With A Dream Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 Update on Miki Now 2nd leading sire of 3year olds in USA. SBSW is leading sire so that makes Miki the leading 3 year old sire standing at stud Currently he has moved from 12th to 9th on list of leading 2 year old sires. Looking at Stats here and in USA the big disappointment is Sunshine Beach. Performing poorly in US despite large crops. He would be close to becoming non commercial I would think. Alabar appear to have dropped him from their offering. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrotsisback Posted August 22, 2021 Author Share Posted August 22, 2021 (edited) Thx for the latest update WAD. Reading an article on HRNZ today, that 1 of our value for money sires Downbyseaside had colic recently upon arrival in NZ. But has survived. Yikes. Was thinking Gamms after checking out Breckons yearling draft, gee can still remember the Guessing Game pick how much the highest lot will go for which doesn’t seem like that long ago! Time flying … ? Was $315k, be interesting to see if its surpassed or not … Read about a Lou horse that had won in States, don’t recall name, anyway they were saying how it cost only $50k they brought its 1/2 bro perhaps a year or 2 earlier ish for a whopping $800k (by SBSW). Yet the $50k has turned out to be the better buy at this stage. What caught my eye from article was the whopping USD800k! Didn’t realise harness horses went for that much. (sire exception). Edited August 22, 2021 by Karrotsisback Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrotsisback Posted August 22, 2021 Author Share Posted August 22, 2021 (edited) On 8/22/2021 at 11:15 AM, With A Dream said: Update on Miki Now 2nd leading sire of 3year olds in USA. SBSW is leading sire so that makes Miki the leading 3 year old sire standing at stud Currently he has moved from 12th to 9th on list of leading 2 year old sires. Looking at Stats here and in USA the big disappointment is Sunshine Beach. Performing poorly in US despite large crops. He would be close to becoming non commercial I would think. Alabar appear to have dropped him from their offering. Also reading today HRNZ they have Created a NEW position called Breeding Manager, to try to increase foal numbers. Think this is a positive idea, at least worth a try. What are your thoughts WAD or Poster M or anyone else? Think you are both breeders or have a passion for it. Any tips or ideas on how to get numbers back up? Good news that breeders have a direct breeders line into HRNZ now? Edited August 22, 2021 by Karrotsisback Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robalan Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 Who would want to breed horses in the current environment, bloody hard to make anything out of it. Good luck to Brad but I think he's in for a pretty rough job 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrotsisback Posted August 23, 2021 Author Share Posted August 23, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Robalan said: Who would want to breed horses in the current environment, bloody hard to make anything out of it. Good luck to Brad but I think he's in for a pretty rough job Hey Robalan hope lockdown is treating you well. (Karrots is starting to get cabin fever - very bored 😵) - flicking between BOAY & TV show, The White Lotus - set in Hawaii, Maui, Wailea. Oh brings back memories of living there Magical Maui - Brods now Im breaking my own rule just made yesterday lol opps, rumour was coming out of Nat conference that Key moving to retire there. Tip for BOAY posters if you go to Wailea 4 Seasons for example where the show is filmed or any or the other hotels along the Wailea boardwalk, you can go for lunch or dinner, no need to stay the nite, just take a towel same colour as the hotel towels (used to be white & blue) then just go hang out by the pool, go for a nice swim in pool hehe 😄 Anyway, Back to horsey talk. Isn’t Woodlands like just a hobby for them, their main thing is cows or something? Iv felt like sires are too much. That is why have focused on value for money BOAY list. The majority, those which make up the bottom of the pyramid, which is R40-R60 average horses make up 60% + this includes from ALL sires. Regardless of sire fee. Yes, realise that there is the odd horse that is brought at a high price at sales goes on with it & makes more than amount paid & trained etc. Eg Akuta most likely will be an example if not already. But how many more? Whats the percentage? While yes, those odd breeders that make big coin from those odd high price ones its great for them, but overall, would pulling in sires fees for breeders be a better longer term strategy? How could that be put in place? There is already a bulk order thing I think and maybe a semen thing or something 20% discount, which makes it more variable. Not saying Im right, just some thoughts off top of head. Come in Breeders 😄 Edited August 23, 2021 by Karrotsisback Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrotsisback Posted August 23, 2021 Author Share Posted August 23, 2021 With A Dream, could you pls Hurry up & get back ONLINE & come in. Brods hasn’t taken the bait, re Key packing up & retiring to Hawaii after selling his Parnell place grossly over sale value. Warning, Karrots has moved into such lockdown boredom that went & got a bottle of red wine today o no. Just giving a disclosure. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
With A Dream Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 Hey Karrots, Great idea. Perhaps they can match broodmare owners who can't afford or don't want to breed with people who want to breed but don't have a mare. The really big money at the sales seems to be largely for Bettors Delights that are nice types out of well performed mares either on the track or as broodmares. If you have a suitable mare in that category by Art Major, Christian Cullen, Mach Three or even American Ideal you would be mad not to breed. If you have a nice Bettors mare I would be going to Downbytheseaside, Captain Crunch, Sweet Lou or Always B Miki in that order. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
With A Dream Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 Don't breed myself, prefer to buy shares in horses from the sales. Always stick to Bettors but would consider a Downbytheseaside at the next sales 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
With A Dream Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 3 hours ago, Karrotsisback said: Key moving to retire there I know he sold his mansion but thought he built a new house on his old Tennis court or has he sold that too? Trouble with Hawaii, no harness racing 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrotsisback Posted August 23, 2021 Author Share Posted August 23, 2021 (edited) 47 minutes ago, With A Dream said: Hey Karrots, Great idea. Perhaps they can match broodmare owners who can't afford or don't want to breed with people who want to breed but don't have a mare. The really big money at the sales seems to be largely for Bettors Delights that are nice types out of well performed mares either on the track or as broodmares. If you have a suitable mare in that category by Art Major, Christian Cullen, Mach Three or even American Ideal you would be mad not to breed. If you have a nice Bettors mare I would be going to Downbytheseaside, Captain Crunch, Sweet Lou or Always B Miki in that order. Hey sorry Sweets, got myself into a bit of a brawl on the Gallops chat (which usually never go on, but got bored waiting lol), but all good can handle my own. Will respond to you properly tomorrow 😁 Edited August 23, 2021 by Karrotsisback 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrotsisback Posted August 24, 2021 Author Share Posted August 24, 2021 Yes excellent idea. There for sure would be broodmare owners out there that are trying to find a breeder for their mare. Or even ones that a stud e.g. Alabar or Woodlands has sent back, that then the owner needs to place mare. Could create a go-to-list of Broodmares available if there isn’t already one. Also to remember you brought this up & agree, that Black Type thing to be changed, altered or another category added. Oh no idea. The last I saw in news neighbours complaining as it was gathering up leaves, uninhabited for months & they were unhappy about it. Wait so your an owner too, well I never, was thinking breeder. Altho come to think of it, think I know which horsey you may have. If correct the trainer has hip-chic style - Karrots digs the shirts 👍. Will keep an eye out for when races again 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
With A Dream Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 2 hours ago, Karrotsisback said: f correct the trainer has hip-chic style - Karrots digs the shirts 👍. You are on to it Karrots. Will have one at trials as soon as they start up again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
With A Dream Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 2 hours ago, Karrotsisback said: that Black Type thing to be changed, altered or another category added. Not sure whose responsibility it is but it hasn't changed in at least 30 years so black type is now meaningless. Most pedigree pages full of black type performers no one would want to own. If you read this Gary Woodham please take note. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 On 23/08/2021 at 4:44 PM, Karrotsisback said: With A Dream, could you pls Hurry up & get back ONLINE & come in. Brods hasn’t taken the bait, re Key packing up & retiring to Hawaii after selling his Parnell place grossly over sale value. Warning, Karrots has moved into such lockdown boredom that went & got a bottle of red wine today o no. Just giving a disclosure. Brodie been too busy doing things! Great time to be doing stuff and it is great that so many believe that we need to stay at home! 0800 go get stuffed!, Businesses going broke, many partnerships under pressure and mental health issues in NZ growing far quicker than any deadly Delta Variant! Everyone whip out and get a dose of poison injected into yourself even though you have got no idea what is in it or what the consequences are going to be!! Your choice but yeah great idea to listen to such successful people! s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
With A Dream Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 3 minutes ago, Brodie said: Brodie been too busy doing things! Great time to be doing stuff and it is great that so many believe that we need to stay at home! 0800 go get stuffed!, Businesses going broke, many partnerships under pressure and mental health issues in NZ growing far quicker than any deadly Delta Variant! Everyone whip out and get a dose of poison injected into yourself even though you have got no idea what is in it or what the consequences are going to be!! Your choice but yeah great idea to listen to such successful people! s Your post would be more convincing if it didn't come from someone who believed the insane conspiracy theory that Trump won the 2020 election with no evidence at all. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 32 minutes ago, With A Dream said: Your post would be more convincing if it didn't come from someone who believed the insane conspiracy theory that Trump won the 2020 election with no evidence at all. WAD, you can believe what you want, it is nkt any conspiracy theory! It was voter fraud on a huge scale, but then the Americans desrve what they get from the stupid old Git for allowing it to happen when they allowed such a crazy system with that mail in voting!! Watch the stupid incompetent geriatric continue to be incoherent and then the even more dangerous Harris steps up and causes even more mayhem! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrotsisback Posted August 24, 2021 Author Share Posted August 24, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Brodie said: Brodie been too busy doing things! Great time to be doing stuff and it is great that so many believe that we need to stay at home! 0800 go get stuffed!, Businesses going broke, many partnerships under pressure and mental health issues in NZ growing far quicker than any deadly Delta Variant! Everyone whip out and get a dose of poison injected into yourself even though you have got no idea what is in it or what the consequences are going to be!! Your choice but yeah great idea to listen to such successful people! On no took the bait, that was very naughty of Karrots doing that yesterday, bordering on getting sent to the sin-bin for time out, sorry bout that Brods, Saw this good interview out yesterday, link attached Breckon Farms, seems like a good guy. Anyway they are not naming their horses this yearling sale, said also neither are Woodlands. Thinking this is a good idea. They have plans/hoping to expand to re breeding. https://www.hrnz.co.nz/news/one-on-one-ken-breckon/ Edited August 24, 2021 by Karrotsisback 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
With A Dream Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 2 hours ago, Brodie said: WAD, you can believe what you want, it is nkt any conspiracy theory! Gee what convinced you that it isn't a conspiracy theory? Was it the 60 law suites that got thrown out because Trumps lawyers turned up at court without any evidence? Or was it the claims of machines flipping votes by Sidney Powell who is being sued for defamation and whose own lawyers are arguing that it wasn't defamation, not because it is true, but that her claims are so outrageous no reasonable person could take them seriously. Or is it that thousands of dead people voted, accept Trumps lawyers could only find 11 cases that they contested and later found out 10 of those people were actually still alive and the 11th case fraudulently voted twice for Trump. Or was it the ballot dumps in the middle of the night. Their star witness was a person who claimed because the truck delivering food to the ballot counters short delivered their meals the rest of the truck must have contained fake ballot papers. When asked if she had seen fake ballots she said no. When asked if she had actually seen the truck she said no. Did any of her co workers see the truck, no Or perhaps it was the pillow guy who displayed a whole lot of numbers and claimed it was proof of fraud, accept nobody at his symposium claimed to understand what they meant and embarrassingly his own experts admitted the figures didn't show any fraud. The only reason some people think the election was stolen was that the guy that lost said it was. Don't worry Brodie, I'm sure you are a fan of the pillow guy and believe Trump will be re instated in 2021 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
With A Dream Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Karrotsisback said: not naming their horses this yearling sale, said also neither are Woodlands. I think Woodlands may have left them unnamed this year. This will catch on I believe and a good thing too. It's nice to have input into the name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 21 minutes ago, With A Dream said: Gee what convinced you that it isn't a conspiracy theory? Was it the 60 law suites that got thrown out because Trumps lawyers turned up at court without any evidence? Or was it the claims of machines flipping votes by Sidney Powell who is being sued for defamation and whose own lawyers are arguing that it wasn't defamation, not because it is true, but that her claims are so outrageous no reasonable person could take them seriously. Or is it that thousands of dead people voted, accept Trumps lawyers could only find 11 cases that they contested and later found out 10 of those people were actually still alive and the 11th case fraudulently voted twice for Trump. Or was it the ballot dumps in the middle of the night. Their star witness was a person who claimed because the truck delivering food to the ballot counters short delivered their meals the rest of the truck must have contained fake ballot papers. When asked if she had seen fake ballots she said no. When asked if she had actually seen the truck she said no. Did any of her co workers see the truck, no Or perhaps it was the pillow guy who displayed a whole lot of numbers and claimed it was proof of fraud, accept nobody at his symposium claimed to understand what they meant and embarrassingly his own experts admitted the figures didn't show any fraud. The only reason some people think the election was stolen was that the guy that lost said it was. Don't worry Brodie, I'm sure you are a fan of the pillow guy and believe Trump will be re instated in 2021 Do you really believe that so many stupid yanks would be capable of voting for a senile geriatric that doesnt know who he is, to be President? There is heaps of evidence to prove it was voter fraud big time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
With A Dream Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 17 minutes ago, Brodie said: Do you really believe that so many stupid yanks would be capable of voting for a senile geriatric that doesnt know who he is, to be President? There were 75million who were stupid enough to vote for Trump and 80+ million who would have voted for a dead person if it was a choice between someone dead and Trump. The scary thing is they are the sane ones. 21 minutes ago, Brodie said: There is heaps of evidence to prove it was voter fraud big time! Really?. What evidence do you have that nobody else has been able to come up with apart from outright lies? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrotsisback Posted August 26, 2021 Author Share Posted August 26, 2021 (edited) Well now had to share this article 😍 - how adorable are these 2. Finally Lou (offspring) gets a proper write up. https://www.hrnz.co.nz/news/a-sweet-combination/ PS be great to a few more sires get a turn too at a nice article now its about to head into breeding season 😃 Edited August 26, 2021 by Karrotsisback Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
With A Dream Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 2 hours ago, Karrotsisback said: Well now had to share this article 😍 - how adorable are these 2. Finally Lou (offspring) gets a proper write up. https://www.hrnz.co.nz/news/a-sweet-combination/ PS be great to a few more sires get a turn too at a nice article now its about to head into breeding season 😃 Right you are Karrots. One thing I wonder about, is fresh semen better than frozen when it comes to chances of breeding a quality horse ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrotsisback Posted August 26, 2021 Author Share Posted August 26, 2021 1 hour ago, With A Dream said: Right you are Karrots. One thing I wonder about, is fresh semen better than frozen when it comes to chances of breeding a quality horse ? Truely no idea. Have never looked nor studied it. Someone else might have an idea ... Trying to strike an age group champ or open class horse isn’t it either flat out luck like getting a lotto lucky dip (except the cost of ticket is thousands oppose $1) or strategic luck where you have a top broodmare e.g. Adore Me & then breed from her. Take a look at Lous top performers, just as those are ones Iv followed: Sweet On Me & sis Darling Me Virgil & bro Aladdin Sugar Me Sprit of St Lou Fabrizio All are from top families and/or a branch within a top family tree. Dam-sires are Bettors, Art Major & Christian Cullen. The majority, rest Lous, whilst clearing maidens quickly, soon fall into the majority of R40-R60. (And of course also have a percent that are above average). Heres the example on strategic luck as Spirit of St Lou open class same family tree different branch as Doctor Love 1 win. So if one wants to increase odds (strategic luck) breed from a top family/branch. Of course most likely know this therefore, costs to get into these families are thousands. (Sugar Me’s) 1/2 sis at weanling sale last year was in top 3 most expensive $50k a filly by Downbyseaside sold to Stonewall Stud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
With A Dream Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 Good points. SBSW had a very low fertility rate in NZ so obviously some stallions semen seems to retain its qualities better than others as far as conception rates go. I like to stay on the safe side and buy into horses whose sires shuttle here. Captaint is the standout sire in the US and only available in NZ with frozen semen and doesn't appear to be performing nearly as well here. On the flip side the same could be said for Sweet Lou, though to a lesser extent and he does stand here. Just shows success in US is no guarantee of similar results here. It seems those Bettors mares haven't yet found a stallion they click with to rival Bettors Delight himself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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