Chief Stipe Posted 16 hours ago Share Posted 16 hours ago The question that should be asked is who was the Steward on course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Agent Posted 16 hours ago Share Posted 16 hours ago Gary Stewart in charge at Matamata. Brady Jones in charge at Te Rapa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted 15 hours ago Share Posted 15 hours ago 9 minutes ago, Special Agent said: Gary Stewart in charge at Matamata. Brady Jones in charge at Te Rapa. So if a rider at an official trial didn't ride up to standard why shouldn't they be called out for it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted 15 hours ago Share Posted 15 hours ago 21 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: So if a rider at an official trial didn't ride up to standard why shouldn't they be called out for it? Especially when it was dangerous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted 15 hours ago Share Posted 15 hours ago They seem to be tightening up on this too. J Fawcett RESPOND Easing the pace 1000 metres [Rule 638(4)] N Parmar MANORBIER Easing the pace 1000 metres [Rule 638(4)] 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Agent Posted 12 hours ago Share Posted 12 hours ago 3 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: So if a rider at an official trial didn't ride up to standard why shouldn't they be called out for it? I'm not saying they shouldn't. Just asking if anyone has seen it policed at the trials on the same terms as race day before. I don't believe there should be a "win at all costs" mentality, even if trying to sell. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Agent Posted 12 hours ago Share Posted 12 hours ago For instance, the whip rules also apply to trials and jumpouts and I've never seen a Stipe take a rider aside there either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago 8 hours ago, Special Agent said: For instance, the whip rules also apply to trials and jumpouts and I've never seen a Stipe take a rider aside there either. I've never seen a rider break the whip rules at the trials. I've also noted that the riders will give each other room which is against racing rules. For example you could hear Jockeys yelling to be given room in the last 200m when stuck behind slower horses. Trials often have a real mix of talent and horses at different stages of development. In NZ trials are for many horses an educational experience. So you'd expect the competitive side of the rules to be relaxed. That said I've seen some hot head Jockeys have a rush of blood at times. However viewing the 30 trials at Matamata I didn't see many issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago Were there any late scratched there for not loading within 90 seconds? Reportedly several at Ashburton. I can see the case for it but it seems a bit tough at trials when they are there to learn. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago Agree up to a point... but where to draw the line? It affects all the other runners if several need more time spent, as well as running the whole day later and later, and there are serial offenders too. As well as a few sent back there were others that did load, albeit slowly, and didn't get a barrier certificate as a result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago 1 hour ago, curious said: Were there any late scratched there for not loading within 90 seconds? Reportedly several at Ashburton. I can see the case for it but it seems a bit tough at trials when they are there to learn. I don't remember seeing any late scratched for that reason. Generally the horses were well behaved - a few took a bit to load and they were relatively tolerant of that. A couple took an age to get round to the start and required assistance delaying proceedings. However they were quick to scratch a horse if it reared and struck the stalls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 6 minutes ago, Freda said: It affects all the other runners if several need more time spent, as well as running the whole day later and later, and there are serial offenders too. From what I've seen often the serial offenders are from the same stable or stables. Is that your observation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 20 minutes ago, Freda said: Agree up to a point... but where to draw the line? It affects all the other runners if several need more time spent, as well as running the whole day later and later, and there are serial offenders too. As well as a few sent back there were others that did load, albeit slowly, and didn't get a barrier certificate as a result. Yes. I'm wondering if a bit more leeway on trial days? But those that don't load relatively quickly maybe need to go back to jump outs or practice gates? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted 41 minutes ago Share Posted 41 minutes ago 1 hour ago, curious said: Yes. I'm wondering if a bit more leeway on trial days? But those that don't load relatively quickly maybe need to go back to jump outs or practice gates? Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted 40 minutes ago Share Posted 40 minutes ago 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: From what I've seen often the serial offenders are from the same stable or stables. Is that your observation? And yes to that as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted 29 minutes ago Share Posted 29 minutes ago 10 minutes ago, Freda said: And yes to that as well. Are you becoming a yes man? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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