Huey Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 Kiwi Wonder - stop it please ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted March 25 Author Share Posted March 25 As of March 10, she was rated the 7th best horse in the world by the WBBR, second best sprinter, 1 point behind Private Eye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 8 hours ago, curious said: As of March 10, she was rated the 7th best horse in the world by the WBBR, second best sprinter, 1 point behind Private Eye. She is a class act alright. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 10 hours ago, curious said: As of March 10, she was rated the 7th best horse in the world by the WBBR, second best sprinter, 1 point behind Private Eye. Is there more than one Private Eye racing in the World? If it is the OZ one how does he rank higher? Have I missed some races he has won since September last year and many many months before that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted March 25 Author Share Posted March 25 Ranking Rating Cat Surface Horse YOF Sex Owner Trainer Trained 1 121 M D National Treasure (USA) 2020 C SF Racing LLC, Starlight Racing et al Bob Baffert USA 1 121 M D Senor Buscador (USA) 2018 H Sharaf Mohammed S. Al Hariri & Joe R. Peacock Jr Todd Fincher USA 3 120 S T Private Eye (AUS) 2017 G P. Yates, J. Allen et al Joseph Pride AUS 3 120 L T Rebel's Romance (IRE) 2018 G Godolphin Charlie Appleby UAE 3 120 I T Romantic Warrior (IRE) 2018 G Peter Lau Pak Fai Danny Shum HK 3 120 M D Ushba Tesoro (JPN) 2017 H Ryotokuji Kenji Holdings Co Ltd Noboru Takagi JPN 7 119 M T Charles Dickens (SAF) 2019 C Drakenstein Stud Candice Bass Robinson SAF 7 119 S T Imperatriz (AUS) 2018 M Te Akau Invincible Empress Racing Partnership Mark Walker AUS 7 119 M T Mr Brightside (NZ) 2017 G Lindsay Park Bloodstock, Green Shorts Racing et al Ben, Will & J. D. Hayes AUS 7 119 I T Prognosis (JPN) 2018 H Shadai Race Horse Co Ltd Mitsumasa Nakauchida JPN 7 119 M D Saudi Crown (USA) 2020 C FMQ Stables Brad Cox USA 7 119 M-I T Voyage Bubble (AUS) 2018 G Sunshine And Moonlight Syndicate Ricky Yiu HK 13 118 M T Straight Arron (AUS) 2018 G Karen Lo Ki Yan Caspar Fownes HK 13 118 M T Think It Over (AUS) 2015 G Bylong Park Kerry Parker AUS 15 117 M T California Spangle (IRE) 2018 G The Exors of The Late Howard Liang Yum Shing Tony Cruz HK 15 117 L D Ever Daddy (ARG) 2020 C Stud Tramo 20 Juan Saldivia ARG 15 117 M T Fangirl (AUS) 2018 M Ingham Racing Chris Waller AUS 15 117 M T Main Defender (SAF) 2020 G J.J. Habib, G., K. & M.M. Nassif Tony Peter SAF 15 117 M D Nysos (USA) 2021 C Baoma Corporation Bob Baffert USA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted March 25 Author Share Posted March 25 The LONGINES World's Best Racehorse Rankings for 3yos and upwards which raced between 1st January 2024 - 10th March 2024 (The next edition will be released on 11th April 2024) https://www.ifhaonline.org/resources/WTRRankings/LWBRR.asp?batch=118 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 1 hour ago, curious said: The LONGINES World's Best Racehorse Rankings for 3yos and upwards which raced between 1st January 2024 - 10th March 2024 (The next edition will be released on 11th April 2024) https://www.ifhaonline.org/resources/WTRRankings/LWBRR.asp?batch=118 So Private Eye's rating is based on what performances? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted March 26 Author Share Posted March 26 Ask Longines. I'm just the messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 2 hours ago, curious said: Ask Longines. I'm just the messenger. Well clearly Imperatriz after the last two races would be top sprinter. But can't see how Private Eye is even close looking at his record over the last 18 months by comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Agent Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 5 hours ago, curious said: Ask Longines. I'm just the messenger. It would be like questioning the Patterns Committee I'd imagine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted March 26 Author Share Posted March 26 5 hours ago, Special Agent said: It would be like questioning the Patterns Committee I'd imagine. Probably right given the Pattern Committee themselves are questioning the WBBR ratings of our 3yos. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 9 hours ago, curious said: Probably right given the Pattern Committee themselves are questioning the WBBR ratings of our 3yos. Questioning in what way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Agent Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 Curious will have more info at his disposal, but I part remember from a conversation with a much younger and more intelligent person that the comparisons country to country are whacked i.e. some low end South American country racing rates alongside the best in the world almost on equal footing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted March 26 Author Share Posted March 26 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: Questioning in what way? From the 2023 report: The NZPC’s concerns with the WBRR ratings assigned to NZ 3yo races escalated during the 2022/23 season. NZ-derived ratings for horses rated >112 are subject to moderation by the APC handicappers. The NZPC holds significant concerns regarding this process. The 2022/23 crop of 3yo’s enjoyed unprecedented success and was regarded as the best in many years by experts across Australia and NZ. Conversely, NZ 6 3yo races in 2022/23 were moderated by APC handicappers to rate at their lowest level in some years. As a starting point, NZ 3yo ratings are at the bottom end of global norms unless the horse performs well overseas in the same season. Further, many NZ horses that race overseas achieve markedly higher ratings as older horses, clearly suggesting their earlier 3yo rating was unduly conservative. Examples abound. The WBRR Race Ratings used to evaluate race quality are appended as Section 6 of this Report. The NZPC decided to formalise a NZ Rating Review panel comprising the NZ Handicapper, a race ratings expert from the NZPC and one from outside the NZPC. This panel will assist in the assessment of WBRR ratings for NZ horses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 2 minutes ago, curious said: From the 2023 report: The NZPC’s concerns with the WBRR ratings assigned to NZ 3yo races escalated during the 2022/23 season. NZ-derived ratings for horses rated >112 are subject to moderation by the APC handicappers. The NZPC holds significant concerns regarding this process. The 2022/23 crop of 3yo’s enjoyed unprecedented success and was regarded as the best in many years by experts across Australia and NZ. Conversely, NZ 6 3yo races in 2022/23 were moderated by APC handicappers to rate at their lowest level in some years. As a starting point, NZ 3yo ratings are at the bottom end of global norms unless the horse performs well overseas in the same season. Further, many NZ horses that race overseas achieve markedly higher ratings as older horses, clearly suggesting their earlier 3yo rating was unduly conservative. Examples abound. The WBRR Race Ratings used to evaluate race quality are appended as Section 6 of this Report. The NZPC decided to formalise a NZ Rating Review panel comprising the NZ Handicapper, a race ratings expert from the NZPC and one from outside the NZPC. This panel will assist in the assessment of WBRR ratings for NZ horses. So in a nutshell they are saying that the WBRR 3 yr old ratings for NZ are too low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted March 26 Author Share Posted March 26 1 minute ago, Chief Stipe said: So in a nutshell they are saying that the WBRR 3 yr old ratings for NZ are too low. Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 5 minutes ago, curious said: Yes. Here's hoping Orchestral performs well in OZ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted March 26 Author Share Posted March 26 There's a bit of cross purpose when we are trying to retain our best 3yos to race in NZ more but the highest rated ones have to race overseas to valdate their rating for pattern race standards. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 1 hour ago, curious said: There's a bit of cross purpose when we are trying to retain our best 3yos to race in NZ more but the highest rated ones have to race overseas to valdate their rating for pattern race standards. True but also the value added to the residual value of a filly winning a Grp race in OZ is very large. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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