Chief Stipe Posted January 16 Posted January 16 The question that should be asked is who was the Steward on course. Quote
Special Agent Posted January 16 Posted January 16 Gary Stewart in charge at Matamata. Brady Jones in charge at Te Rapa. Quote
Chief Stipe Posted January 16 Posted January 16 9 minutes ago, Special Agent said: Gary Stewart in charge at Matamata. Brady Jones in charge at Te Rapa. So if a rider at an official trial didn't ride up to standard why shouldn't they be called out for it? Quote
curious Posted January 16 Posted January 16 21 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: So if a rider at an official trial didn't ride up to standard why shouldn't they be called out for it? Especially when it was dangerous. Quote
curious Posted January 16 Posted January 16 They seem to be tightening up on this too. J Fawcett RESPOND Easing the pace 1000 metres [Rule 638(4)] N Parmar MANORBIER Easing the pace 1000 metres [Rule 638(4)] 1 Quote
Special Agent Posted January 16 Posted January 16 3 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: So if a rider at an official trial didn't ride up to standard why shouldn't they be called out for it? I'm not saying they shouldn't. Just asking if anyone has seen it policed at the trials on the same terms as race day before. I don't believe there should be a "win at all costs" mentality, even if trying to sell. 2 Quote
Special Agent Posted January 16 Posted January 16 For instance, the whip rules also apply to trials and jumpouts and I've never seen a Stipe take a rider aside there either. Quote
Chief Stipe Posted January 16 Posted January 16 8 hours ago, Special Agent said: For instance, the whip rules also apply to trials and jumpouts and I've never seen a Stipe take a rider aside there either. I've never seen a rider break the whip rules at the trials. I've also noted that the riders will give each other room which is against racing rules. For example you could hear Jockeys yelling to be given room in the last 200m when stuck behind slower horses. Trials often have a real mix of talent and horses at different stages of development. In NZ trials are for many horses an educational experience. So you'd expect the competitive side of the rules to be relaxed. That said I've seen some hot head Jockeys have a rush of blood at times. However viewing the 30 trials at Matamata I didn't see many issues. Quote
curious Posted January 16 Posted January 16 Were there any late scratched there for not loading within 90 seconds? Reportedly several at Ashburton. I can see the case for it but it seems a bit tough at trials when they are there to learn. 2 Quote
Freda Posted January 16 Posted January 16 Agree up to a point... but where to draw the line? It affects all the other runners if several need more time spent, as well as running the whole day later and later, and there are serial offenders too. As well as a few sent back there were others that did load, albeit slowly, and didn't get a barrier certificate as a result. 1 Quote
Chief Stipe Posted January 16 Posted January 16 1 hour ago, curious said: Were there any late scratched there for not loading within 90 seconds? Reportedly several at Ashburton. I can see the case for it but it seems a bit tough at trials when they are there to learn. I don't remember seeing any late scratched for that reason. Generally the horses were well behaved - a few took a bit to load and they were relatively tolerant of that. A couple took an age to get round to the start and required assistance delaying proceedings. However they were quick to scratch a horse if it reared and struck the stalls. Quote
Chief Stipe Posted January 16 Posted January 16 6 minutes ago, Freda said: It affects all the other runners if several need more time spent, as well as running the whole day later and later, and there are serial offenders too. From what I've seen often the serial offenders are from the same stable or stables. Is that your observation? Quote
curious Posted January 16 Posted January 16 20 minutes ago, Freda said: Agree up to a point... but where to draw the line? It affects all the other runners if several need more time spent, as well as running the whole day later and later, and there are serial offenders too. As well as a few sent back there were others that did load, albeit slowly, and didn't get a barrier certificate as a result. Yes. I'm wondering if a bit more leeway on trial days? But those that don't load relatively quickly maybe need to go back to jump outs or practice gates? 1 Quote
Freda Posted January 16 Posted January 16 1 hour ago, curious said: Yes. I'm wondering if a bit more leeway on trial days? But those that don't load relatively quickly maybe need to go back to jump outs or practice gates? Yes. Quote
Freda Posted January 16 Posted January 16 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: From what I've seen often the serial offenders are from the same stable or stables. Is that your observation? And yes to that as well. Quote
curious Posted January 16 Posted January 16 10 minutes ago, Freda said: And yes to that as well. Are you becoming a yes man? Quote
Freda Posted January 16 Posted January 16 34 minutes ago, curious said: Are you becoming a yes man? Ya think? Quote
Chief Stipe Posted January 16 Posted January 16 @Freda and @curious I get the impression that the no-problem stables just roll their eyes, deep sigh and look the other way? Would that be a fair assessment? I'm not saying that the big stables don't have a horse that causes an issue but then 1 in 40 is a bit different to 2 out of 3! I had a horse once that left the breakers was in work for a couple of weeks and developed a quirk - went straight back to the breakers under warranty. Fixed in a week. Chris Rutten and Jonno Benner fixed him. 1 Quote
Chief Stipe Posted January 17 Posted January 17 4 hours ago, Freda said: Fair assessment. I'm guessing NZTR are not interested in fixing that problem? Quote
curious Posted January 17 Posted January 17 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: I'm guessing NZTR are not interested in fixing that problem? They don't seem to me to too interested in fixing a number of problems. Some a lot more critical than that one. 1 1 Quote
Freda Posted January 17 Posted January 17 This one will be self limiting. The problem horses won't get barrier certificates and will therefore drop out of the system. Quote
curious Posted January 17 Posted January 17 2 hours ago, Freda said: This one will be self limiting. The problem horses won't get barrier certificates and will therefore drop out of the system. That might create some opportunities for those that can sort them out? Quote
Freda Posted January 17 Posted January 17 1 hour ago, curious said: That might create some opportunities for those that can sort them out? Might do indeed. Terry Kennedy has been working with horses from elsewhere for ages. We here at Riccarton are shoo-ed off the track at 10, leaves little opportunity to work with problem types. Quote
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