Thomass Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 Great idea...long service of 20 years or more and the reward is....wait for it.... A f in PLAQUE...I've got Plaque on the teeth...and I'm trying to get the Princess to lick the sheet off... ....haven't these AMATUERS got any idea about finding a SPONSOR ffs?? Even a f in Hundy..or a meal out at some sheet overpriced Viaduct cess pit?? Not even a bottle of piss to get plastered... Seriously...it's once a month not every week!! ..clueless http://www.nzracing.co.nz/News/24782/Service-award-launched.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poisoned Dwarf Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 If anyone wants to nonimate Thomass for his unrewarded, voluntary racing journalism, this bloke. Details of Thomass' service fees ? ----- Nominations, with details of the nominee’s service, should be sent to tim.barton@nzracing.co.nz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 Have you noticed Thomas never posts on a sat or sun? Either, he works flipping burgers on weekends, or he returns to his straight jacket on these days? Where else could he be? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 I think he's too busy trying to work out the pen readings on Saturdays and recovering from the effort on Sundays. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted June 10, 2018 Author Share Posted June 10, 2018 (edited) On 8/06/2018 at 7:40 PM, Poisoned Dwarf said: If anyone wants to nonimate Thomass for his unrewarded, voluntary racing journalism, this bloke. Details of Thomass' service fees ? ----- Nominations, with details of the nominee’s service, should be sent to tim.barton@nzracing.co.nz. Settle boys and girls... The first award should go to the long suffering Kiwi punter...who keep stakeholders racing for ribbons... Theyre now being treated as 24/7 Patho Punters too.. ...wall to wall stuff and never a post race Thoroughbred interview to be seen... ..let alone a review show...which the other two dreadful codes are still receiving... WTF is that about? Edited June 10, 2018 by Thomass 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 3 hours ago, Thomass said: Settle boys and girls... The first award should go to the long suffering Kiwi punter...who keep stakeholders racing for ribbons... Theyre now being treated as 24/7 Patho Punters too.. ...wall to wall stuff and never a post race Thoroughbred interview to be seen... ..let alone a review show...which the other two dreadful codes are still receiving... WTF is that about? Maybe because from a more global perspective, they rate higher than NZ gallops relatively speaking. You got one thing right, the only likely interest in NZ racing from overseas is from those patho punters you refer to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted June 11, 2018 Author Share Posted June 11, 2018 Globally, pokies rate higher than anything... ...but that doesn't make it right.... The Thoroughbred horse deserves the very best opportunity to display the sport in the best possible light to encourage widespread growth... ...pre and post race interviews...review shows....social media et el Not off to the next Dipton Dog race ASAP and "just get on patho punter" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 Dogs and harness deserve the same opportunity if not more given their relative standing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted June 12, 2018 Author Share Posted June 12, 2018 Actually Messara's dead right..as said here before Each code should be allowed to stand on their own two feet Thoroughbreds haven't been able to do that.. Messara's report will obviously poo poo the idea of a tri code shambles... ...Imagine League, Aussie Rules and Rugby working together...na unimaginable Thoroughbreds will be able to regain traction then...about time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 15 minutes ago, Thomass said: Actually Messara's dead right..as said here before Each code should be allowed to stand on their own two feet Thoroughbreds haven't been able to do that.. Messara's report will obviously poo poo the idea of a tri code shambles... ...Imagine League, Aussie Rules and Rugby working together...na unimaginable Thoroughbreds will be able to regain traction then...about time I agree, thoroughbreds haven't been able to do that. They have instead been propped up by the likes of greyhounds, pokies and sports betting. If the option is to provide each independence, that will certainly work in the doggies favour. They run a low cost broadcast model with high relative interest. NZ gallops is a high cost broadcast model with limited relative interest. Imagine when the doggies decide to run greyhound meetings on Saturday afternoons. The pathos you refer to might just give up on the gallops and switch onto the greyhounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted June 13, 2018 Author Share Posted June 13, 2018 They'll be on the patho's channel... Thoroughbreds will be interviewing local connections, human interest stories, review shows...you know...what we used to do... ..that's how you grow a sport...not constant fixes for pathos with a running reel across the bottom of the screen urging you to get on at f in Dipton... As for the 'plark' award Tony Astle of Antoines Restaurant...David Ellis's very good friend...would gladly provide sponsorship for this award... So long as the winners don't complain about the offal on the menu...whereupon he'll throw you out... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Thomass said: They'll be on the patho's channel... Thoroughbreds will be interviewing local connections, human interest stories, review shows...you know...what we used to do... ..that's how you grow a sport...not constant fixes for pathos with a running reel across the bottom of the screen urging you to get on at f in Dipton... As for the 'plark' award Tony Astle of Antoines Restaurant...David Ellis's very good friend...would gladly provide sponsorship for this award... So long as the winners don't complain about the offal on the menu...whereupon he'll throw you out... I don't think there will be a gallops channel and a pathos channel. If gallops get their own channel, so to should greyhounds. And then they will be interviewing local connections, having human interest stories, review shows, running racing on Saturdays. The case is the same. Gallops have no greater right to their own channel than any of the codes. I am all for complete independence for all the codes. Split them up. Allow them to operate their own betting operations if necessary. That includes sporting bodies. Return the revenue from the individual code to itself, none of this cross sharing of expenses. Remove any cross revenue (such as offshore racing and sports and pokies). Let each of them stand on their own feet. If they are to have one broadcast operation, charge the codes for the airtime like a commercial operation. And any other shared services could work the same way. On a proper commercial basis where you pay for what you get from that service. Like having multiple presenters for a gallops meeting, gallops should pay for that etc. It is what should have happened years ago. Easiest way to achieve that is to sell/privatise the betting operation with an agreement between the government and that operation regarding industry funding aspects. That operation can delineate the costs and revenue by NZ code/sporting body and pay to the industry on a basis of you get a share of what you earn (net). Simple. Edited June 13, 2018 by mardigras Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted June 13, 2018 Author Share Posted June 13, 2018 How absurd... Youre talking about the aesthetically pleasing noble Thoroughbred industry...including the breeding thereof.... ..with the blink and you miss it pokie like Hounds...raced in a few countries...with NZ's leading trainer baiting live rabbits... Dont worry yourself anymore...Messara has been instructed to sort out the Thoroughbred Industry first and foremost... ...obviously he's not going to worry about the Hounds and Harness as much due to plain fact that Thoroughbreds are a far larger more important industry...doh Idiots like Cleo can't see this though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 The breeding industry is not anything to do with NZRB. The racing industry is. And the racing industry is not large. It is minute in NZ. So NZ gallops racing is not a far larger more important industry. It is what it is and sadly, that is now next to nothing of value. You can thank NZRB and NZTR for that happening at the rate it has though. Well done them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted June 13, 2018 Author Share Posted June 13, 2018 The Racing and breeding industry are intrinsically linked... ...without breeding you have no Racing Industry..how ignorant are you? The Racing Industry...including breeding...is bigger than the Fishing Industry It keeps satellite City's alive and is the hub of societal attachment...which being an 'accountant' your're unable to quantify You had your chance when the NZRB supposedly invited you to change its direction.. You whimped out... Just sit back and enjoy the Messiah's work...you were but a tickle on the undersole of the NZRB... ...and they're still giggling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 (edited) Tell that to the people selling yearlings at Karaka. And maybe you should inform HKJC that they have no racing industry. Edited June 13, 2018 by mardigras Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 3 hours ago, Thomass said: The Racing and breeding industry are intrinsically linked... I agree, but as you state above, they are distinct industries, and as mardigras states, the NZRB obligation is to the racing ones of all codes, not the breeding ones. Conflating the two in the size and scope figures being cited is mischievous at best and irrelevant to arguments for support for the racing industry. I know the DIA and other key politicians are aware of this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 14 minutes ago, curious said: I agree, but as you state above, they are distinct industries, and as mardigras states, the NZRB obligation is to the racing ones of all codes, not the breeding ones. Conflating the two in the size and scope figures being cited is mischievous at best and irrelevant to arguments for support for the racing industry. I know the DIA and other key politicians are aware of this. I expect understood by most, but that doesn't stop them persisting with the notion that thoroughbreds are deserving in the way Thomass seems to suggest. A bit of a last ditch effort to make them seem like they are of greater substance as they watch the industry self implode, in the hope someone is naive enough to believe them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horseboy Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 23 hours ago, mardigras said: I don't think there will be a gallops channel and a pathos channel. If gallops get their own channel, so to should greyhounds. And then they will be interviewing local connections, having human interest stories, review shows, running racing on Saturdays. The case is the same. Gallops have no greater right to their own channel than any of the codes. I am all for complete independence for all the codes. Split them up. Allow them to operate their own betting operations if necessary. That includes sporting bodies. Return the revenue from the individual code to itself, none of this cross sharing of expenses. Remove any cross revenue (such as offshore racing and sports and pokies). Let each of them stand on their own feet. If they are to have one broadcast operation, charge the codes for the airtime like a commercial operation. And any other shared services could work the same way. On a proper commercial basis where you pay for what you get from that service. Like having multiple presenters for a gallops meeting, gallops should pay for that etc. It is what should have happened years ago. Easiest way to achieve that is to sell/privatise the betting operation with an agreement between the government and that operation regarding industry funding aspects. That operation can delineate the costs and revenue by NZ code/sporting body and pay to the industry on a basis of you get a share of what you earn (net). Simple. Wouldn't the broadcast of Australian TB racing fall under the umbrella of NZTR under this separate model? Similar to how the rugby codes would negotiate with other jurisdictions for tri-nations etc. NZTR would handle the broadcast of International TB racing into NZ. It makes sense since the amount of NZ trainers and horses that operate or raid across the tasman. If this is the case your claim that dogs are subsidising NZ gallops would be way out, Australian TB racing would be one of the biggest racing products in NZ and if owned by TB would be subsidising the other codes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horseboy Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 not that the whole argument about who is subsidising who really matters, it's just the in-fighting promoted by politicians and the status quo as they prefer to wrap the three codes into a neat bundle so their jobs are easier. The fact is all codes would be better off under a model where the NZRB is stripped back to its essential services and the codes have greater control. The amount of money that has been wasted within the NZRB walls over the past decade would be eye watering - and what have we got to show for it? fuck all infrastructure investment, barebones stakes, an out of date betting platform, basic APP and a broadcast platform that is light years behind international standards. Where has all the money gone? But just wait we keep getting told by accountant , followed by banker followed by bureaucrat, I can fix it, just give me 50 million and another 2 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, Horseboy said: Wouldn't the broadcast of Australian TB racing fall under the umbrella of NZTR under this separate model? Similar to how the rugby codes would negotiate with other jurisdictions for tri-nations etc. NZTR would handle the broadcast of International TB racing into NZ. It makes sense since the amount of NZ trainers and horses that operate or raid across the tasman. What right does NZ gallops have to revenue generated via offshore gallops. They are not the same thing. I don't think NZ rugby has any enforceable rights to income generated from betting on the currie cup. So to answer your question, under the separate model I referred to, Australian TB racing would fall under the umbrella of offshore racing and form part of government revenue. Or if there was to be a new betting operator approved by the government, the licence fees to allow operation on those events would be payable to the NZ government. And that operator might well be expected to pay fees to the organisation responsible for putting on that event. i.e. the Australian racing jurisdiction. as is the case now. When a NZ horse travels to Australia, none of the money bet on it in Australia through Australian betting operators is paid to NZ Racing. They are a distinct industry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horseboy Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 Just now, mardigras said: What right does NZ gallops have to revenue generated via offshore gallops. They are not the same thing. I don't think NZ rugby has any enforceable rights to income generated from betting on the currie cup. So to answer your question, under the separate model I referred to, Australian TB racing would fall under the umbrella of offshore racing and form part of government revenue. Or if there was to be a new betting operator approved by the government, the licence fees to allow operation on those events would be payable to the NZ government. And that operator might well be expected to pay fees to the organisation responsible for putting on that event. i.e. the Australian racing jurisdiction. as is the case now. When a NZ horse travels to Australia, none of the money bet on it in Australia through Australian betting operators is paid to NZ Racing. They are a distinct industry. Not maintaining a betting monopoly would be a bad financial move for a country of our size and scope. Hong Kong controls everything that comes in and out because that is the best way. The best model is code independence (with multiple functions currently handled by NZRB handed back to the codes) with the codes still owning the TAB but outsourcing the betting infrastructure. Surely if you were a business and were given the opportunity to 1. monopolise your income streams 2. have complete oversight over the product 3. outsource infrastructure where possible.. you would grab it with both hands? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 Just now, Horseboy said: not that the whole argument about who is subsidising who really matters, it's just the in-fighting promoted by politicians and the status quo as they prefer to wrap the three codes into a neat bundle so their jobs are easier. The fact is all codes would be better off under a model where the NZRB is stripped back to its essential services and the codes have greater control. It matters when you get people believing NZ gallops has a greater right to things and that the likes of Messara get asked to provide recommendations primarily targeted at gallops. It also matters when no matter what they do with NZRB, all of the codes are still only going to be able to exist due to the largesse of the government. Since none of the codes (except perhaps the greyhounds) are able to earn any actual net revenue themselves. An environment that has come about due to the policies of NZRB with support from the codes themselves. They sold themselves down the river, and now they aren't happy with the sale price. If you own a restaurant that was struggling to make any money, perhaps you should get a handout from the government as well. The government could open up a pie selling business selling Australian pies and give the proceeds to the struggling NZ restaurants. Sound like a good idea? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Horseboy said: Not maintaining a betting monopoly would be a bad financial move for a country of our size and scope. Hong Kong controls everything that comes in and out because that is the best way. The best model is code independence (with multiple functions currently handled by NZRB handed back to the codes) with the codes still owning the TAB but outsourcing the betting infrastructure. Surely if you were a business and were given the opportunity to 1. monopolise your income streams 2. have complete oversight over the product 3. outsource infrastructure where possible.. you would grab it with both hands? The problem with that is that the codes don't own the TAB. The government does. And I disagree, retaining the TAB as a monopoly betting provider is negative thinking. Provides no betting stimuli for potential punter participation as they cannot be all things to all punters. Hence why some bet elsewhere and with that, bet on alternatives to NZ racing since the market parameters are more appealing to do so. Edited June 14, 2018 by mardigras Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horseboy Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 Then the codes are trustees, call it what you like but the govt has obligations to the racing codes. The TAB isn't a monopoly provider, they just have the only right to operate stores and advertise in NZ. It would still make sense to have all betting handled through a single provider, this may mean that in the future the NZ TAB would be given the ability to issue licences to off shore bookies to promote and advertise within NZ under certain guidelines, but it is still better for NZ to maintain a centralised control and authority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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