Dirty Cheating Bob Baffert gets 2 years DONT COME MONDAY

[Chief Stipe]

3 minutes ago, Thomass said:

When you take your Englaise as a 2nd lingo option wee c....

This is from the OFFICIAL report into Baffo the Drug Lover's DEATH rap sheet 7 years ago...it's even got your P values

Enjoy

“Using all sudden deaths for Baffert (8 deaths, 2512 starts) there is an incidence of 3.18 deaths per 1,000 race starts (95% CI 1.37- 6.28). For comparison, all sudden deaths for non-Baffert trained horses (70 deaths, 199,637starts) have an incidence of 0.35 deaths/1,000 race starts (95% CI 0.27-0.44). Baffert-trained horses have a 9.08 (95% CI 4.37, 18.88; p<0.001) times greater incidence of sudden death during racing or training than horses not trained by Baffert. Examining the 7 sudden deaths over 24 months of FY 11-12 & FY 12-13, the results are even more dramatic.”

“Looking only at racing sudden deaths for Baffert (2 deaths, 2512 starts) there is an incidence of 0.80 deaths/1,000 race starts (95% CI 0.10-2.88). Racing sudden deaths for non-Baffert horses (21 deaths, 199,637 starts) has an incidence of 0.11 deaths/1,000 race starts (95% CI 0.07-0.16). Baffert trained horses that experienced sudden death during a race have a 7.57 (95% CI 1.77-32.28; p=0.006) times greater incidence of sudden death than horses not trained by Baffert.”

Ok you posted that but you obviously don't understand the detail as it doesn't support your argument. 

I guess you are hand feeding ponies grass now that you are out of the Thoroughbred Racing industry?

[curious]

I didn't know we were discussing that review. I thought I commented on the erroneous use and conclusions of the WP article and the data they used.

Unfortunately (for you Thommo) the now 8 year old review you are referring to reported:

"No prohibited substances were detected" in the 7 cases and concluded:

"There is no evidence whatsoever CHRB rules or regulations have been violated or any illicit activity played a part in the 7 sudden deaths"

Good attempt to change the subject again though.

Edited June 24, 2021 by curious

[curious]

To add to my comment about the WP story though I note that the 74 deaths referred to  include deaths from illnesses in addition to breakdowns.

[Thomass]

Of course you'd want to obfuscate the topic with your usual nonsense 

Being a Baffy the Drug Lover lover you'd have taken absolutely zero notice of the drugs that were coursing through these dead horses veins methinks?

 

There was, as expected, myriad routine prescription medications and supplements dispensed by veterinarians in the Baffert barn

 Clenbuterol, Adequan, Methocarbamol, Lasix, Phenylbutazone, Adjunct Bleeder medications

....however the single most bewildering medication that stands out is Baffert’s persistent use of Thyro-L (levothyroxine), a medication to treat hypothyroidism, in all of his horses. Repeat, all of his horses.

Wow who knew thoroughbreds had so much trouble with their thyROIDS?

High level radiation in Buffy's pants maybe?

 

 

[Chief Stipe]

31 minutes ago, Thomass said:

 Clenbuterol, Adequan, Methocarbamol, Lasix, Phenylbutazone, Adjunct Bleeder medications

Found in all elite stables.  Of course you highlight to alarm.  Do you really care about horses or not?

Clenbuterol - Used to treat asthma in horses and bronchial conditions.  Approved by the FDA for use on horses.  Banned for human athletes.  Easily detected in tested.  Actually all these substances are.

Adequan - this is a pretty benign substance and is a mucopolysaccharides.  Many humans take a similar product Glucosamine.  You can buy that from any supermarket.  Adequan is a bit more sophisticated, is approved for equine use and is used to treat joint degeneration and arthritis.  Been approved since 1989.  Shark cartilage is a polysaccharide and can be bought off the shelf at the supermarket.  We used to give Green Lipped Muscle extract to our horses as a preventative against joint and muscle damage.  That was in the early 80's!

Methocarbamol - used to treat muscle spasms and pain.  Approved for use in humans.  Trade name - Robaxin.

Lasix - Furosemide - been approved for out of competition use in horses for decades.  Some states in the USA allow it for racing.  Used to prevent EIPH (Exercise Induced Pulmonary Haemorrhage).

Phenylbutazone - the infamous BUTE!  A non-steroidal anti-inflammatory - used to treat lameness, muscle soreness, joint pain and laminitis.  Probably the most used and misused chemical in nearly EVERY stable!

NONE of these substances are undetectable.

31 minutes ago, Thomass said:

Thyro-L (levothyroxine), a medication to treat hypothyroidism, in all of his horses. Repeat, all of his horses.

Nearly EVERY horse trainer in the USA has been putting Thyroxine in their horses feed since the 70's!  

It is not illegal!  But it probably doesn't do anything either!!!  Again you can't hang Baffert on this one.  If you do then there wouldn't be many trainers left in the USA!

It has been used to get weight off horses that are proving hard to do via training by raising their metabolism.  Not a PED.  Some rumours around being associated with Cobalt use but the Feds are all over Cobalt aren't they!  But research indicates that its use is counterproductive to increasing performance.

https://www.horsetalk.co.nz/2019/03/20/danger-thyroid-supplement-fit-horses/

Also used to prevent laminitis. http://www.lloydinc.com/products/30/thyro-l/

https://www.paulickreport.com/news/ray-s-paddock/everything-old-is-new-again-examining-thyroxine/

I made some phone calls to trainers. I think it's used almost as a nutritional supplement, which I don't particularly agree with. I don't use it that way,” said Blea. “If thyroid regulates metabolism, and you have a 1,200-pound Thoroughbred who's in race training, he's going to have an increased metabolism.”

That metabolism becomes even higher with the addition of thyroxine, which runs $24 or less per month depending on the size of the dose prescribed.

“As an athlete, as your metabolism increases, your fitness, muscle mass, strength, definition, and proportions also increase … Unfortunately, that's not how it should be used.”

 

[Thomass]

Ok we well and truely get it

You LOVE DRUGS in Thoroughbreds!

A constant stream of 'therapeutics' on tap...aside from race day(except Baffy) then back on them again

Antiflams, bute, 'vitamins', and hidden PED's all masked with Lasix

Joy o joy....soon they'll be growing horns and we can enjoy Unicorn racing 

pftttt

Edited June 25, 2021 by Thomass

[Chief Stipe]

37 minutes ago, Thomass said:

Ok we well and truely get it

You LOVE DRUGS in Thoroughbreds!

A constant stream of 'therapeutics' on tap...aside from race day(except Baffy) then back on them again

 

Thomarse where do you get the royal "we" from?  I doubt you speak for anyone other than yourself.

No I don't "LOVE DRUGS" in Thoroughbreds but I'm not a luddite as you appear to be.  The Thoroughbred is an elite high performance athlete and deserves every advantage that modern science can give to ensure its health and welfare.  Especially to avoid the inherent risks of EIPH and wear and tear of legs that occur through racing.

To do anything else is quite frankly animal abuse and neglect.

[Thomass]

I can feel the veracity of your 'argument' slowly draining away after each time I've spanked you

As I said, many of us know there's NO NEED to have Thoroughbreds on CONSTANT 'therapeutics'...

...trainers doing so are the real ANIMAL ABUSERS 

As you'd know Hong Kong BANS Lasix at ALL times....they're doing just fine

Have a look at this HK study by a previous 'medication must' trainer...who turned

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/112873/study-eiph-does-not-shorten-racing-careers

[Chief Stipe]

32 minutes ago, Thomass said:

As I said, many of us know there's NO NEED to have Thoroughbreds on CONSTANT 'therapeutics'...

Who said they are being used constantly?

Was Baffert using them constantly?  The fact is you don't know.

Just because they are in the stable medicine cabinet doesn't mean they are being used constantly.

Bit like your Viagra for your Plastic Princess.

[Chief Stipe]

35 minutes ago, Thomass said:

As you'd know Hong Kong BANS Lasix at ALL times....they're doing just fine

Have a look at this HK study by a previous 'medication must' trainer...who turned

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/112873/study-eiph-does-not-shorten-racing-careers

So they are only importing German bred horses?

Regardless you are selectively quoting one of the findings.  Why not elucidate on the others?

Also the study only looks at the Hong Kong population.  Where is the comparative study with for example the Australian racing population?  Perhaps someone like Waller has less retirements due to EIPH than Hong Kong.

 

[curious]

I take it you still haven't completed your remedial reading classes Thommo.

The study also concluded that horses diagnosed with higher grades of EIPH are more likely to register higher grades of EIPH in the future. Not surprisingly, horses who experience epistaxis are more likely to be retired for EIPH-related conditions than other EIPH-positive horses.

Edited June 25, 2021 by curious

[curious]

"horses who did experience epistaxis stayed in training for 699 days. That was shorter than horses who experienced lower grades of EIPH. The low-level EIPH-positive group stayed in training an average of 842 days from import to Hong Kong until retirement"

[curious]

The plot thickens......

JUDGE GRANTS JOCKEY CLUB REQUEST IN NYRA, BAFFERT SUITBy Eric Mitchellt @BH_EMitchell

A New York district court judge granted The Jockey Club permission June 23 to file an amicus brief in support of the New York Racing Association as part of an ongoing lawsuit between the racing association and trainer Bob Baffert.Judge Carol Bagley Amon granted the request and order the brief must be filed no later than June 30 or it would not be considered, according to documents filed with the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of New York.The Hall of Fame trainer sued NYRA June 14 to block a temporary suspension from him being granted stalls or entering horses at Belmont Park, Saratoga Race Course, and Aqueduct Racetrack. NYRA took its action eight days after it was revealed that Zedan Racing Stables' Medina Spirit, winner of this year's Kentucky Derby Presented by Woodford Reserve (G1) and trained by Baffert, tested positive for the corticosteroid betamethasone, which is not permitted at any level on race day. A split sample later confirmed the medication was in the horse's blood on race day.The Jockey Club requested permission to file the amicus brief to "provide the court with a unique perspective and information to assist in deciding the pending motion for preliminary injunction," stated a court filing from attorney Susan Phillips Read.Because The Jockey Club advocated for passage of the Horseracing Integrity and Safety Act of 2020, which would create uniform medication and safety standards nationwide, Read argued the registry has a special interest in "sharing its perspective regarding the deleterious effects of improper drug use on the health of horses, the Thoroughbred racing industry, and public trust in the honesty of competition."NYRA's attorney did consent to The Jockey Club's request, while Baffert's counsel did not. BH

[Chief Stipe]

8 hours ago, curious said:

The Jockey Club requested permission to file the amicus brief to "provide the court with a unique perspective and information to assist in deciding the pending motion for preliminary injunction," stated a court filing from attorney Susan Phillips Read.

The plot may thickent but what would their "unique perspective" be?  Or is that legalese?

8 hours ago, curious said:

The Jockey Club advocated for passage of the Horseracing Integrity and Safety Act of 2020, which would create uniform medication and safety standards nationwide, Read argued the registry has a special interest in "sharing its perspective regarding the deleterious effects of improper drug use on the health of horses, the Thoroughbred racing industry, and public trust in the honesty of competition.

I have no problem with the creation of "uniform medication and safety standards nationwide" as long as it addresses the issue of environmental contamination and threshold levels relative to therapeutic and performance effects.  It is incongruous that you can allow the legal use of betamethasone (funny how all the journalists always use the worst sounding description for a drug) out of competition but get banned for 21 picograms/ml on raceday!!

[curious]

1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

I have no problem with the creation of "uniform medication and safety standards nationwide" as long as it addresses the issue of environmental contamination and threshold levels relative to therapeutic and performance effects.  It is incongruous that you can allow the legal use of betamethasone (funny how all the journalists always use the worst sounding description for a drug) out of competition but get banned for 21 picograms/ml on raceday!!

Well the Act says free from the influence, not free from the presence, so I'd hope that will be the case when it is effected.

(b) Considerations in development of program.—In developing the horseracing anti-doping and medication control program, the Authority shall take into consideration the following:

(1) Covered horses should compete only when they are free from the influence of medications, other foreign substances, and methods that affect their performance.

[curious]

And it's also designed to allow for appropriate therapeutic medication within 48 hours of racing.

Edited June 25, 2021 by curious

[Thomass]

On 25/06/2021 at 11:16 AM, Chief Stipe said:

 

Nearly EVERY horse trainer in the USA has been putting Thyroxine in their horses feed since the 70's!  

It is not illegal!  But it probably doesn't do anything either!!!  Again you can't hang Baffert on this one.  If you do then there wouldn't be many trainers left in the USA!

It has been used to get weight off horses that are proving hard to do via training by raising their metabolism.  Not a PED.  Some rumours around being associated with Cobalt use but the Feds are all over Cobalt aren't they!  But research indicates that its use is counterproductive to increasing performance.

https://www.horsetalk.co.nz/2019/03/20/danger-thyroid-supplement-fit-horses/

Also used to prevent laminitis. http://www.lloydinc.com/products/30/thyro-l/

 

Pfttttt

If you're going to bring 'research' to the table can you preface it with INMVHO please?

Very humble indeed....ney GROSSLY IGNORANT

"Probably doesn't do anything either"

Silly question I know...then wtf give them drugs??

This from a few months ago 

Despite an advisory designed to eliminate stable-wide usage of thyroxine that has been in effect since the California Horse Racing Board (CHRB) investigated seven sudden deaths of horses trained by Bob Baffert in 2013 and found that all of them had been administered that drug “more as a supplement than a medication,” the use of thyroxine in Southern California remains astoundingly high.

In introducing a new rule proposal on Thursday to curb thyroxine use “to the point that it really will not be used any longer within CHRB facilities,” CHRB equine medical director Rick Arthur, DVM, revealed that between January and the first week of October this year, “veterinarians reporting to the official veterinarians on just the Southern California Thoroughbred circuit and their auxiliary training centers have reported 256 prescriptions for thyroxine between January 2020 and the first week of October.”

Arthur added that there have been 31 additional thyroxine prescriptions logged since that report was compiled a month ago, then tacked on this stunner: “Over half of the prescriptions are for just two trainers, and 80% of the thyroxine has been prescribed by just three veterinarians.”

Arthur also explained how “the New York Gaming Commission has already required a similar restriction at New York tracks [and] The Stronach Group has imposed similar restrictions at their Maryland and Florida tracks as a matter of policy.”

The CHRB proposal, which advanced to the 45-day public commentary period after a 7-0 vote, largely mirrors policies the above-mentioned jurisdictions have crafted.

According to the CHRB's information packet for the thyroxine agenda item, “the adoption of Rule 1866.4 would require a TRH-response test to be performed be a Board-licensed veterinarian, a positive hypothyroidism test be obtained, and the positive result indicating hypothyroidism be submitted to the official veterinarian or equine medical director for review and approval of a thyroxine prescription.

“Following approval of the prescription, the thyroxine prescription cannot exceed 90 calendar days without further re-authorization from the official veterinarian or equine medical director, and a horse administered thyroxine is ineligible to start in a race for 30 calendar days of last administration.”

Back in 2013, the CHRB's compilation of Sudden Death Reports stated that although “the blanket prescribing of thyroxine to all horses in Baffert's barn does appear unusual” the cluster of seven sudden deaths of horses “remains unexplained [and] there is no evidence whatsoever CHRB rules or regulations have been violated or any illicit activity played a part.”

The investigation of those deaths did, however, led to the CHRB's 2014 advisory that is still in effect requiring a specific diagnosis and other prescribing, reporting and labeling restrictions for thyroxine and any other thyroid hormones or analogs.

“This proposed regulation addresses an issue that's frustrated me for almost the whole time I've been equine medical director,” Arthur said.

 

[Thomass]

On 26/06/2021 at 11:37 AM, curious said:

Well the Act says free from the influence, not free from the presence, so I'd hope that will be the case when it is effected.

(b) Considerations in development of program.—In developing the horseracing anti-doping and medication control program, the Authority shall take into consideration the following:

(1) Covered horses should compete only when they are free from the influence of medications, other foreign substances, and methods that affect their performance.

So you think the 'Act' is going down the semantics root?

Yea na

[Chief Stipe]

15 minutes ago, Thomass said:

Back in 2013, the CHRB's compilation of Sudden Death Reports stated that although “the blanket prescribing of thyroxine to all horses in Baffert's barn does appear unusual” the cluster of seven sudden deaths of horses “remains unexplained [and] there is no evidence whatsoever CHRB rules or regulations have been violated or any illicit activity played a part.”

 

@Thomass you missed highlighting a bit.