Chief Stipe Posted September 23, 2023 Author Share Posted September 23, 2023 6 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: Coolmore,Chris Waller and others...read it and weep... Won the Gr.2 Todman Stakes at 2 in record-breaking time! "a dynamic performance from an exceptional horse" jockey Blake Shinn, after the Gr.2 Todman Stakes Won the richest race on turf, the $14 million Everest, defeating 10 Gr.1 winners & older horses as the only 3YO in the race! "Perhaps the best sprinter on the planet" Chris Roots, Sydney Morning Herald, 19th October 2019 "A record-breaking performance in Saturday’s $14 million The Everest has put a 3-year-old on top of the sprinting world, sending his potential stud value into the stratosphere." TDN AusNZ, 20th October 2019 So? We are talking about Imperatriz and the value of The Everest to her!!! Not some stallion promotional hype!!!! Tell me as a breeder (which is unlikely) would you value the Golden Slipper above The Everest in terms of stallion making? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 17 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Then you could apply for black type Group status. At the moment it is a sweepstake where 2 or 3 stables hold most of the tickets. No. It would still be a restricted race (to horses sold at Karaka) wouldn't it, not open entry? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 18 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: The racing industry is like any industry=about making MONEY. Really? When you've got what? Less than 2% chance of doing so? Certainly a valid aim but rarely achieved. Doubt many of the players would do so for that purpose. Dream of it maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted September 24, 2023 Author Share Posted September 24, 2023 54 minutes ago, curious said: No. It would still be a restricted race (to horses sold at Karaka) wouldn't it, not open entry? But couldn't you open the entry by adjusting the entry fees. If you weren't sold at Karaka you pay more to enter for example? How many Aussie horses want to come in this direction anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 54 minutes ago, curious said: Really? When you've got what? Less than 2% chance of doing so? Certainly a valid aim but rarely achieved. Doubt many of the players would do so for that purpose. Dream of it maybe. Yes few may be chosen. People work to make...money to sustain their lives.-trainers,jockeys,service people and so on. There are some tax breaks and various incentives for investment in racing . If you are isolating ownership of horses and making a profit,you will find like most business activity 'it's lonely at the top...and crowded at the...bottom'. Some entrepreneurial types mitigate risk,they don't breed,own,train,or ride horses but still make a grand living by organising those that...do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: So? We are talking about Imperatriz and the value of The Everest to her!!! Not some stallion promotional hype!!!! Tell me as a breeder (which is unlikely) would you value the Golden Slipper above The Everest in terms of stallion making? Personally using Yes Yes Yes and Coolmore who seem to have a few...clues as an exampl...the Everest. It's against all comers and not restricted to 2 y.o's. A filly/mare winning the Everest would clearly become more valuable as a breeding proposition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted September 24, 2023 Author Share Posted September 24, 2023 1 hour ago, holy ravioli said: A filly/mare winning the Everest would clearly become more valuable as a breeding proposition. Only if it won and as @curious pointed out Imperatriz has a 98% chance of not winning it. David Ellis and Mark Walker have pulled the right rein. Full credit to them for evaluating all the variables and deciding on what's best for the horse and ultimately the owners. I would imagine the owners are more than happy with the decision. As Ellis has said many times their business model relies on keeping their owners happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 14 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Only if it won and as @curious pointed out Imperatriz has a 98% chance of not winning it. David Ellis and Mark Walker have pulled the right rein. Full credit to them for evaluating all the variables and deciding on what's best for the horse and ultimately the owners. I would imagine the owners are more than happy with the decision. As Ellis has said many times their business model relies on keeping their owners happy. I'm not sure that was exactly what Curious meant. If it is, it would apply in any race contested ,would it not? Did Ellis just!Was that after the usual...it's all because of our devoted,hard working staff. Good businessman Ellis,good organiser.😜 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 28 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: I'm not sure that was exactly what Curious meant. Certainly wasn't. I make her a 12% chance in the Everest at this stage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 27 minutes ago, curious said: Certainly wasn't. I make her a 12% chance in the Everest at this stage. You really shouldn't confuse the...Chief...like that...Curious.😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted September 24, 2023 Author Share Posted September 24, 2023 3 hours ago, curious said: Certainly wasn't. I make her a 12% chance in the Everest at this stage. Ok I thought I read 2%. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted September 24, 2023 Author Share Posted September 24, 2023 4 hours ago, holy ravioli said: Did Ellis just!Was that after the usual...it's all because of our devoted,hard working staff. Good businessman Ellis,good organiser.😜 Seem to be doing alright so far this year. Strike rate 3.21. Not including OZ starts. I guess they are doing so well you'd want to tax their success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 31 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Seem to be doing alright so far this year. Strike rate 3.21. Not including OZ starts. I guess they are doing so well you'd want to tax their success. Hell no!How about a tax...break instead...just for syndicated colts that have ..stud potential!💲(whatever you do,do NOT mention the Natz 4 NEW TAXES) Btw ,next time I see Dave,I will tell him to reserve you a ticket for the TA hospo....tent.😜 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted September 24, 2023 Author Share Posted September 24, 2023 32 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: Btw ,next time I see Dave,I will tell him to reserve you a ticket for the TA hospo....tent.😜 Cool I'll see ya there. The stupid thing is I know exactly who you are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 11 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Ok I thought I read 2%. The 2% was in reference to the chance of any horse that races covering its costs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 12 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Cool I'll see ya there. The stupid thing is I know exactly who you are. Oh no sprung!Why would that be ...stupid? Who would expect anything....less from...Sherlock H?😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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