Ruakaka..how to piss off trainers...oh and owners...oh and.....

[Thomass]

WTAF??

How does a track open as Soft 5, without ANY rain go -> SOFT 7

This is how

33% Moisture, Soft 5 -> 2ml rain -> Soft 5 36.2%

Race day 29% M, Soft 5 after 6ml rain

For those who went to open plan classrooms sans times tables..

Thats 3.2% INCREASE after 2mm rain...to 7% DECREASE after 6mm rain

Just like the immaculate conception...un f***ing believable

But NEVER fear...the incredibly onto it RIB will provide an explanation post race in their report

After arksing the track manager WTF gives?

So rest easy...we'll soon find out...phew

 

Race Day

Weather: Overcast

Track: Soft 7 (Was Soft 5)

Moisture Meter: 29%

Rail: Out 6m 

Rain: 6mm Rain Last 24 Hours | 51mm Rain Last 7 Days

Irrigation: N/A

Weather and Track updated at 6.45am Wednesday 03 September 

 

 

Tuesday Morning

Weather: Fine

Track: Soft 5

Moisture Meter: 36.2%

Rail: Out 6m 

Rain: 2mm Rain Last 24 Hours | 45mm Rain Last 7 Days

Irrigation: N/A

Weather and Track updated at 9.30am Tuesday 2 September 

 

Withdrawal Morning

Weather: Showery

Track: Soft 5

Moisture Meter: 33%

Rail: Out 6m 

Rain: 9mm Rain Last 24 Hours | 43mm rain Last 7 Days

Irrigation: N/A

Weather and Track updated at 9.00am Monday 1 September 

 

 

 

[Huey]

Bring back the "Cone!"

[Chief Stipe]

40 minutes ago, Thomass said:

Race Day

Weather: Overcast

Track: Soft 7 (Was Soft 5)

Moisture Meter: 29%

Rail: Out 6m 

Rain: 6mm Rain Last 24 Hours | 51mm Rain Last 7 Days

Irrigation: N/A

Weather and Track updated at 6.45am Wednesday 03 September 

 

 

Tuesday Morning

Weather: Fine

Track: Soft 5

Moisture Meter: 36.2%

Rail: Out 6m 

Rain: 2mm Rain Last 24 Hours | 45mm Rain Last 7 Days

Irrigation: N/A

Weather and Track updated at 9.30am Tuesday 2 September 

 

Withdrawal Morning

Weather: Showery

Track: Soft 5

Moisture Meter: 33%

Rail: Out 6m 

Rain: 9mm Rain Last 24 Hours | 43mm rain Last 7 Days

Irrigation: N/A

Weather and Track updated at 9.00am Monday 1 September 

Simple explanation.  The moisture meter is not calibrated correctly nor I imagine do the staff have the time nor the training to take the correct number of randomised measurements across the racecourse.

I doubt that a penetrometer was correctly used either.

This issue isn't the sole domain of Ruakaka but has been the case at nearly all tracks across New Zealand.  Trentham and Riccarton being two of the worst.  We have debated this issue at length on BOAY.  As well as the reluctance of the Stipes to adjust the rating more than one point at a time.

[Chief Stipe]

Just for @Comic Dog @Thomass has never been banned.  He is free to post here but obviously has been given the flick from NZ'S Premier Anti-Racing Forum.  Flip flop green pond.

[Thomass]

21 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Simple explanation.  The moisture meter is not calibrated correctly nor I imagine do the staff have the time nor the training to take the correct number of randomised measurements across the racecourse.

I doubt that a penetrometer was correctly used either.

This issue isn't the sole domain of Ruakaka but has been the case at nearly all tracks across New Zealand.  Trentham and Riccarton being two of the worst.  We have debated this issue at length on BOAY.  As well as the reluctance of the Stipes to adjust the rating more than one point at a time.

Sounds complex what you're saying...and they certainly dont 'randomise" readings

The pen is taken at @1m,3, 4.5M I believe so why would they randomise the moisture position?

As for Riccarton Mills is the ONLY CEO who provides a pen. reading...while constantly berating NZTR for getting rid of the pen readings along with adopting the ridiculous Australian system where E=Cx3 

Anyway, would one call this 'investigation' by the RIB anything other than ZERO TRANSPARANCY?

What the  hell happened is what we want to know, not "dont do it again"

"All races were hand timed today.

Stewards questioned the Track Manager, in the presence of a Club Official, regarding the accuracy of the track rating declared on race morning. It was established that the track was rated a Soft 6 at 3:35 pm yesterday and subsequently upgraded to a Soft 5 on race morning following penetrometer readings. Stewards emphasised to both the Club Official and the Track Manager the importance of ensuring accurate track ratings are declared."

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, Thomass said:

The pen is taken at @1m,3, 4.5M I believe so why would they randomise the moisture position?

Are you serious?  So you can average the readings and be statistically accurate.  Using an extreme example a track might have lateral drains evenly spaced.  If you took each reading above each drain then you wouldn't be getting a fair representation of the moisture content.  Done correctly you should also get a measure of variance.

1 hour ago, Thomass said:

As for Riccarton Mills is the ONLY CEO who provides a pen. reading...while constantly berating NZTR for getting rid of the pen readings along with adopting the ridiculous Australian system where E=Cx3 

But does he provide the actual readings.  I've heard anecdotally that there is often a variance between what was measured and what was published.  That can often be seen when comparing actual horse performance to the readings.  Not to mention the disparity between the shute and the rest of the track.  Trentham is even worse.

2 hours ago, Thomass said:

"All races were hand timed today.

Stewards questioned the Track Manager, in the presence of a Club Official, regarding the accuracy of the track rating declared on race morning. It was established that the track was rated a Soft 6 at 3:35 pm yesterday and subsequently upgraded to a Soft 5 on race morning following penetrometer readings. Stewards emphasised to both the Club Official and the Track Manager the importance of ensuring accurate track ratings are declared."

How long have Trenthams been hand timed for now?

As for the Stewards they don't check the readings vs the condition of the track just prior to racing.  Often the actual rating has changed.  Then the Stewards will only change one point at a time.  In my opinion until the standardise the measurement and then enforce quality checks track ratings in NZ should be ignored.

Not to mention of course that on the new Ellerslie you can't use a penetrometer and the artificial surface is always a Soft 5.