Thomass Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 If any Man from Mars arrived here they'd be thinking planet Earth has constant RAIN When NZTR adopted the ridiculous Australian rating 'system' they didn't take into account how crazy a SOFT rating sounds when it's NOT SOFT at all Maybe to an Arstralian it is... NZTR then FAILED to recognise the new system introduced another H to the confusion...the old H9 H 10 to H8 H9 H10 When punters HATE H ratings! It's terribly misleading...however NZTR and Australia are about to introduce a 7 point rating system...surely they'll sort the nonsense out this time? #yeana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Doesn't matter what nomenclature you use if you don't measure using at least two quantitative measures that are reliable, repeatable and consistent across surfaces albeit with specific calibration. The track ratings in NZ are a nonsense. When was the last time you saw a penetrometer reading? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted January 26 Author Share Posted January 26 Well you may well arks @chiefstipe When I contacted NZTR and pointed out how many readings Australia provide punters in THREE They said..;it's hard to get our tracks calibrated...then we tried to bring in the shear reading, providing a shear reader to many tracks...but that didn't work out..." Get the picture Chief? Then Mick Pitman was ropable when interviewed by Geggy O'Connor on Trackside this weekend "why are we running on all thes SOFT tracks in the middle of summer FFS" pretty much word for word...and he has influence on the trainer's committees but how much weight does that carry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 18 minutes ago, Thomass said: Then Mick Pitman was ropable when interviewed by Geggy O'Connor on Trackside this weekend "why are we running on all thes SOFT tracks in the middle of summer FFS" But they weren't running on a Soft 5 were they? @Pitman was telling fibs again. They ran 1:07 and a bit in the Timaru Stakes on a Soft 5 which was upgraded to a G4 AFTER the race. Arguably it was more like a G2. Pitty got the track he wanted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted January 26 Author Share Posted January 26 I got the impression he was more referring to the starting track rating for the day on tracks throughout the season G 4 is still the old EASY after all Pitty trains his steeds to love hard ground evidently N.B the Cup was still officially run on a SOFT 5 Nothing about 'retrospectively' which they use if they think the race was run on something differently So they irrigated it to an H 8 (with 1ml rain Thursday night) and had 8 races on a SOFT 5 Seriously, no wonder Pitty was spitting tacks 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 18 minutes ago, Thomass said: I got the impression he was more referring to the starting track rating for the day on tracks throughout the season G 4 is still the old EASY after all Pitty trains his steeds to love hard ground evidently N.B the Cup was still officially run on a SOFT 5 Nothing about 'retrospectively' which they use if they think the race was run on something differently So they irrigated it to an H 8 (with 1ml rain Thursday night) and had 8 races on a SOFT 5 Seriously, no wonder Pitty was spitting tacks It wasn't a Soft 5 or arguably a Good 4. Use your noggin and look at the times. Walsh walked the track - I doubt Pitty has for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted January 26 Author Share Posted January 26 Stipes ALWAYS ask Jockeys after every race what they think the track rating is 1.38 1600M a G3 na What's Walshy got to do with it...did he say a G3? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 53 minutes ago, Thomass said: Stipes ALWAYS ask Jockeys after every race what they think the track rating is 1.38 1600M a G3 na What's Walshy got to do with it...did he say a G3? 1.23 1400s and 2.03 for 2000. S5??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted January 26 Author Share Posted January 26 (edited) At least they're consistent When PHELEN THE POWER won in '23... 1.22.76 on a S5 The main point..using the default as an SOFT 5 is NUTS isn't it? Are our horses now so delicate they can't race on a G3? Why have they got a G1 rating which NEVER happens apart from Towpaw in a blue moon And got rid of H11...which happens often in winter?/ Edited January 26 by Thomass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 28 minutes ago, Thomass said: At least they're consistent When PHELEN THE POWER won in '23... 1.22.76 on a S5 The main point..using the default as an SOFT 5 is NUTS isn't it? Are our horses now so delicate they can't race on a G3? Why have they got a G1 rating which NEVER happens apart from Towpaw in a blue moon And got rid of H11...which happens often in winter?/ It's like they report it to suit those who want a bit of give in the track and deliver it to suit the likes of Pitty. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 2 minutes ago, curious said: It's like they report it to suit those who want a bit of give in the track and deliver it to suit the likes of Pitty. Yeah @Thomass hasn't twigged to that yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 1 hour ago, Thomass said: Stipes ALWAYS ask Jockeys after every race what they think the track rating is 1.38 1600M a G3 na What's Walshy got to do with it...did he say a G3? Yeah and at a recent Trenthan meeting the Jockeys told the Stipes they were wrong and they didn't change the rating. The ratings are pure crap and some trainers know that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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