Thomass Posted August 15, 2018 Author Posted August 15, 2018 How about " open da f in eyes" hyperbole? Compared to Italy..or IRE... pound for pound? OI was born in GER...we claim the same...they're raised on NZ pasture and all countries deserve the credit if they've done the same.. Quote
Chief Stipe Posted August 15, 2018 Posted August 15, 2018 2 hours ago, Thomass said: How about " open da f in eyes" hyperbole? Compared to Italy..or IRE... pound for pound? OI was born in GER...we claim the same...they're raised on NZ pasture and all countries deserve the credit if they've done the same.. So it's the pasture now not the actual breeding? Not years of selective breeding minus the breeders? Quote
Thomass Posted August 16, 2018 Author Posted August 16, 2018 (edited) Pasture obviously has a huge influence... But to avoid those nasty bleeders which weakens the breed... It's best we cull them...and follow the astonishing success of the Germans... ...surely...we could possibly get back to our staying niche again by following the strict German regime... ...a bit of Omphe Pa band cum lederhosen breeding...sans bleeding Edited August 16, 2018 by Thomass Quote
Chief Stipe Posted August 16, 2018 Posted August 16, 2018 7 hours ago, Thomass said: Pasture obviously has a huge influence... But to avoid those nasty bleeders which weakens the breed... It's best we cull them...and follow the astonishing success of the Germans... ...surely...we could possibly get back to our staying niche again by following the strict German regime... ...a bit of Omphe Pa band cum lederhosen breeding...sans bleeding So Thomass can you post the statistics that show the German Thoroughbred horse population has a lower incidence of bleeders than any other Thoroughbred population? By the way Our Ivanhowe like most of the horses mentioned in the article has Northern Dancer blood (at least two lines on the sire side) so using your statistical rules that blows your theory out of the water. Must be the pasture! So much for the blue grass of Kentucky and the Waikato! 1 Quote
curious Posted August 16, 2018 Posted August 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: So Thomass can you post the statistics that show the German Thoroughbred horse population has a lower incidence of bleeders than any other Thoroughbred population? By the way Our Ivanhowe like most of the horses mentioned in the article has Northern Dancer blood (at least two lines on the sire side) so using your statistical rules that blows your theory out of the water. Must be the pasture! So much for the blue grass of Kentucky and the Waikato! They'll be the same statistics that show that horses with blinkers on first time generate a greater ROI than those without, or similarly those dropping back from black type races. That is, there are none. It's another hunch being fraudulently promoted by the resident fraudster. Quote
Thomass Posted August 16, 2018 Author Posted August 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: So Thomass can you post the statistics that show the German Thoroughbred horse population has a lower incidence of bleeders than any other Thoroughbred population? By the way Our Ivanhowe like most of the horses mentioned in the article has Northern Dancer blood (at least two lines on the sire side) so using your statistical rules that blows your theory out of the water. Must be the pasture! So much for the blue grass of Kentucky and the Waikato! Gee let's see... The science has been done boyz.... The relationship between bleeders and Stallions has a very High heritability factor... Lets take a wild stab....sorry boys you don't need to do stats to prove curious is in symbiotic homogeneous relationship..it just a thang And so too is the German Thoroughbred.... ...and if you're not breeding to bleeders You won't beget bleeders...wtf knew? Quote
Chief Stipe Posted August 16, 2018 Posted August 16, 2018 31 minutes ago, Thomass said: Gee let's see... The science has been done boyz.... The relationship between bleeders and Stallions has a very High heritability factor... Lets take a wild stab....sorry boys you don't need to do stats to prove curious is in symbiotic homogeneous relationship..it just a thang And so too is the German Thoroughbred.... ...and if you're not breeding to bleeders You won't beget bleeders...wtf knew? Can you post the link to the science Herr Tank? I did read one science paper that suggested there was an inheritance factor however that same study also showed that generally most horses bleed during strenuous exercise. So a hypothesis that may be worth researching is that the Thoroughbred physiologically is not naturally designed to race and the attributes that we select to breed to such as stamina and speed push the natural structure of a horse behind what it was designed for. For example science says that a horse should not be able to race at speed for more than 2000m. Yet we breed and train them to do so. Now the German industry has focused on middle distance upwards - for example they don't have a Group 1 race below 2000m. Another hypothesis to test would be is there a greater propensity for sprinters to bleed over stayers irrespective of genetics? Now Herr Tank be careful what you wish for - under your regime we may end up with a new breed of Cobb horses running over 3 miles. Actually I wonder if Clydesdales bleed? If we raced those you might be able to become a jockey. Although your years of punting analysis will be thrown out the window because I doubt a 4kg weight handicap would make much difference on a Clydesdale. 1 2 Quote
Thomass Posted August 16, 2018 Author Posted August 16, 2018 Tell you what...you do a search that says it isn't and post the links... See you in 10 years Quote
Chief Stipe Posted August 17, 2018 Posted August 17, 2018 2 hours ago, Thomass said: Tell you what...you do a search that says it isn't and post the links... See you in 10 years Geez where did I say there wasn't the possibility of a genetic link that statistically increases bleeding albeit by not a large amount? Quote
Thomass Posted August 17, 2018 Author Posted August 17, 2018 Yea na, the science says VERY HIGH hereditary chance... Besides the screaming memes have been bansheeing for some time about getting back to the roots... ...and we root better at staying than no other down under...our conditions stipulate that ...why root against nature?? Couple that up with the Germanic way of drug free breeding...bobs ya bleedin uncle... That German horse winning the Mel showed a turn of foot that Marita Koch would be proud of...nothing Clydsy about her Quote
curious Posted August 17, 2018 Posted August 17, 2018 OK, so yur blank again on the evidence front. No surprise. Quote
Thomass Posted August 17, 2018 Author Posted August 17, 2018 7 minutes ago, curious said: OK, so yur blank again on the evidence front. No surprise. Actually I don't think you can read.... Even your prized Kentucky Research Unit did a paper on the hereditary Of Bleeders Just admit you love your Yankee drug filled racing... ...nothing beats the whiff of piss on the morning of the Nucky Derby does it? Does it help send your sinuses to Arizona or something? Quote
Thomass Posted August 17, 2018 Author Posted August 17, 2018 Actually bad example Koch... Looks like she may have been dipping her wick in the Viagra or similar...ive seen male wrestlers more feminine than herrrr...him Quote
curious Posted August 17, 2018 Posted August 17, 2018 You'll have to say a bit more. You've lost me. The question was about the evidence that German horses bleed less than those in the rest of the world. Please point us to the evidence. Quote
Thomass Posted August 17, 2018 Author Posted August 17, 2018 No Stipe inferred there was a link but didn't think it increased the chances by much...when the science says "very high" go back to remedial Quote
Chief Stipe Posted August 17, 2018 Posted August 17, 2018 2 hours ago, Thomass said: Yea na, the science says VERY HIGH hereditary chance... Besides the screaming memes have been bansheeing for some time about getting back to the roots... ...and we root better at staying than no other down under...our conditions stipulate that ...why root against nature?? Couple that up with the Germanic way of drug free breeding...bobs ya bleedin uncle... That German horse winning the Mel showed a turn of foot that Marita Koch would be proud of...nothing Clydsy about her If you are talking about Protectionist well the dam side is all UK and mainly Irish! Also under your regime Herr Tank his damn wouldn't have been born as she has Northern Dancer blood. Go figure! Who knew not you! Quote
Chief Stipe Posted August 17, 2018 Posted August 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Thomass said: No Stipe inferred there was a link but didn't think it increased the chances by much...when the science says "very high" go back to remedial Where is the science that says "very high" Herr Tank? Quote
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