curious

You've got to get them in the game before you worry about keeping them in it?

revision of the Famis bonus scheme from the 90s? Never have contributed much to wagering revenue as far as I can see. Hardly any sort of new initiative.

That was King George's fault wasn't it?

How or where did I infer that?

That's the problem. It's not. It's based on and adds to the precedent. It's insufficient, and can only be fixed by NZTR issuing revised penalty guidelines for these cases that are more in keeping with the damage they cause to participation, wagering and the public image of racing. I wonder how the hundreds of punters who backed Churchillian and lost their bet are feeling now.

Of course and I haven't had a horse in work for 2 years, but I'm a licence holder and have a duty to stay up to date. Actually, I was alerted to updates almost a year ago by a post you made on here: https://bitofayarn.com/topic/94287-nzeva-prohibited-substance-recommended-withholding-times/

Either way, that amounts to negligence imo. The information that Grierson supplied is available to all and it's implausible to me that experienced trainers and vets would not be aware of it.

Well that's not what the NZVA guidlines say. They say after 12 iv doses, detection time is 3 days, so you'd have to take that up with Grierson if you think it's so far wrong.

No. It's the established International Screening Limit (ISL). “The International Screening Limit (ISL) is the urine or plasma concentration adopted for the screening of a specified therapeutic prohibited substance; it is derived from administration studies followed by a risk analysis consisting of two components: a risk assessment (evaluation of the effect of the substance and factors related to its control) and a risk management (decision step for harmonisation).

Yes, and the treating veterinarian should have passed on that advice when prescribing the medication though it's very surprising that trainers of their experience would not be aware of the necessary precautions. It is also strange that the case hasn't prompted Grierson and the NZEVA to add the detection time for oral and possibly transdermal flunixin to their recommended witholding times guide.

Except this is supposedly not the treated horse and that applies to bedding contamination from excreted material, not rubbing noses or other transdermal transfer.

No they didn't. That is for their May race days isn't it?

Eh? This isn't cobalt. It's an anti-inflammatory. Way different story however unlikely it sounds.

There's a bit of cross purpose when we are trying to retain our best 3yos to race in NZ more but the highest rated ones have to race overseas to valdate their rating for pattern race standards.

Yes.

From the 2023 report: The NZPC’s concerns with the WBRR ratings assigned to NZ 3yo races escalated during the 2022/23 season. NZ-derived ratings for horses rated >112 are subject to moderation by the APC handicappers. The NZPC holds significant concerns regarding this process. The 2022/23 crop of 3yo’s enjoyed unprecedented success and was regarded as the best in many years by experts across Australia and NZ. Conversely, NZ 6 3yo races in 2022/23 were moderated by APC handicappers to rate at their lowest level in some years. As a starting point, NZ 3yo ratings are at the bottom end of global norms unless the horse performs well overseas in the same season. Further, many NZ horses that race overseas achieve markedly higher ratings as older horses, clearly suggesting their earlier 3yo rating was unduly conservative. Examples abound. The WBRR Race Ratings used to evaluate race quality are appended as Section 6 of this Report. The NZPC decided to formalise a NZ Rating Review panel comprising the NZ Handicapper, a race ratings expert from the NZPC and one from outside the NZPC. This panel will assist in the assessment of WBRR ratings for NZ horses.

Probably right given the Pattern Committee themselves are questioning the WBBR ratings of our 3yos.

Read the rules then. https://nztr.co.nz/sites/nztrindustry/files/2023-05/STANDARDTRAININGAGREEMENT.pdf NZTR TRAINING AGREEMENT, NZTR CO-OWNER AGREEMENT AND NZTR LEASE AGREEMENT 1502 (1) The NZTR Training Agreement is deemed to apply between the Trainer and Owner of each horse (except Exempt Trainers and Exempt Owners), and such parties must comply with the agreement, subject to sub-Rule 1502(2).

What? All owners and trainers have a training agreement don't they? It is pretty clear to me.

Ask Longines. I'm just the messenger.

The LONGINES World's Best Racehorse Rankings for 3yos and upwards which raced between 1st January 2024 - 10th March 2024 (The next edition will be released on 11th April 2024) https://www.ifhaonline.org/resources/WTRRankings/LWBRR.asp?batch=118

Ranking Rating Cat Surface Horse YOF Sex Owner Trainer Trained 1 121 M D National Treasure (USA) 2020 C SF Racing LLC, Starlight Racing et al Bob Baffert USA 1 121 M D Senor Buscador (USA) 2018 H Sharaf Mohammed S. Al Hariri & Joe R. Peacock Jr Todd Fincher USA 3 120 S T Private Eye (AUS) 2017 G P. Yates, J. Allen et al Joseph Pride AUS 3 120 L T Rebel's Romance (IRE) 2018 G Godolphin Charlie Appleby UAE 3 120 I T Romantic Warrior (IRE) 2018 G Peter Lau Pak Fai Danny Shum HK 3 120 M D Ushba Tesoro (JPN) 2017 H Ryotokuji Kenji Holdings Co Ltd Noboru Takagi JPN 7 119 M T Charles Dickens (SAF) 2019 C Drakenstein Stud Candice Bass Robinson SAF 7 119 S T Imperatriz (AUS) 2018 M Te Akau Invincible Empress Racing Partnership Mark Walker AUS 7 119 M T Mr Brightside (NZ) 2017 G Lindsay Park Bloodstock, Green Shorts Racing et al Ben, Will & J. D. Hayes AUS 7 119 I T Prognosis (JPN) 2018 H Shadai Race Horse Co Ltd Mitsumasa Nakauchida JPN 7 119 M D Saudi Crown (USA) 2020 C FMQ Stables Brad Cox USA 7 119 M-I T Voyage Bubble (AUS) 2018 G Sunshine And Moonlight Syndicate Ricky Yiu HK 13 118 M T Straight Arron (AUS) 2018 G Karen Lo Ki Yan Caspar Fownes HK 13 118 M T Think It Over (AUS) 2015 G Bylong Park Kerry Parker AUS 15 117 M T California Spangle (IRE) 2018 G The Exors of The Late Howard Liang Yum Shing Tony Cruz HK 15 117 L D Ever Daddy (ARG) 2020 C Stud Tramo 20 Juan Saldivia ARG 15 117 M T Fangirl (AUS) 2018 M Ingham Racing Chris Waller AUS 15 117 M T Main Defender (SAF) 2020 G J.J. Habib, G., K. & M.M. Nassif Tony Peter SAF 15 117 M D Nysos (USA) 2021 C Baoma Corporation Bob Baffert USA

Really, how? I thought I had been quite specific.

As of March 10, she was rated the 7th best horse in the world by the WBBR, second best sprinter, 1 point behind Private Eye.

Except that he NZ and Asian Pattern Committees and Longines agree with them.