Biggest laugh in NZ Politics for 2023 is .......

[Walt]

 

Chris Hipkins announcing just before the Christmas break that he wants a "reset" for himself and the Labour Party.....haha hilarious 

Let's unpick that.

"Reset" was the term Mrs Ed used to describe the Kiwibuild catastrophe. It's a euphemism for "we totally farked up with totally unachievable promises and wasted enormous amounts of tax payer funds as we always do....but now we want to change the narrative by having a "reset" without admitted we totally farked up. We just want you to stop talking about it and reminding us of just how inept we really are. In reality we just moved the goal posts and replaced one clueless clown with an obese clueless clown. 

The timing of Hipkins latest bullshit statement is no coincidence. He is VERY aware the knives for him will be out over the summer break. Labour can't possibly go forward with Hipkins unless of course they have learned zero from their election drubbing and the demented sounds in their echo chamber are still telling them Hipkins is on the right track....haha

Hipkins and Labour are now totally irrelevant. Only the demented sycophants (morning H.R) still believe Labour are on the right track. Their recent front bench announcement highlights Labour are just doing the "same shit, different day".

Labour are woke. They no longer represent the working man / women of NZ.  Just like the Greens who are only "Green" by name, Labour represent those with brown faces, the unemployed by circumstance or choice and of course the LGBT community. They divided our beautiful country more than any Government in decades. How did that work for them? They got arseholed out left a divided country in their wake. Now they want a "reset" ? ...I only have to words for them and the second word is,       off

I like many others believe the following to be 100% accurate.

Labour have been so deeply entrenched in their own echo chamber that they don't realize just how despised they are by huge numbers of good New Zealanders.

If Labour are ever going to be a political force in NZ they need a complete reset. New leader and deputy leader. New front bench. Go back to old school Labour Party principles. Wave goodbye to virtue signaling. Representing and prioritizing the minority is never the way forward for the majority. 

If Labour come back after the summer break and vote out the leader and deputy leader and announced a new front bench, they will have owned their "shit" and made the first steps in the very long road back. If they don't do that they will have proven yet again just how inept, useless and irrelevant they really are. 

 

https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/22-12-2023/chris-hipkins-wants-to-reset-the-labour-party-and-himself

[holy ravioli]

So the coalition of Chaos are going to reunite NZ!!!-Have a cigarette,get some ephedrine and home bake,never mind 'fair pay'(who  needs that),no more free  prescriptions and prepare for higher unemployment and austerity.

Don't worry landlords and the uber rich will get richer.

[Chief Stipe]

7 minutes ago, holy ravioli said:

So the coalition of Chaos are going to reunite NZ!!!-Have a cigarette,get some ephedrine and home bake,never mind 'fair pay'(who  needs that),no more free  prescriptions and prepare for higher unemployment and austerity.

Don't worry landlords and the uber rich will get richer.

Slogans and no substance.  One things for sure the country couldn't have continued doing what the last mob were doing.

[holy ravioli]

1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

Slogans and no substance.  One things for sure the country couldn't have continued doing what the last mob were doing.

Those are policies not slogans....learn to tell the difference.

[Walt]

1 hour ago, holy ravioli said:

So the coalition of Chaos are going to reunite NZ!!!-Have a cigarette,get some ephedrine and home bake,never mind 'fair pay'(who  needs that),no more free  prescriptions and prepare for higher unemployment and austerity.

Don't worry landlords and the uber rich will get richer.

Context is always very important H.R ....but that is the very thing missing from almost all of your input.

National were despised in 2020. The only real difference in their setup since is replacing Judith Collins with Christopher Luxon. Polls through 2023 highlighted the majority of New Zealanders didn't trust Luxon. This was at least partly related to his determination to respond to entirely different questions with the exact same answer and the perception that he was carefully keeping his own beliefs hidden from view while attempting to be everything to everybody. Why then did National attract so much of the vote at the election and Labour get sent packing? Most common answers were that the majority of kiwi's hated the incompetency of Labour and the direction they were taking NZ. It was accepted by most that due to their woke beliefs on every issue including crime, NZ was a less safe to live and work in. Most believed they were extremely wasteful with their spending and divided NZ on ethnicity and sexual orientation. If you didn't unconditionally support the transgender movement being forced upon everyone then you are transphobic.  If you didn't unconditionally support their prioritizing support and healthcare based on ethnicity rather than need then you were a racist. Labour encouraged the weaponizing of the word "racist". The fact Hipkins is now farcically claiming he doesn't know what he and Labour could have done differently to win the election highlights just how far removed he and Labour are now from reality. Hard work should be encouraged and supported. It wasn't under Labour. Resentment toward the wealthy was encouraged while we kept hearing about were the poor old beneficiaries. A percentage of those people that were on the benefit as a lifestyle choice. They'd come on the news expressing their frustration at not being able to live the entitled life they wanted while on the benefit. Meanwhile, we were having to import a workforce even to do manual labour putting even more pressure on housing. Talk about shitting in your own nest. Those out there working continued to be on the receiving end of a punitive tax system. Supermarkets rorted New Zealanders worse than ever and Labour stood on the sideline incapable of doing anything meaningful. They ended up leaving things up to the very people ripping you off to do the right thing. Supermarkets saw straight through Labour's obviously empty threats. This was another rank failure by Labour. They ended up appointing a grocery commissioner who was only ever going to be perfunctory. Don't get me started on our health system and housing. 

The icing on the cake was their cornerstone election promise to remove GST off vegetables. What a far king joke. If it was even possible to implement it wouldn't take effect until 2025 and even then it needed the people ripping you off at the Supermarket to pass on that small saving to shoppers. Yea right. How much was that saving going to be? A massive $4.50 a week should you buy $30 worth of vegetables. .....but Hipkins say he still doesn't know what he could have done to win the election. Really?  

 

Here's what I believe are absolute facts.

1) Had Labour been an even half way decent Government, National would not be back in Government now. If you're going to blame anyone for this outcome, you should blame Labour for creating this dynamic. 

2) If the changes being implemented now had come into play prior to 2017, New Zealanders would have mostly accepted them and just believed they were necessary. What's changed? An unprecedented sense of entitlement from Maori to the point they are threatening insurrection now if a democratically elected Government has the audacity to explore what's best for the majority instead of the minority. Resentment toward the bad white man and those that have been successful in life has been encouraged and is now at disturbing levels. Protesting from the Woke over virtually everything is now the new normal.

3) Labour has encouraged Maori to believe their language should be forced onto everyone at rocket speed with dubious widespread buy-in because for them in their echo chamber, that's the right and justified course of action. Many Maori now believe anything but a continuation of Labour's divisive agenda is an attack on Maori language and culture. It's not. It's a quest for balance to the betterment of all kiwi's, not just a minority.

4) The carnage Labour created will take many years to recover from. 

 

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, holy ravioli said:

Those are policies not slogans....learn to tell the difference.

The way you write them they are slogans.  

 

2 hours ago, holy ravioli said:

ave a cigarette,get some ephedrine and home bake

Where is the policy in that statement?

[holy ravioli]

3 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

The way you write them they are slogans.  

 

Where is the policy in that statement?

If you don't know by now,you never...will.

[holy ravioli]

4 hours ago, Walt said:

Context is always very important H.R ....but that is the very thing missing from almost all of your input.

National were despised in 2020. The only real difference in their setup since is replacing Judith Collins with Christopher Luxon. Polls through 2023 highlighted the majority of New Zealanders didn't trust Luxon. This was at least partly related to his determination to respond to entirely different questions with the exact same answer and the perception that he was carefully keeping his own beliefs hidden from view while attempting to be everything to everybody. Why then did National attract so much of the vote at the election and Labour get sent packing? Most common answers were that the majority of kiwi's hated the incompetency of Labour and the direction they were taking NZ. It was accepted by most that due to their woke beliefs on every issue including crime, NZ was a less safe to live and work in. Most believed they were extremely wasteful with their spending and divided NZ on ethnicity and sexual orientation. If you didn't unconditionally support the transgender movement being forced upon everyone then you are transphobic.  If you didn't unconditionally support their prioritizing support and healthcare based on ethnicity rather than need then you were a racist. Labour encouraged the weaponizing of the word "racist". The fact Hipkins is now farcically claiming he doesn't know what he and Labour could have done differently to win the election highlights just how far removed he and Labour are now from reality. Hard work should be encouraged and supported. It wasn't under Labour. Resentment toward the wealthy was encouraged while we kept hearing about were the poor old beneficiaries. A percentage of those people that were on the benefit as a lifestyle choice. They'd come on the news expressing their frustration at not being able to live the entitled life they wanted while on the benefit. Meanwhile, we were having to import a workforce even to do manual labour putting even more pressure on housing. Talk about shitting in your own nest. Those out there working continued to be on the receiving end of a punitive tax system. Supermarkets rorted New Zealanders worse than ever and Labour stood on the sideline incapable of doing anything meaningful. They ended up leaving things up to the very people ripping you off to do the right thing. Supermarkets saw straight through Labour's obviously empty threats. This was another rank failure by Labour. They ended up appointing a grocery commissioner who was only ever going to be perfunctory. Don't get me started on our health system and housing. 

The icing on the cake was their cornerstone election promise to remove GST off vegetables. What a far king joke. If it was even possible to implement it wouldn't take effect until 2025 and even then it needed the people ripping you off at the Supermarket to pass on that small saving to shoppers. Yea right. How much was that saving going to be? A massive $4.50 a week should you buy $30 worth of vegetables. .....but Hipkins say he still doesn't know what he could have done to win the election. Really?  

 

Here's what I believe are absolute facts.

1) Had Labour been an even half way decent Government, National would not be back in Government now. If you're going to blame anyone for this outcome, you should blame Labour for creating this dynamic. 

2) If the changes being implemented now had come into play prior to 2017, New Zealanders would have mostly accepted them and just believed they were necessary. What's changed? An unprecedented sense of entitlement from Maori to the point they are threatening insurrection now if a democratically elected Government has the audacity to explore what's best for the majority instead of the minority. Resentment toward the bad white man and those that have been successful in life has been encouraged and is now at disturbing levels. Protesting from the Woke over virtually everything is now the new normal.

3) Labour has encouraged Maori to believe their language should be forced onto everyone at rocket speed with dubious widespread buy-in because for them in their echo chamber, that's the right and justified course of action. Many Maori now believe anything but a continuation of Labour's divisive agenda is an attack on Maori language and culture. It's not. It's a quest for balance to the betterment of all kiwi's, not just a minority.

4) The carnage Labour created will take many years to recover from. 

 

I agree with some of what you say.

The reality is all Govts of the last 2 decades have shied away from the real problems,-productivity,infrastructure,housing,taxation,and immigration settings and play...'kick the can...down the road'.

[Chief Stipe]

2 hours ago, holy ravioli said:

I agree with some of what you say.

The reality is all Govts of the last 2 decades have shied away from the real problems,-productivity,infrastructure,housing,taxation,and immigration settings and play...'kick the can...down the road'.

The only way to fix it is allow the market play and remove all the constraints.

[Chief Stipe]

2 hours ago, holy ravioli said:

If you don't know by now,you never...will.

That's why you continue to support a failed ideology.

[holy ravioli]

43 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

The only way to fix it is allow the market play and remove all the constraints.

where has that ever ..worked?

[Chief Stipe]

Just now, holy ravioli said:

where has that ever ..worked?

It works everywhere everyday.  Your socialist experiment of the last 6 years was an absolute failure.  

[holy ravioli]

3 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

It works everywhere everyday.  Your socialist experiment of the last 6 years was an absolute failure.  

Give one example.Gee Rodney did a good job on you.Free market does not exist...anywhere.

[Chief Stipe]

24 minutes ago, holy ravioli said:

Give one example.Gee Rodney did a good job on you.Free market does not exist...anywhere.

It does actually but you're blinded.

Of course you can offer no realistic alternative.  That's point actually you haven't offered any alternative.

[holy ravioli]

12 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

It does actually but you're blinded.

Of course you can offer no realistic alternative.  That's point actually you haven't offered any alternative.

So where does it exist then?It's like pulling...teeth.🙄

[Chief Stipe]

6 minutes ago, holy ravioli said:

So where does it exist then?It's like pulling...teeth.🙄

Successful markets are all around you.  Open your eyes.  Hell you're the only person I know who runs around with blinkers on top of a blind fold with their eyes closed.

[holy ravioli]

15 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Successful markets are all around you.  Open your eyes.  Hell you're the only person I know who runs around with blinkers on top of a blind fold with their eyes closed.

Once again ,name one sovereign country where the 'free market' operates.

You can't ,can you?🤡

[Chief Stipe]

10 minutes ago, holy ravioli said:

Once again ,name one sovereign country where the 'free market' operates.

You can't ,can you?🤡

Free markets operate in every country including China.  It is only control freaks like yourself and Cindys Labour Government that distort those markets by trying to enforce excessive controls.

[holy ravioli]

11 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Free markets operate in every country including China.  It is only control freaks like yourself and Cindys Labour Government that distort those markets by trying to enforce excessive controls.

So your example of a free market is.....drumrolllllll......CHINA!!!!=very good...no doubt about your in depth knowledge of economics...now.😆

[Chief Stipe]

13 minutes ago, holy ravioli said:

So your example of a free market is.....drumrolllllll......CHINA!!!!=very good...no doubt about your in depth knowledge of economics...now.😆

Oh dear you do lack comprehension skills.  I said there are markets in every country working effectively including China.  Just as there are markets that are not working effectively in many countries because of centralised control and bureaucratic largesse and inefficiency.

Why don't you remove the socialist blinkers, then the communist blind fold and open your eyes...at least for Christmas?!

[holy ravioli]

11 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Oh dear you do lack comprehension skills.  I said there are markets in every country working effectively including China.  Just as there are markets that are not working effectively in many countries because of centralised control and bureaucratic largesse and inefficiency.

Why don't you remove the socialist blinkers, then the communist blind fold and open your eyes...at least for Christmas?!

Just admit....the so called 'free market' is an ideological fantasy,that doesn't exist.

Xmas is a ritual to accelerate spending.The poor hamster regiment gets no respite.

30 years of sweat and slavery to live in a big box....not long after that...a small...'box'..awaits.

The wonderful world of consumerism.

[Chief Stipe]

7 minutes ago, holy ravioli said:

Just admit....the so called 'free market' is an ideological fantasy,that doesn't exist.

Free markets do exist.  Obviously you've never been involved in real word trade.

8 minutes ago, holy ravioli said:

Xmas is a ritual to accelerate spending.The poor hamster regiment gets no respite.

That's a sad view on life.  I take it you live alone.

Take care of yourself.  I'm not a great fan of Christmas myself but not because of the gift giving but because of past sadness and missing people I love.

But I try hard not to be a Grinch:

[Chief Stipe]

51 minutes ago, holy ravioli said:

30 years of sweat and slavery to live in a big box....not long after that...a small...'box'..awaits.

The wonderful world of consumerism.

60 years of sweat and slavery to live in a shoe box...not long after that...an incinerator awaits and your belongings are redistributed.

The wonderful world of Communism.

[holy ravioli]

9 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

60 years of sweat and slavery to live in a shoe box...not long after that...a incinerator awaits amd your belongings are redistributed.

The wonderful world of Communism.

And the difference is.......?

[Chief Stipe]

26 minutes ago, holy ravioli said:

And the difference is.......?

You really need to ask?

At least in NZ you own your house and at the end of your life you can redistribute your wealth to your children or friends.  Plus you don't need to start working in a real job until at least age 16.