Rowley Mile Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 Now the Aquanita 8 have been found guilty and sentencing to follow, what odds Mr Birchley appeals? He is training only at the pleasure of the boss of QLD Racing, so, conundrum, what does transparency say, can Liam keep training, found guilty, or does he appeal and drag it out. It's not cheap, lawyers that is, they are facing disqualification and/or warning off.......Smerds is a shot duck, but this fella swears his innocence, so that being the case, Go Liam Go.....you honest bastard, show those legal eagles your smoking gun and blow them away.....#not drowning waving Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N1MUE Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 Haven't followed this case but just read a brief article outlining the verdict and the findings against each of the eight. The article talked about the top-ups (sodium bicarbonate and tripart paste), the thousands of text messages on Nelligan's phone, and Nelligna being caught inserting a syringe into Lovani's mouth, but the bit I'm unclear is why these top-ups hadn't been detected earlier? Obviously it must be illegal to administer top-ups (hence the guilty verdicts) but are they not detectable in the samples they take from winners after the race? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 Full decision attached. 2018-05-04-rad-board-decision---aquanita.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 Reading that decision I would say these guys will get life. Interesting the colourful descriptive language in the decision! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowley Mile Posted May 8, 2018 Author Share Posted May 8, 2018 Read Lee Freedman's tweet re this, he was vicious......The Herald Sun referred to Smerdon as legendary, pleeeease.....Tommy Smith was legendary. It now calls into question all those wins Smerdon has recorded against his name.....EPO found in his stables, the contaminated straw, and now this......hope to see Smerdon packing shelves at Woolies soon.....Birchley, well let's see as he has appealed so innocent until proven otherwise. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wally Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 22 hours ago, Rowley Mile said: Read Lee Freedman's tweet re this, he was vicious......The Herald Sun referred to Smerdon as legendary, pleeeease.....Tommy Smith was legendary. It now calls into question all those wins Smerdon has recorded against his name.....EPO found in his stables, the contaminated straw, and now this......hope to see Smerdon packing shelves at Woolies soon.....Birchley, well let's see as he has appealed so innocent until proven otherwise. hasnt freedman got history himself fancy bagging smerdon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowley Mile Posted May 9, 2018 Author Share Posted May 9, 2018 Lee got outed once over a prohibited treatment, so did Bart, Tommy, Colin Hayes and hundreds more over the years, not systematic cheating, organised and orchestrated like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wally Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 23 minutes ago, Rowley Mile said: Lee got outed once over a prohibited treatment, so did Bart, Tommy, Colin Hayes and hundreds more over the years, not systematic cheating, organised and orchestrated like this. was it to do with be carb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowley Mile Posted May 9, 2018 Author Share Posted May 9, 2018 No Wally, from memory it was anti inflammatory ointment, I may stand corrected, but FBI were our neighbours for many years and they ran a brilliant org.......every arvo all the bro's were out walking horses with the strappers, one in each hand [horses] walk for 40 min, and then a long pick.....horses came first for them, always. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wally Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 13 minutes ago, Rowley Mile said: No Wally, from memory it was anti inflammatory ointment, I may stand corrected, but FBI were our neighbours for many years and they ran a brilliant org.......every arvo all the bro's were out walking horses with the strappers, one in each hand [horses] walk for 40 min, and then a long pick.....horses came first for them, always. somehow something sticks in my mind about a high bi carb level re encosta da lago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowley Mile Posted May 9, 2018 Author Share Posted May 9, 2018 Maybe you are right, we were their neighbours only during the Super Impose/Subzero/Mannerism/Schillaci era. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wally Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 15 minutes ago, Rowley Mile said: Maybe you are right, we were their neighbours only during the Super Impose/Subzero/Mannerism/Schillaci era. they had some great horses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Cave Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 On 8/05/2018 at 8:46 PM, N1MUE said: Haven't followed this case but just read a brief article outlining the verdict and the findings against each of the eight. The article talked about the top-ups (sodium bicarbonate and tripart paste), the thousands of text messages on Nelligan's phone, and Nelligna being caught inserting a syringe into Lovani's mouth, but the bit I'm unclear is why these top-ups hadn't been detected earlier? Obviously it must be illegal to administer top-ups (hence the guilty verdicts) but are they not detectable in the samples they take from winners after the race? Bi carb testing is done BEFORE racing. It's all about timing, too early and the effect wears off, too late and you guessed it. It says something about how inept the Racing Vic. policing was obviously. They supposedly randomly test 30 odd per meeting but these dirty rotten cheating Smeerdons were keeping an eye out for Stipe's number plates and apparently had inside knowledge of who were going to be tested that day among other things. If this happened here, under the Crimes Act, the perpetrator's could be charged with fraud, not just warned off as these grubs have been, along with meaningless fines which they simply won't pay. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poisoned Dwarf Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 Lee Freedman's suspension------ In this time Freedman was not immune from controversy. In March 1995 he was found guilty of substituting a horse in a barrier trial. To gain permission to run a horse, Central Express, in blinkers, it was necessary for it to run in a barrier trial, to demonstrate that the horse could properly run in them. Forced to run the trial the day before a race, Freedman substituted in another runner, Spanish Reign, for the trial. As such, Central Express ran in blinkers in the race, and duly won. Although Freedman said the substitution was for a good reason, not wanting to 'flatten' his horse before the race, he was suspended for four months. In this period, his brother Richard took over as trainer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wally Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 i see smerdon got life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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