Thomass Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 So finally the HOPLESS RIU found time to 'investigate' the CO Auckland Cup DEBACLE where Gripper failed to listen to Scooter "are we there yet" Or.."ALL CLEAR"...as required by the World renowned 'Starters Manual' Thoroughbred Racing's BLUE PRINT... Exactly the words David Greene used when asking for a way forward when his runner was late scratched...and Futures PUNTERS...did their MONEY STONE COLD... "All we want is a BLUE PRINT for going forward" Greene asked... Turns out the BLUE PRINT was there ALREADY...called The Starters Manual...but we knew that Now this is where the HOPELESS RIU's 'investigation' takes a rapid turn downhill to F IN HOPELESS.... You see when this exact same thing happened back in April at Avondale...the HOPELESS RIU's 'investigation' said... "The Starters failed to follow the Starters Manual in requiring the Assistant Starter to issue an "all clear" So instead of reminding the Starters of their obligation to follow the Manual...as indeed happened when reminding the Starters of a False Start situation that up to 2 runners are able to be ignored when a false Start's declared... ...see today's report The HOPELESS RIU simply accepted these 2 Northern Starters wanted to do the procedure their way... ...i.e. "Last runner coming up" and therefore TOTALLY against the Starters Manual of requiring 2 sets of eyes to assess the situation of runners readiness and "ALL CLEAR" from the Assistant... To summarise...The HOPELESS RIU accepted the Northern Starter's were breaking the Manual's Protocols for the Assistant's "ALL CLEAR"... ...but didn't allow the starter's idea of their 'False Start' protocol...reminding them to "follow the Manual" Read and weep then...the SOLE reason the Debacle occurred was due to the incompetence of the RIU in failing to insist Starters follow ALL aspects of the Starting Manual Protocols... Auckland Racing Club - Wednesday 1 January 2020 posted Feb 1, 2020, 10:14 PM by Veronica Algar [ updated Feb 1, 2020, 10:14 PM ] Race 8 - SkyCity City Of Auckland Cup (Group 3) An inquiry has been concluded into the circumstances surrounding a false start being declared after a start to this race was effected when one runner, being the horse PINMEDOWN, had yet to be loaded into its barrier stall. The finding of the investigation was that the Starter Mr T Harrison in pressing the start button had failed to obtain an all clear (that the final runner had been loaded, all gates were closed and a start may be effected) from the Assistant Starter as required in the NZTR Starter’s Manual and in addition had failed to follow a previous direction of the Stipendiary Stewards that in a circumstance involving one or two runners the race should be allowed to proceed with those runners able to be declared non-starters. Mr Harrison was initially stood down from further starting duties and as he has subsequently resigned from his position as Starter employed by a number of Northern Region Clubs the Stipendiary Stewards will be taking no further action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 The "Manual" is flawed. Aside from that what's your point? What different outcome do you want? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 3, 2020 Author Share Posted February 3, 2020 As usual you're making little sense.. It's a STANDARD document on how to do things correctly....throughout the World... Why can't you get you're head around "ALL CLEAR"? PINMEDOWN with a Big Flashing Red Hood still on....waiting for Scooter to Whip it off.... Gripper oblivious to the Red FLASHING Riding Hood... Rubber stamped by the HOPELESS RIU who knew they were IGNORING the tried and true process of the Starting Manual... That's the POINT...get it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 5 minutes ago, Thomass said: It's a STANDARD document on how to do things correctly....throughout the World. Except it isn't standard throughout the world. For example OZ, Hong Kong and Japan do it differently. Japan for instance have 2 barrier attendants per horse. No one holds a horse from a top of the barriers during a start. If you have observed recent starts throughout the country the mandatory minimum of eight attendants is not being met unless the starter is included in that number. 7 minutes ago, Thomass said: Why can't you get you're head around "ALL CLEAR"? Because it isn't a practical signal in that environment. There should also be a visual signal e.g. a flag. 11 minutes ago, Thomass said: Rubber stamped by the HOPELESS RIU who knew they were IGNORING the tried and true process of the Starting Manual... That's the POINT...get it? So what's your point? Do you want the manual changed to give the RIU a clear role behind the barriers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 BTW - "The Manual" doesn't mention the words "ALL CLEAR." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 4, 2020 Author Share Posted February 4, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Except it isn't standard throughout the world. For example OZ, Hong Kong and Japan do it differently. Japan for instance have 2 barrier attendants per horse. No one holds a horse from a top of the barriers during a start. If you have observed recent starts throughout the country the mandatory minimum of eight attendants is not being met unless the starter is included in that number. Because it isn't a practical signal in that environment. There should also be a visual signal e.g. a flag. So what's your point? Do you want the manual changed to give the RIU a clear role behind the barriers? Irrelevant....but it's 6 plus the Starter and Assistant...Boxing Day had 12/13 didn't they? Plenty enough anyway....Scooter even had one over there ready to take the Bright Red Flashing one off...that Gripper couldn't see... THE point is....blindingly simply obvious... If Gripper had've obeyed the Manual..we wouldn't be spanking the RIU Edited February 4, 2020 by Thomass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 23 minutes ago, Thomass said: Irrelevant....but it's 6 plus the Starter and Assistant The manual doesn't say that. 24 minutes ago, Thomass said: If Gripper had've obeyed the Manual..we wouldn't be spanking the RIU The manual doesn't say what signal has to be given. As far as manuals go it is flawed. 12 people wouldn't be sufficient for a full capacity 2400m field. Especially given all the exceptions made for poorly educated horses. Who approved blind folds, ear muffs and cuddle blankets anyway? All of those can be eliminated by better education. Geez why not use your approach and breed out those that do need them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All The Aces Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Have you asked yourself why both have resigned Chief? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 4, 2020 Author Share Posted February 4, 2020 25 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: The manual doesn't say that. The manual doesn't say what signal has to be given. As far as manuals go it is flawed. 12 people wouldn't be sufficient for a full capacity 2400m field. Especially given all the exceptions made for poorly educated horses. Who approved blind folds, ear muffs and cuddle blankets anyway? All of those can be eliminated by better education. Geez why not use your approach and breed out those that do need them. What's this...scotch mist? Its written in Sanskrit as well...so even a basic understanding only is required...ffs A minimum of eight Barrier Attendants shall work every race meeting in New Zealand unless authorised by the Stipendiary Stewards. This number can include the designated Assistant Starter and official Starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Just now, Thomass said: What's this...scotch mist? Its written in Sanskrit as well...so even a basic understanding only is required...ffs A minimum of eight Barrier Attendants shall work every race meeting in New Zealand unless authorised by the Stipendiary Stewards. This number can include the designated Assistant Starter and official Starter. Ok so you HAVE read it. No wonder the starters are distracted they only have six workers. Can you find the words "ALL CLEAR" in the manual? Or are you selective in what you read? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 4, 2020 Author Share Posted February 4, 2020 Please stop your nonsense now... This is about the RIU's acceptance and rubber stamping of a MASSIVE FAIL in Protocols... A Group race where Australians were watching and observing the catastrophic breakdown of basic Starting Shit 101... NZ were a laughing stock around the World and local trainers like David Greene...who missed a vital lead up race with his late scratching ...wanted a post race Blue Print going forward... When it was already in print The Starter's Manual... Written to PREVENT the BULLSHIT that eventuated... ...but circumvented by the Starters and RIU...in cahoots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Thomass said: .wanted a post race Blue Print going forward... When it was already in print The Starter's Manual... The "Blueprint Manual" is flawed. Greene wants it fixed. I realise your intellect is insufficient to suggest improvements but can you try? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 4, 2020 Author Share Posted February 4, 2020 Here's a brill idea... Get Gripper to ask Scooter...(sounds like potential kids show characters...or Keystone Kops scenario)... ...if he's all set to take the Big Red Flashing Hood off Red Riding Hood...then "Are we good to go Scooter"? CERTAINLY NOT the RIU's rubber stamping of "last one coming up...oops twose too many...Im confused" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 4, 2020 Author Share Posted February 4, 2020 17 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: The "Blueprint Manual" is flawed. Greene wants it fixed. I realise your intellect is insufficient to suggest improvements but can you try? The other thing the RIU's 'investigation' forgot to 'investigate' Was the Red Light's failure to 'light up'.... ...the fact many Jockeys didn't hear the 'siren'...J Mak included.... ...and after this modern 'tech' MASSIVELY FAILED... Where was the COTC...on his horse..with a red flag? Even an old fella in a white coat...with a red flag... that they used to have? Like old Blighty still has...bless her Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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