Forgetting prices..if they were purely doing it for the punt and not the prize money then Fixed Odds would be the go rather than tote... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 (edited) Fixed odds would be better, and betfair +30%. It's not conclusive. But they should be able to analyse betting on the events. Edited February 7, 2019 by mardigras Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 7, 2019 Author Share Posted February 7, 2019 You should write them...they may be blissfully unaware There could be a spate of copycat stuff after this too.. Particularly small time trainers with a daughter or son in tow.. Weiry was too stupid doing what he did with all of those staff pillow talking as well.. It had to get out sooner or later...and as Freedman said..."the worst kept secret" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaltedMilkshake Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 13 hours ago, mardigras said: Fixed odds would be better, and betfair +30%. It's not conclusive. But they should be able to analyse betting on the events. IF....they (Victorian Stewards) have the will. That issue could also be part of the Police investigation...but as jockeys are still to be interviewed....(nothing advised publicly at the mo’), I’d say there are wheels in motion behind the scenes.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted October 23, 2019 Author Share Posted October 23, 2019 So as suspected, BLINKERS were part of the 'pavlov's dog' psychology behind torturing these horses into performing... PRINCE OF PENZANCE was one who had Blinkers applied the start before the Cup as well... ...and 'whistling' was part of the 'training' ...was Payne told to whistle him to victory...because she barely touched him with the whip...is John Allen a good whistler? These grubs need LIFE TIME BANS...just change the Rules of Racing... ...then go find another hobby boys Poly pipe and electric shock devices - known as "jiggers" - were allegedly among the implements used on Red Cardinal and Yogi at Warrnambool between October 24 and Cup Day on November 6 last year. Poly pipe can be used to simulate the sound and effect of a whip. Weir, McLean and Kermond each face multiple counts of committing an act of animal cruelty, and "torturing, abusing, overworking and terrifying" Red Cardinal, Yogi and Tosen Basil on October 30 last year, when the horses were allegedly shocked with a jigger while running on a treadmill, wearing blinkers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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