Thomass Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Let's start again because this is a serious topic... We certainly don't need to 'mark' these weaners anymore...destroying their natural look for the benefit of Breeders advertising... A quick wave of the chip wand, a quick look at discernible markings perhaps...takes no longer than checking every brand as they do now... ...and forget about neck branding...that's probably uglier.... Surely we don't need this eyesore? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Is there anything else you want to take an alarmist viewpoint of and add fuel to the animal activists ignorant rants? 3 minutes ago, Thomass said: We certainly don't need to 'mark' these weaners anymore...destroying their natural look for the benefit of Breeders advertising... It has nothing to do with advertising. I doubt you would find anyone who knew every brand least of all anyone outside of the stud industry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted November 25, 2019 Author Share Posted November 25, 2019 Of course being a 'horseman' you'd know certain horses have very thin skins... Ive held weanlings while a 'new' vet has pressed the brand on too long with the smell of cooking flesh wafting through the air... Call that "alarmist" if you want but it's now totally NEEDLESS... Imagine a new law being instigated where your pet chew wa wa, Wusstle, had to be branded? Thered be an uproar and you'd be hiding wee Wusstle in your room I'm betting... And let me tell you about Studs and 'their precious brand'...they simply love it being displayed... BTW this has been a big talking point in Australia in the last few weeks... Im kindly getting you updated on a rapidly moving 'animal kindness' 'thang' ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 The biggest issue with your posts that pisses people off is they are always negative and fail in terms of humour. There are alternatives to freeze branding but you post negatively and in an alarmist fashion. See the next post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Columbus, OH - Beginning with the harness racing foal crop of 2019, the primary means of USTA horse identification will be the microchip. "Microchipping provides a more safe, efficient and reliable way to identify horses," said USTA Director of Registry T.C. Lane. "The microchipping process is less stressful for the horse than freeze branding or a lip tattoo. In addition to its identification capability, the Merck microchips also can read the horse's body temperature quickly in a non-invasive fashion, which is a great benefit in monitoring the horse's health." To watch a video explanation and demonstration of the microchipping process hosted by the USTA's Wendy Ross with Midland Acres' doctors John Mossbarger and Bob Schwartz, click here. Not all horses will need to be microchipped immediately, but by 2021, all horses that race in the United States at all USTA member tracks (including county fairs) will be required to be identified with a microchip. All USTA ID Technicians are trained to implant microchips and will also continue to collect a DNA sample from each horse to send to the approved laboratory. All horses that have been previously freeze branded by the USTA will be required to be microchipped by a USTA ID Technician. Horse owners have the option to microchip stallions as well as broodmares. For foals of 2019, the microchipping fee is incorporated into the registration. All others with an existing freeze brand (racehorses, broodmares, stallions, etc.) can be implanted for a fee of $35 per head. The USTA has agreed to allow those that choose to continue to freeze brand the foals of 2019 to do so. That $75 fee must be prepaid to the USTA in addition to the normal registration fee and there are no discounts for multiple horses at any location with this arrangement. All USTA extended pari-mutuel racetracks will be equipped with readers to identify horses and county fair officials that will be responsible for identifying horses will be required to have them as well. As a USTA Member Benefit through our partnership with Merck Animal Health/HomeAgain, Bio thermal Scanners are available at the discounted, introductory rate of $279 for a BlueTooth model and $69 for the smaller standard unit. Industry participants (tracks/individual members/associations) can purchase a universal scanner for their own purposes at a reduced rate via our supplier by contacting the USTA at 1.877.800.8782 or by ordering via myaccount.ustrotting.com. In addition, Merck has agreed to partner with the USTA, for free, a lifetime subscription to their HomeAgain rescue services, which is a proactive network of veterinarians, rescue facilities and volunteers who are immediately notified in an attempt to help locate lost animals. The program maintains owner contact information that proactively prompts owners to update it during the annual membership renewal process and through other member communications. This is an added benefit for horses that are in need of rescue or connected via the USTA's Full Circle program. There are multiple reasons why microchips are a superior means of identification including: • Microchips in general offer a faster/more efficient and less stressful means of identification and require less time to implant than freeze branding or lip tattooing, providing greater convenience for farm visits. • Can measure a temperature in only a few seconds compared to rectal reading that might take several minutes. • Is a safe, unobtrusive way to uniquely identify individual horses. • Provides a less stressful way to alert owners of health problems through temperature sensing (EHV-1), which makes preventive care easier. • Allows for monitoring temperature during and after surgery or procedure, where minimal disturbance is desired. • Alerts owner to possible sub-clinical indications of potential infectious diseases. • Ideal for both young and pregnant stock. Improved technology has eliminated the concerns about the microchip moving after implantation. With Merck’s patented Bio-Bond® process, the microchips are encased in an insert micro-capsule made of bio-compatible material. The process enables the animal's tissue to permanently anchor the microchip at the desired anatomical site. HomeAgain/Destron Fearing microchips stay where they should for the health of the animals and for reading convenience. Any registration or identification question can be addressed by contacting the USTA Member Services team at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 Adding some more information to the debate. Microchips have some downsides: they can migrate in the body, they have a life of 20 years which may not be enough for horses and they or the systems upstream of them can be hacked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted November 26, 2019 Author Share Posted November 26, 2019 54 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: The biggest issue with your posts that pisses people off is they are always negative and fail in terms of humour. There are alternatives to freeze branding but you post negatively and in an alarmist fashion. See the next post. And yours are much loved.. and I find yours VERY humorous let me tell ya... FFS...I said "we have the tech now"....including chips... Do you ACTUALLY read what I say? Alarmist...pfffft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 9 minutes ago, Thomass said: And yours are much loved.. and I find yours VERY humorous let me tell ya... FFS...I said "we have the tech now"....including chips... Do you ACTUALLY read what I say? Alarmist...pfffft The point is you highlight the negatives and exaggerate about the effects of freeze branding. You didn't make a positive argument for microchipping! Freeze branding is a damn sight more advanced than hot branding. If done correctly causes little harm to the horse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted November 26, 2019 Author Share Posted November 26, 2019 Mate it's called a DEBATE... The premises of a debate are the other propositions that are either assumed or accepted to whence we come to a conclusion after both sides of the propositions are aired ...which I did So you want to keep the needless status quo...entailing pain, unsightlyness and free advertising... ..at the expense of BEAUTY? Have you no appreciation of BEAUTY? Ill send you a pik if you like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 23 minutes ago, Thomass said: Mate it's called a DEBATE... The premises of a debate are the other propositions that are either assumed or accepted to whence we come to a conclusion after both sides of the propositions are aired ...which I did So you want to keep the needless status quo...entailing pain, unsightlyness and free advertising... ..at the expense of BEAUTY? Have you no appreciation of BEAUTY? Ill send you a pik if you like? It's nothing to do with beauty it's about ensuring INTEGRITY. You rabbit on about that all the time. It's ensuring we don't have anymore Fine Cottons. I don't see a freeze brand distracting from the beauty of the thoroughbred. In my lifetime I haven't seen a thoroughbred or standardbred without one. Except when they were foals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 Actually I did race a horse that had not been branded -bought at a RTR sale , trialled and off to the races. Strangely no one had noticed! [me especially ] Conference wrote telling me to get him branded but officials in the area told me not to as fire branding an older horse was extremely painful and that 'conference' would eventually forget matters. That is what happened and he raced on. We breeders have had to pay for both chipping and branding for years now -the situation is stupid. Can chips be removed and inserted in another horse ? probably. And there goes the integrity guaranteed by branding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted November 26, 2019 Author Share Posted November 26, 2019 15 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: It's nothing to do with beauty it's about ensuring INTEGRITY. You rabbit on about that all the time. It's ensuring we don't have anymore Fine Cottons. I don't see a freeze brand distracting from the beauty of the thoroughbred. In my lifetime I haven't seen a thoroughbred or standardbred without one. Except when they were foals. Apart from the Yanks, the Poms, Irish, Frogs...yea Australasia know what's best in defacing a beautiful animal... Seriously though...you should get out more....NEVER seen anything other than an Australasian neddy uh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted November 26, 2019 Author Share Posted November 26, 2019 14 hours ago, Fred said: Actually I did race a horse that had not been branded -bought at a RTR sale , trialled and off to the races. Strangely no one had noticed! [me especially ] Conference wrote telling me to get him branded but officials in the area told me not to as fire branding an older horse was extremely painful and that 'conference' would eventually forget matters. That is what happened and he raced on. We breeders have had to pay for both chipping and branding for years now -the situation is stupid. Can chips be removed and inserted in another horse ? probably. And there goes the integrity guaranteed by branding. Bet it was faster without the wind resistance to! So how have the rest of the Thoroughbred World got by without it young Fred? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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