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Don’t worry Chief, the smart people here understand this common cultural meme and if not, they know how to use Google to educate themselves so they don’t make dim comments. You scribbling with your crayons seems perfectly apt.

Ah pro racers love your whataboutism, don’t you? As if people only have the capacity to care about one issue at a time. Nope, my emotional range is bigger than that, though of course I can’t speak for you. As this is clearly an issue close to your heart, what are YOU doing Chief? I’m sure you will find many groups, online and in real life, that you can join to help advocate for overweight pets and educate owners on good pet nutrition or you can speak to your vet professionals or the SPCA to get more information. You could even start an advocacy group yourself!

How unlike you to be so concerned about greyhound welfare but since you ask, nope you bet wrong: my vet and I are both very happy with the condition of my hounds who are healthy and happy and at relevant weights for their ages and sizes.

For someone who loves to run others down, name call and generally act smugly superior, you’re being remarkably dim @Chief Stipe 🤣🤣🤣 And what exactly is the relevance of your question to this topic? Or any other for that matter?

Uh…yeah you can 🤣🤣🤣

Lol at your petty sticks and stones @Chief Stipe You’d think everyone would care about a living creature being treated like commodity? Not to mention the industry has been gone through numerous damning reviews since 2013 with the same issues of 1) animal welfare, 2) data and 3) transparency all continually being raised and Big Time Zola’s situation here seems to be yet another example of all 3. You’d also think everyone would want to do better since the industry has been on notice since September 2021.

Weirdly though, there is nothing in the stewards’ report at Whanganui on 09 August for Big Time Zola and her last race was 02 August.

Still banging on with your whataboutisms re iron, when the charge is for cobalt and which you can provide research for the effects of only in horses which are not, and have never been, greyhounds. Love your commitment to irrelevance!

In your wilful ignorance you miss the point that cobalt does not occur naturally in greyhounds at the level detected in Mr Pringle’s dog and it only got there because the adjudicators believe and as (again I repeat) he freely admitted in his written submission, as a result of giving his hound a supplement licensed for use in horses not dogs. Lord it gets boring having to repeat these basic facts adnauseam to you

Love your whataboutisms don’t you? Screeching ‘but look over here at this other thing I think is wrong!!!! Stamps foot’ isn’t a defenced to this or any other charge. Also you don't seem to know much about iron and human health - ‘many women take iron once a month’ (lololol cos we can’t use actual terms like menstruation?) will do nothing. Iron meds need to be taken for a sustained length of time to impact lowered iron levels, and iron infusions are usually at least one week apart.

Dunno if you know this but greyhounds aren’t horses. You don’t have any research on its effects in dogs so you can’t say it has no impact on them. Imagine if we allowed drugs tested on animals to be rolled out on humans without proper, robust research into their impacts, side effects and efficacy? I mean, we’re an animal too, what could be the harm? Only that 95% of new drugs that are shown to be safe and effective in animals fail in human trials. So pony up with research on dogs and colbalt or sit down eh?

And my point (which clearly passed you right on by though you directly asked for it) was the behaviour of Mr Pringle speaks to his character. Who gives a dog they claim to love horse supplements that is not licensed for use in dogs and which he had received no veterinary advice to do so (or none that he tabled - I'd love to see it) and just because other trainers allegedly do (although clearly smarter at it). And you agree that " Pringle was cheating to administer Ironvita within 48 hours" - by his own, freely given written submission he did this on race day in an uncontrolled squirt from a bottle - but you don't think the other claims he made about supposedly tampered chicken broth + and beaks and intestines + he must have still had supplement on his hands (hours later - does the man not ever wash his hands?) when he helped a steward open a sample are implausible? Heard of Occam's razor? I'm sure glad the adjudicators must have. So what, do tell us, are Mr Pringle's grounds for appeal here exactly? Just that you don't like this rule? I mean, some people don't like the speed limits on our roads but they are the law and if you are caught breaking them, there are consequences. Ah well, if GRNZ agree with you they can just change it, like they have done with other rule changes.

The Adjudicators certainly seem concerned about its potential to increase EPO - from the decision ID: RIB44381 7. The use of Cobalt as a potential performance-enhancing agent has been reported in human and equine athletes. It has been postulated that the enhanced erythropoiesis (production of red blood cells) and increased circulating erythropoietin concentrations following Cobalt administration, have the potential to improve athletic performance by raising the blood oxygen carrying capacity. Cobalt has been found to increase erythropoietin (EPO) concentrations in dogs. ^emphasis mine

Mr Pringle’s actions speak to the character of those who participate in the industry, that’s why. He freely admitted to giving his greyhound a supplement for horses twice a day including race day, a known EPO, that is not licensed for use in dogs and at an uncontrolled dose which would be far higher than a dog should have been given if it was licensed for their use. He claims other trainers use this same horse supplement too. Then he concocted completely implausible scenarios to try and point the finger elsewhere for a strict liability offence that even the usually lenient adjunct committee disregarded. And you @Chief Stipe think he has grounds for an appeal - and I can’t wait to hear on what grounds - again speaks to the character of the few people in New Zealand who support this industry.

I personally can’t wait to read all the additional reckons you’ll add to Mr Pringle’s vituperative nonsense in the appeal of a strict liability charge @Chief Stipe. I have my popcorn ready.

Again, there’s no requirement for anyone to state their agenda to be a user of this site and it’s hilarious how you continuously rise to the (live?) bait whenever people refuse to do what you demand

Nope just protecting my identity and that of a relative on a site that has no requirement to use real identifying details so nasty little men don’t harass people

Information you only know because you’re using your access as the site admin. Confirming my fact earlier today. Cool story bro.

Speaking of opinion and supposition… 🤣😒

What exactly about my comment is ‘bullshit’ hmmm? The facts: 1) Liz Whelan’s details are publicly available on the GRNZ website 2) you tried to publicly name me (but I’m not Tyra) against your own site’s privacy policy 3) when that didn’t work you came at me in DMs using site log in details you have only because you’re an admin and tried to name me as a relative who has no connection to greyhound racing. 4) the only thing irrelevant here is you banging on, once again, about people’s agendas when your site’s t&cs do not prohibit views or opinions contrary to your own.

Oh the hypocrisy. Concerned about posting a phone number from a public contact page on the official GRNZ website yet you tried to out my personal, private identity - breaching your own site’s privacy policy and which you only had access to because you’re a site admin and looked at confidential log in details. Who is the actual piece of work here, hmmm?

Maybe because the WHK report in 2013, the Hansen report in 2017, the Robertson Review in 2021 and the cross-party Petitions Committee report in 2022 (the latter two following June 2020 when GRNZ submitted their self declared final report to then Racing Minister Winston Peters, because apparently all recommendations had been successfully implemented, and that they would no longer be reporting progress lol) all identified systemic and ongoing issues with animal welfare, transparency and data. It seems like the bare minimum for an organisation that claims ‘welfare is at the heart of everything we do’.

The report is up now: two hounds dead in one race. For what it’s worth, tomorrow’s races are abandoned too. https://www.grnz.co.nz/catch-the-action/15896/stewards-report.aspx