thrillsnspills Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 If the gin swiggers of HRNZ past or present had come up with a plan to use colonial stallions with races purely amid at these horses with bonuses for the breeder, first ,second and third to be used back to a colonial stallion then we would be alot better off I feel. At the moment all we have done is line the pockets of overseas Stallion owners and nothing has gone back to the every day breeder, and don't get me started on the ridiculous fees that vets charge along with collection fees and working fees if we keep this up Auckland will be lucky to servive 5 years and others may not be to far behind, Don't worry about speed we are going fast enough particularly with trotters. Most of us don't worry about the time but would rather have a photo on the wall with some coin in the bank to allow to keep the horses in work. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honestjohn Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 Vets used to do contracts. The more mares the cheaper. The joint where I kept my mares coordinated until positive scan. I couldn't afford the best but went to the proven ones. Live or die was one like that. 3k fee from memory. 20years ago. collonial stallions would have to be well proven before I'd touch. I got caught out by a trainer who I trusted buying a deal direct yearling. a total flop. I never did that again. Hj 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 16 hours ago, thrillsnspills said: If the gin swiggers of HRNZ past or present had come up with a plan to use colonial stallions with races purely amid at these horses with bonuses for the breeder, first ,second and third to be used back to a colonial stallion then we would be alot better off I feel. At the moment all we have done is line the pockets of overseas Stallion owners and nothing has gone back to the every day breeder, and don't get me started on the ridiculous fees that vets charge along with collection fees and working fees if we keep this up Auckland will be lucky to servive 5 years and others may not be to far behind, Don't worry about speed we are going fast enough particularly with trotters. Most of us don't worry about the time but would rather have a photo on the wall with some coin in the bank to allow to keep the horses in work. Yes the Stallion fees are ludicrously high to make breeding financially viable unless you have the top mares to breed from! All the other costs as you say associated and then you are very lucky if you break even racing them! The number if people breeding horses in the future is only going go drop unfortunately. People dont breed from our colonial stallions as they are not commercially attractive if you want to sell them overseas. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrillsnspills Posted March 22 Author Share Posted March 22 Brodie... Firstly we have to ask ourselves are we in the game of Racing or Breeding Tis called Harness Racing not Harness Breeding. The overseas market should be distance second... what came first the horse or the cart ! for those that have forgotten CC bred to 21 mares in America of those 20 of them produced a winner so I'm told but someone will correct me. Tesio would say Champs are born not bred. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 1 hour ago, thrillsnspills said: Brodie... Firstly we have to ask ourselves are we in the game of Racing or Breeding Tis called Harness Racing not Harness Breeding. The overseas market should be distance second... what came first the horse or the cart ! for those that have forgotten CC bred to 21 mares in America of those 20 of them produced a winner so I'm told but someone will correct me. Tesio would say Champs are born not bred. The problem is though that it is currently far too expensive to have a horse trained compared to stake money that you can win, unless you are one of the few in the top echelon! Yes owners get a great thrill when they win a race, but then again most of the owners nowadays are past mid age without a doubt. It is very difficult to attract people to ownership when it is costing probably in excess of $3k per month have a horse in full work, with a top trainer! Syndication by several people is greatly appreciated but seriously it is only a drop in the bucket really! There is no one answer as to how to stop the decline, but to have new participants into harness racing, we need to get them to attend oncourse! Highly doubt training fees will ever come down, and can not see how stake money is going to increase as turnover needs to be increased! Entain are trying to improve things which is great obviously but there needs to be change to TAB policies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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