mardigras Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Well that's what I was told anyway. I don't listen to hearsay, I prefer to measure performance objectively myself. Funnily enough, the horse has only ever raced once without blinkers. Ran 2nd over 1000m at Warwick Farm on a Good3. Next start with blinkers on, ran 2nd over 1100m. But the run at Warwick Farm is the 27th fastest over 1000m on a G3 or better in the last 15 years - out of over 1000 horses at that track/distance/track condition. A real slug without blinkers for sure. Only half a second off the best - done by Snitzerland no less in a G2 race. Clearly when Thomass states the trainer says the horse is next to useless without them, Snowden must think that performance was next to useless. Tough marker. All the other horses he races there without blinkers on must be next to useless as well. Since they don't run as fast as Redzel did - without blinkers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted November 13, 2018 Author Share Posted November 13, 2018 And only a little bit quicker than Howmuchdoyouloveme, Hay List, Tiger Tees and Temple Of Boom ran when they ran in the G2 won by Snitzerland. Still, next to useless apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelTheFear Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Just found out that Bayeux who I tipped out today for 2nd at $8.00 was equipped with blinkers. Ran 10.9L first start and improves 10.7L next start with added blinkers. A 3yo before Xmas up 1kg in weight. Must have been the blinkers. Nominated for the NZ Derby. If he has blinkers on add 20%. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted November 13, 2018 Author Share Posted November 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, FeelTheFear said: Must have been the blinkers. Must have been. I'm not so sure the horse improved 10.7L. The margin between it and the winner changed by that, but is that improvement of that much? Wait til Thomass tells you he had adjusted the first start up by 12 lengths due to back luck and being hampered. What then? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasel Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, mardigras said: Must have been. I'm not so sure the horse improved 10.7L. The margin between it and the winner changed by that, but is that improvement of that much? Wait til Thomass tells you he had adjusted the first start up by 12 lengths due to back luck and being hampered. What then? However it gets sliced and diced by TommyTomTom, his comments on Bayeux will surely be a tapestry of lies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelTheFear Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Just now, mardigras said: Must have been. I'm not so sure the horse improved 10.7L. The margin between it and the winner changed by that, but is that improvement of that much? Wait til Thomass tells you he had adjusted the first start up by 12 lengths due to back luck and being hampered. What then? Yes that makes sense, didn't think of it like that, thanks. Anyway, I never factored in blinkers and thought that the trainer Danny Walker would add the polish. Boy what a run too, came from well off the pace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 12 hours ago, mardigras said: Well that's what I was told anyway. I don't listen to hearsay, I prefer to measure performance objectively myself. Funnily enough, the horse has only ever raced once without blinkers. Ran 2nd over 1000m at Warwick Farm on a Good3. Next start with blinkers on, ran 2nd over 1100m. But the run at Warwick Farm is the 27th fastest over 1000m on a G3 or better in the last 15 years - out of over 1000 horses at that track/distance/track condition. A real slug without blinkers for sure. Only half a second off the best - done by Snitzerland no less in a G2 race. Clearly when Thomass states the trainer says the horse is next to useless without them, Snowden must think that performance was next to useless. Tough marker. All the other horses he races there without blinkers on must be next to useless as well. Since they don't run as fast as Redzel did - without blinkers! Do you have a life? A Princess...some bloke to cuddle...is curious doing nights this week? You behave like Batman...but you continue to jump in blind...without the Crusader's undies...and then I leave you hanging...hoisted high...upside down from a Gargoyle... Snowden When asked about the blinkers: “He’s cagey there is no doubt about it. He does what he has to without them. On race day we need to use them.” And then Hayesy puts you to bed again with your nonsense of you knowing more than Trainers Redkirk Warrior wore blinkers for the first time on Saturday after Hayes thought the gelding had become a "thinker" at the end of his last campaign. "Just because they're fast, sometimes they don't focus, but he was focused today," Hayes said. "He ran down the best sprinter in Australia." So RW runs down Redzel...both wearing Blinkers...after their trainer's played with their minds... Just like I'm fiddling with yours....sans undies...Hoisted off a gargoyle... spanked 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted November 13, 2018 Author Share Posted November 13, 2018 (edited) The only person you are spanking is yourself. Repeatedly. You are so far out of your depth. Since you first stated that Snowden said he was next to useless without blinkers. Now you're changing it - since he is far from useless without blinkers. It's what you do, you write as if you are quoting them , but they haven't said what you write. Because you're stupid. And it clearly looks like he runs as fast on all the evidence (except opinion), without blinkers as with blinkers. Who knew. Not you. So my opinion remains the same. That being the blinkers likely make no consequential difference to the performance of the horse. Snowden has his opinion. I'm happy to have a different one. Edited November 13, 2018 by mardigras Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted November 13, 2018 Author Share Posted November 13, 2018 Did I forget to mention Redzel carried 3.5kg more in his race than Snitzerland did in his. What's the formula again for that Thomass. Heck, he would have practically broken the track record at his only start without blinkers. Next to useless, no doubt about it. Hahahaha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 4 hours ago, mardigras said: The only person you are spanking is yourself. Repeatedly. You are so far out of your depth. Since you first stated that Snowden said he was next to useless without blinkers. Now you're changing it - since he is far from useless without blinkers. It's what you do, you write as if you are quoting them , but they haven't said what you write. Because you're stupid. And it clearly looks like he runs as fast on all the evidence (except opinion), without blinkers as with blinkers. Who knew. Not you. So my opinion remains the same. That being the blinkers likely make no consequential difference to the performance of the horse. Snowden has his opinion. I'm happy to have a different one. Nobody in the history of racing sites has the complete arrogance that you display... Unbelievably you still think the horse goes as well without blinkers Hall of Fame trainers just waste Air according to you... Their belief is all fiction...and they're hiding the real reason why theyre blinkering up ffs...get help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 3 hours ago, mardigras said: Did I forget to mention Redzel carried 3.5kg more in his race than Snitzerland did in his. What's the formula again for that Thomass. Heck, he would have practically broken the track record at his only start without blinkers. Next to useless, no doubt about it. Hahahaha. You're too thick to see you can't have an each way bet on this moron Either 1Kg= 0.1L or it doesn't Redzel getting beaten 3L over 1000M is a hiding Thats why he blinkered him up Utter dickhead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted November 14, 2018 Author Share Posted November 14, 2018 11 minutes ago, Thomass said: Nobody in the history of racing sites has the complete arrogance that you display... Unbelievably you still think the horse goes as well without blinkers Paragraph 1. That's Ok. I don't mind. Nobody in the history of racing sites has the complete stupidity that you display. That's one each. Paragraph 2. That's your opinion. Thanks for sharing. The only evidence against that is also opinion especially in light of the fact the horse has only raced the one time without. Are you suggesting that if they decide to race Redzel without blinkers, I shouldn't back it specifically for that reason? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 No it's the opinion of the f In trainer who knows the horse you dickhead... "He's cagey...on race day we need to use them" You think 0.5sec is virtually nothing for some weird reason...because you're ignorant...that's it its f in 3L over 1000M...a thrashing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted November 14, 2018 Author Share Posted November 14, 2018 2 hours ago, Thomass said: You're too thick to see you can't have an each way bet on this moron Either 1Kg= 0.1L or it doesn't Redzel getting beaten 3L over 1000M is a hiding Thats why he blinkered him up Utter dickhead Yet he still ran faster than Haylist and the others I mentioned. Was Haylist any good? He certainly didn't get beaten by 3L. He was 3L behind the track record. Keep up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted November 14, 2018 Author Share Posted November 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Thomass said: No it's the opinion of the f In trainer who knows the horse you dickhead... "He's cagey...on race day we need to use them" You think 0.5sec is virtually nothing for some weird reason...because you're ignorant...that's it its f in 3L over 1000M...a thrashing You clearly can't read. He didn't get beaten by 3L when he raced without blinkers. But it sure is helping make you look stupid now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted November 14, 2018 Author Share Posted November 14, 2018 (edited) Let's simply end this discussion now. You seem to hold the view that anyone who disagrees with the trainer about a horse is wrong. Odd view, but there you go. If I always believed trainers (even just the highest rated), I'd be broke. Reading this thread shows you up as having some serious anger issues. If I were you, I'd consider attending anger management sessions. It can't be healthy being the way you are. But on the topic, I know you struggle with simple stuff. But try this. The 3 starts prior to running without blinkers, the horse ran in races with margins away from the winner of 4.2L, 4.5L and 4.8L. Are you with me so far? Then ran with blinkers off, beaten 0.5L. In a time that was 3L off the actual track record. Now, when I went to school, 3L is less than 4.2L, 4.5L and 4.8L - which were the margins to the winner in those earlier races - not to the track record. In all prior starts, the only time he had finished closer to the winner was in winning its maiden race in a maiden event! All other starts beaten by more. Only 97% of all horses to race over 1000m at Warwick Farm on a Good 3 have run slower. Only 97% of them. 1000+ starters in the last 15 years. If you can't get this, then there is no way to help you. For someone that claims to not listen to trainers, you do a heck of a lot of posts claiming things from trainers. You thrive on hearsay. He's cagey quite likely as per what Snowden says. But he was also fast - without blinkers. That is indisputable. I rest my case. Edited November 14, 2018 by mardigras Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 (edited) A kingdom of isolation And it looks like I'm the queen…Let it go Let it go...let it go.... Just leave it to real horsemen...not statsman poo picker upperers.... They know best...and if they say "on Raceday we need to use them" Take it as read...ok Edited November 14, 2018 by Thomass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted November 14, 2018 Author Share Posted November 14, 2018 You can, and obviously do. A pretty good reason why you lose. Unable to form an opinion by yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Yes of course... Incredibly were not dealing with robots...statsman.... Theyre living breathing beasts with behavioural issues.... ...like possibly you?? ...but I'm suspecting you may be a bot... Who thinks trainers know sfa...and they should train by the clock... let it go Queenie... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted November 14, 2018 Author Share Posted November 14, 2018 Good to see you finally admitting that blinkers are used to address behavioural issues. Well done, that's progress. Thankfully that should allow you to see that Redzel runs as fast without blinkers, but maybe Snowden felt he had a behavioural issue he wanted to address. Well done if that's the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Haha...you absolute fool All Blinker applications are to change behaviours... Field shy...often the result of an early lack of running with mobs these days Concentration issues... ..and of course in BRAVE SMASH's case...wanting to race handier... It's your favourite generic term....Blinkers= changes behaviour The funniest thing with your so called 'stats' though.. Is that you make no allowance for unlucky runs or racing wide without cover... Consequently your 'speed' ratings are about as reliable as an old Trabant running on 2 stroke Keep up the ignorant narrative though...loving starting the mornings off bent over in hysterics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted November 14, 2018 Author Share Posted November 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, Thomass said: Haha...you absolute fool All Blinker applications are to change behaviours... Field shy...often the result of an early lack of running with mobs these days Concentration issues... ..and of course in BRAVE SMASH's case...wanting to race handier... It's your favourite generic term....Blinkers= changes behaviour The funniest thing with your so called 'stats' though.. Is that you make no allowance for unlucky runs or racing wide without cover... Consequently your 'speed' ratings are about as reliable as an old Trabant running on 2 stroke Keep up the ignorant narrative though...loving starting the mornings off bent over in hysterics More of your usual diatribe. What's funny is when I told you blinkers are to address behavioural issues, you tried to claim that wasn't true. Good to see you on board with that now. I don't use stats. I don't use opinions. I use facts. You're the stats man, 3yo after Christmas, Down in grade, 3kg claimers, blinkers on, 1kg = 1L. Maybe you've forgotten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 I said it's do with all behaviours obviously.... Its like saying we breath to stay alive...no kidding Seriously though...I'd be emailing all of these trainers if I was you... Reveal their neddy's times and how they're as fast without blinkers... The Industry could save millions in gear weary and teary Just do it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted November 14, 2018 Author Share Posted November 14, 2018 I don't tell trainers how to do their job. And they don't tell me how to punt. That's one of the biggest differences between you and me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 I certainly don't tell Trainers anything... I trust them...when the BP is activated on a certain horse...and they've added Blinkers...Im all over them for 20%... ...You Just mouth off telling them it's a waste of time...Mr. Arrogant Did Dibo...Haysy's training mate...tell you how to pick up the poo correctly... ...or did you tell him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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