cichlid Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 Is the Arsehole "CRAIG RENDLE" doing to the Greyhound World what Brian Epstien and Wienstein has been doing to the people less fortunate in America? These Types of Predators are pure SCUM and RENDLE you are in this category... What you have pre planned and is being carried out is so wrong. Barsi you silly prick, he sucked you in, Holden you leech he paid you to cheat and lie, you Hero.!! Rendle / Cole were so desperate to break records to rub it in to the decent people in our sport they went to Cambridge and performed dismally . After winnng so much they are still after more... FUCK YOU.. How about all of you failed Lawyers and Leeches taking me to Court and bringing things out in the Open ? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockit Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 The industry as a whole have let this happen. Do you think Cole is worried? No!! He still wins and cashes in. Meanwhile everyone else continues to nominate, race and go to the races more than once a week so most can't be too worried?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwigreys Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 11 hours ago, Rockit said: The industry as a whole have let this happen. Do you think Cole is worried? No!! He still wins and cashes in. Meanwhile everyone else continues to nominate, race and go to the races more than once a week so most can't be too worried?? I’m still baffled with the amount of help he gets at the track,, also what about the owners he trains for? Guilty by association in my book, I’d have pulled my dogs a long time ago 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cockyaleg Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 (edited) 14 hours ago, Rockit said: The industry as a whole have let this happen. Do you think Cole is worried? No!! He still wins and cashes in. Meanwhile everyone else continues to nominate, race and go to the races more than once a week so most can't be too worried?? They have no other choice. If they were to pull out which is Cole's end game, there is no where for their dogs to go. The rehoming system could not absorb the numbers. Your future like all others is on the line. You are right, he doesn't care because he is a narcissitic prick who will be long remembered for being the only trainer in the history of NZ greyhound racing to be prosecuted by the State. While trainer numbers remain reasonably high, it makes it difficult for racing opposition to persuade government to end the sport. If trainer numbers were to reduce to say 10 or less in each region, the sport will be shut down. Again you are right Cole doesn't care, he will leave fully cashed up, the rest of you will be looking at bankructcy. Racing punters have steadily declined, many moving to sports betting. The estimate is around 50,000 with the hard core punter propping up all 3 codes. If the casual punter walks away and stakes reduce, the hard cores cannot sustain racing as it stands. The TAB is frantic in it's efforts to retain punters to the point that they are now giving money away. The issues are far greater than one man's ego. When the TAB went digital, the long time aging punters also dropped away. I have seen no evidence that they have been replaced with a younger demographic. This new app on offer looks extremely attractive. Competition will reduce TAB turnover and that reduction will impact the present product and stakes. You are right, the industry let this happen. In Cole's case having his financial backer on the board expedited the sport's demise. Look after number one first is a not model I personally subscribe to. So when the shit does hit the fan, and it will, there will be no going back. Edited July 12, 2019 by Cockyaleg 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shodsie Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 "when the tab went digital,the long term punter also dropped away???? where is your evidence for this?? "i have seen no evidence that they have been replaced with a younger demographic" what figures do you look at?? the last time i looked the cole kennel has trained 800 plus winners how many have you trained???? how many dogs have you breed and rehomed??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cockyaleg Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 54 minutes ago, shodsie said: "when the tab went digital,the long term punter also dropped away???? where is your evidence for this?? "i have seen no evidence that they have been replaced with a younger demographic" what figures do you look at?? the last time i looked the cole kennel has trained 800 plus winners how many have you trained???? how many dogs have you breed and rehomed??? I actually said the "long time aging punter". The people deemed least important. The ones who couldn't afford trackside, and weren't cell/computer savvy. The ones still trying to work out a pod. Also the rural people who no longer have a TAB in their area, have to travel to deposit and withdraw. The forgotten ones. If I'm wrong why not just put the figures up? Why not put all the figures up? The figures I read stated sports betting is the bet type on the rise. The fact that Cole has amassed 800 winners is neither here nor there. If he loses the SPCA case he won't be training anymore. Like you, I haven't trained any winners, but I am a punter. Like many other punters completely turned off by his tactics and the pssibility of of field manipulation. He is without doubt a narcissist, intent on destroying racing in the CD. Monopolies are only ever favoured by those monopolising, but they inevitably cause harm. That's why regulators exist, why the Commerce Commission exists. You obviously place your relationship with Cole and the dollar above the health of the industry. Well done you. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitofaLegend Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 4 hours ago, shodsie said: "when the tab went digital,the long term punter also dropped away???? where is your evidence for this?? "i have seen no evidence that they have been replaced with a younger demographic" what figures do you look at?? the last time i looked the cole kennel has trained 800 plus winners how many have you trained???? how many dogs have you breed and rehomed??? Training 800 winners has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Id ask how many dogs coles rehomed while we are on the case but i think we all know the answer to that ? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitofaLegend Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 (edited) We all know why cole decided to start breeding more dogs was because he pissed of some of the biggest breeders in Australia. Told one prominant breeder that his dogs had broken a leg, than he sold it on. Or how he buys dogs for 15k, sells them to syndicates for 40k. People pick up on these things and become less trusting of him Besides, if you want to breed 300+ dogs a year and have a little over 100 make the track a season than go ahead. Doesnt sound like my idea of fun. Just doing what mcinerney does with a better quality dog Edited July 13, 2019 by BitofaLegend 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Four shaw Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 On 7/14/2019 at 3:45 AM, BitofaLegend said: Training 800 winners has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Id ask how many dogs coles rehomed while we are on the case but i think we all know the answer to that ? Super market cole rehomes f**k all.....prefers to give or sell to vulnerable people to discard all ageing dogs everybody knows this.....or puts them down.........DESTROYING THE GAME,,,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cockyaleg Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 On 13/07/2019 at 11:21 PM, shodsie said: "when the tab went digital,the long term punter also dropped away???? where is your evidence for this?? "i have seen no evidence that they have been replaced with a younger demographic" what figures do you look at?? the last time i looked the cole kennel has trained 800 plus winners how many have you trained???? how many dogs have you breed and rehomed??? Maybe you would like to share all the TAB and Cole stats with us Shodsie. Start with the race punting demographics, returning promotional punters, and work from there. And as you seem to know what Cole does and doesn't do. Please share the actual numbers: Total dogs breed between 2015 and 2019. Total to the races over that period. Total imports raced. Total passed on to other trainers. Total rehomed. We can work out the rest from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shodsie Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 why just the cole kennel cockya??? why not j.mac robin wales gary harding steve evans etc are you anti big breeders or just cole??? the cole kennel should be treated no different too anybody when it comes too wastage and re-homing figures...... if my memory is right the total no. of dogs euthanized last season was 400 odd until nzgra release the names i cant see how anybody could only be guessing too where they came from?? naturally the bigger breeders are going too have more numbers than smaller breeders but i would like too think everybody is playing their part too get this no. down....... with nzgra policy and just the lacking of breeding in australia over the last 18 to 24 months if the macs wales coles and evans etc stop breeding where are we going too get the dogs too keep the industry going??? regarding what punters seem too like, from what i see they don't care if its a bigtime homebush or opawa some of the palmy monday turnover is crazy esp if rosso tips a bigtime fav they are not scared or put off too have a crack... over the next few years the racing industry is going too have massive challengers the anti mob aint going anywhere all i'm saying is if we can dish up a consistent product we should be ok......... cock whats your favourite area too punt on and why???? cheers off too have a study up of thurs.fields Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cockyaleg Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, shodsie said: why just the cole kennel cockya??? why not j.mac robin wales gary harding steve evans etc are you anti big breeders or just cole??? the cole kennel should be treated no different too anybody when it comes too wastage and re-homing figures...... if my memory is right the total no. of dogs euthanized last season was 400 odd until nzgra release the names i cant see how anybody could only be guessing too where they came from?? naturally the bigger breeders are going too have more numbers than smaller breeders but i would like too think everybody is playing their part too get this no. down....... with nzgra policy and just the lacking of breeding in australia over the last 18 to 24 months if the macs wales coles and evans etc stop breeding where are we going too get the dogs too keep the industry going??? regarding what punters seem too like, from what i see they don't care if its a bigtime homebush or opawa some of the palmy monday turnover is crazy esp if rosso tips a bigtime fav they are not scared or put off too have a crack... over the next few years the racing industry is going too have massive challengers the anti mob aint going anywhere all i'm saying is if we can dish up a consistent product we should be ok......... cock whats your favourite area too punt on and why???? cheers off too have a study up of thurs.fields Why just the Cole kennel?, because that is the example you put forward: "the last time i looked the cole kennel has trained 800 plus winners how many have you trained???? how many dogs have you breed and rehomed???" Your second paragraph talks about having a crack and punters not being put off. I would like to know the numbers behind your statement, who is actually having a crack on the Cole monopoly races? If it's the same punters all the time, the hundreds to win punter, or a mix of big and small punters? Would the turnover on those races increase if his runners were reduced from 6-8 runners to only 2? You can't tell me that. Yes massive challenges. Like many big named throughbred trainers, I believe racing will not survive the next 10 years. Trainers are on a steady decline across all 3 codes. The small trainer has taken a major battering, and in the case of greyhounds are being pushed out by their own. I am an FOB punter as I like certainty. I never bet on Cole's dogs, his favs run last too often to even consider the option. I backed Talk over Robson and Cole, Talk over the Cole's stacked fields and I'm on the winning side of the ledger. I will always back the quality trainer over quantity and that doesn't mean I only back the big names. There are some exceptional trainers amongst the small kennels getting the absolute best out of lesser quality dogs. Cole doesn't rate in my book, he just runs numbers. Numbers mean more stakes and more wins, but that does not equate to respect. And yes I would like to know what the big players stats are. I wouldn't include the Walsh kennel in the same category, they no longer breed large quantities. Edited July 16, 2019 by Cockyaleg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shodsie Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 i only used coles name because that's who you and most others on here attack that was all....... everyone has their punting preferences cockyaleg, i personally like races where i think the fav is vulnerable and i guess in the CD that normally means finding the false cole runners in the market and trying too make the most out of it some times it works,some times it doesn't..... "cole doesn't rate in my book"?? big statement, you don't have too like the guy but from my eye he breeds a good dog and knows how too train them but that's the challenge for others i guess trying too match him it isn't going to be easy....... i wont be putting any figures up here but if your ever at the track ask the club secs or race day managers they get too see the figures fixed vs tote............. cheers....... now i'm off too sort out the glorious 20 race wednesday card Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Four shaw Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 (edited) 30 minutes ago, shodsie said: i only used coles name because that's who you and most others on here attack that was all....... everyone has their punting preferences cockyaleg, i personally like races where i think the fav is vulnerable and i guess in the CD that normally means finding the false cole runners in the market and trying too make the most out of it some times it works,some times it doesn't..... "cole doesn't rate in my book"?? big statement, you don't have too like the guy but from my eye he breeds a good dog and knows how too train them but that's the challenge for others i guess trying too match him it isn't going to be easy....... i wont be putting any figures up here but if your ever at the track ask the club secs or race day managers they get too see the figures fixed vs tote............. cheers....... now i'm off too sort out the glorious 20 race wednesday card He breeds a good dog and knows how to train....then tell me why the hell live bait ..that’s the problem every body has EVERYBODY ? Edited July 16, 2019 by Four shaw 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shodsie Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 whats your bloody sweet and tears in the industry four shaw???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feel The Fritter Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 Shods you will never sort the 20 Wedneday race card out.( Unless you have the key to the utter Corruption too ) How honestly can you? Cole has most in the C.D. under control. Look at the dismal lot that walk a dog out or catch for him for starters.? Alan Trass and his wife Venessa who runs the office at Wanganui have that side of things covered for him and the President of Palmerston Paul Freeman who is also Corrupt helps out from that Club too ..Up until now he had Gavin Whiterod watching his back from the R.I.U. perspective and we know how slimey that prick was .... CRAIG RENDLE who helped Cole from Bankruptsy and who under the name of Craig Stephen RENDLE is from Whitford in New Zealand and is, or was, associated with 9 or more companies including: RENDLE RODEWALD INVESTMENTS LIMITED, HAMPTON DOWNS RETAIL INVESTMENTS LIMITED, QUIX AUCKLAND LIMITED, PINEHAVEN PROPERTY TRUSTEE LIMITED, QUIX NEW ZEALAND LIMITED, COMMERCIAL PLUMBING LIMITED, HQ PHYSIOLOGY LIMITED, BROWNZY HOLDINGS LIMITED, THE ALL-ROUND COMPANY LIMITED. Their most recent appointment was on 26 Jul 2006. Address 76 Brownhill Road, Whitford, Auckland , New Zealand This Slime Bag has a company Pinehaven Racing I believe...that is what he and that Invisable slippery Rodewell could be chanelling the % of over 2 MILLION dollars of his share alone THIS YEAR with the Narsistic Cole. This is just the beginning, !!!! Realising Rendle Implemented the (Blackmail Clause) while he Headed the Board that inhibits licensed persons to speak the Truth You can P.M. The Chief with your concerns.. I have not spoken to the Head of this Forum but I Trust him to protect you and forward your concerns when required to the Invesigation that is currently under way.. with Respect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shodsie Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 WOW.......gee feel the fritter do you think this stuff is for real?? here i thought just like the other good breeders in the country who invested in good quality brood bitches used good stud dogs reared them properly broke them in properly and then trained them properly was the reason they are so successful......... silly me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Four shaw Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 22 minutes ago, shodsie said: whats your bloody sweet and tears in the industry four shaw???? Not that it matters but a long time punter at the dogs ......A loyal one at that ..loved the dogs way back on course only ...so my view is backed by history? What’s yours shodsie.....?.....?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cockyaleg Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 1 hour ago, shodsie said: i only used coles name because that's who you and most others on here attack that was all....... everyone has their punting preferences cockyaleg, i personally like races where i think the fav is vulnerable and i guess in the CD that normally means finding the false cole runners in the market and trying too make the most out of it some times it works,some times it doesn't..... "cole doesn't rate in my book"?? big statement, you don't have too like the guy but from my eye he breeds a good dog and knows how too train them but that's the challenge for others i guess trying too match him it isn't going to be easy....... i wont be putting any figures up here but if your ever at the track ask the club secs or race day managers they get too see the figures fixed vs tote............. cheers....... now i'm off too sort out the glorious 20 race wednesday card That's correct Shodsie, I do not rate Cole and nor do many others. He has a long history of infamy and questionable training methods. Allegations of sending in heavies acording to media reports? Bankruptcy which could be described as a form of tax avoidance. Then there is the farce involving his wife, apparently she is the trainer of record. And he has the unenviable hounor of being the first greyhound licence holder to ever face State prosecution. Then there is the probability of facing further charges under racing rules. I think you have confused noteriety with infamy. I do not rate him and I have absolutely no respect for the kennel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shodsie Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 four shaw i'm just surprised that so many are critical of a leading trainer on this site but have very little mud on their hands or shit on there shoes themselves,i can understand fellow hobby/part time trainers struggling and feeling like there's no light at the end of the tunnel but i guess not everything is so straight forward....... have handled my fair share over the years but not for a very long time 4 shaw........ my contribution now involves around doing the form and still providing owners and trainers stake money via poor punting efforts i hope they are appreciative......... ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 36 minutes ago, Cockyaleg said: He has a long history of infamy and questionable training methods. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockit Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, Yankiwi said: This is one of many trainers. He got caught by someone who had an alliance. Maybe GRNZ should look bigger and harder into the industry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cockyaleg Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 24 minutes ago, Rockit said: This is one of many trainers. He got caught by someone who had an alliance. Maybe GRNZ should look bigger and harder into the industry Maybe they should Rockit, but right now he and his helpers are flavour of the month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockit Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 Well not really cause they haven't done anything about it. It's only here say at this point?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feel The Fritter Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 2 hours ago, shodsie said: WOW.......gee feel the fritter do you think this stuff is for real?? here i thought just like the other good breeders in the country who invested in good quality brood bitches used good stud dogs reared them properly broke them in properly and then trained them properly was the reason they are so successful......... silly me Silly or not Shods..I am in awe of the Level. that has been reached. It is the way that it has been done that Hurts Me and the dogs you Cunts are Putting down.to acheive success.... Greyhounds were always part of the family and were treated the same . Now Silly mes put them down because you are all good investors for the wrong reasons. You are Modern day Cunts Really!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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