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25 minutes ago, Joe Bloggs said:

We should ask Lance. How the hell did he get away with it for so long? And we never did learn what was in the package that David Hayes received from the USA that was wrongfully delivered to him.........and of course we had the scandal at HRNSW all those years back when the Gleeson's were disqualified for life along with the swabbing steward and the senior steward who was tipping them off what horses were to be swabbed ,,,,,,and when........it's a long piece of string Curious, and IMO it's a synthetic now, so the metabolites will be vastly different to the early version.

Joe you should get a part-time gig writing for Peter Profit or at least go on a retainer for spruiking his rubbish journalism.

Looking at the science of Human Recombinant Erythropoietin it seems to me to be unlikely that it has any effect on a horse for a number of reasons. 

1. Surely you would have to inject a shyte load to get an effect;
2. There is a high risk that the immune system of a horse would reject the EPO as the equivalent horse protein isn't close to being the same;
3. You couldn't guarantee the timing of it working - so you couldn't effectively target a particular race;
4. A horse's blood circulatory system is quite different to a human's with the spleen being a huge reservoir of blood that is released in reaction to a flight or fight response (possibly a reason for EIPH);
5. etc.

The Gleeson disqualification that was for race fixing where he allegedly tampered with the hopples of one of his horses prior to a race causing them to break.  You may have been referring to the Atkinson case which involved the avoidance of swabbing. 

The metabolites of EPO being "vastly different to the early version" that isn't the case as the active is the protein that stimulates the production of red blood cells.  If it is synthetically produced then it is conceivably easier to detect than naturally produced EPO because it will have chemical fingerprints that are not natural.  Afterall EPO is an essential peptide hormone necessary for life to continue.  That in itself is part of the problem with EPO as it is naturally occurring.  

EPO testing has advanced significantly since Armstrong's days and it would be very very unlikely that the RIB testing regime couldn't pick it up especially if they were looking for it on the basis of allegations made.

Getting back to the Woodend Boys allegation, all Peter Profit has done, which is what he has always done, is bookmark a story from March, waited a few months and then puffed some life back into by repeating the allegation and adding inference, supposition and innuendo.  That's his modus operandi and it helps sells subscriptions.  No evidence as such.  As far as I know EPO isn't that easy to manufacture and would have had to have been imported.  That importation process in itself would have to be sophisticated and expensive to avoid detection.

Yeah na..... unless the RIB announce in the next week that they have found something then Profit is just blowing smoke.

[Joe Bloggs]

You are naive Chief, and I'm being polite, you just wouldn't know. You've spent too much time with the small bloke who specialises in sartorial fuck ups. EPO has been imported for yonks, you're just not close enough to know, and it does things to horses that it did to Lance.........and it kills, when cruel fuck wits try to make their horses run through brick walls.......

You get a lot right, and I'm not saying Archie is 100% with the Woodend job, but where there's smoke there's fire, Ray Paulick proved that.

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37 minutes ago, Joe Bloggs said:

You are naive Chief, and I'm being polite, you just wouldn't know.

Well it appears that the Feds don't know either.  Perhaps you could share you anecdotal evidence with them or do you have something more substantial than inference and innuendo?

37 minutes ago, Joe Bloggs said:

EPO has been imported for yonks, you're just not close enough to know, and it does things to horses that it did to Lance

Says who?  Show me the science that it "does things to horses that it did to Lance"?  The only thing it can do is increase the number of red blood cells over what is normal.  

37 minutes ago, Joe Bloggs said:

You get a lot right, and I'm not saying Archie is 100% with the Woodend job, but where there's smoke there's fire, Ray Paulick proved that.

Then you are implying that the Border Feds and the Racing Feds are inept.

As for naivety well Joe you believe Peter Profit has found smoke in the absence of any evidence.  

[Joe Bloggs]

The Border Feds are probably overworked and over tired, you should know only 20% of contraband is ever detected, and as for the racing Feds, inept? you're being too kind, and if you doubt the veracity of EPO then Lance went to all that trouble for nought, oh and a bloke called Richard Laming thought it might do something eh?, a good lawyer named Tim McHenry got Robert Smerdon off an EPO or he'd have been a cooked goose, EPO is a turd used by turds, it's a killer, the red blood cell count goes through the roof, heart attacks, and one day [I Hope] it all hit's the fan and a lot of turds go to gaol. One day I'll tell you how it moves good horses to another level, promise, not quite yet though......

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On 28/11/2021 at 1:58 PM, Joe Bloggs said:

The Border Feds are probably overworked and over tired, you should know only 20% of contraband is ever detected, and as for the racing Feds, inept? you're being too kind, and if you doubt the veracity of EPO then Lance went to all that trouble for nought, oh and a bloke called Richard Laming thought it might do something eh?, a good lawyer named Tim McHenry got Robert Smerdon off an EPO or he'd have been a cooked goose, EPO is a turd used by turds, it's a killer, the red blood cell count goes through the roof, heart attacks, and one day [I Hope] it all hit's the fan and a lot of turds go to gaol. One day I'll tell you how it moves good horses to another level, promise, not quite yet though......

More innuendo, assertion and supposition.  Where's the evidence?

Who in NZ Thoroughbred Racing are doing it? 

[Joe Bloggs]

Not innuendo, horse doping is as old as the hills, our next door neighbour was doing it 50 years ago, Ginner Hart, your probably far to young to remember, but here in Oz Richard Laming was stupid enough to get caught, maybe the policing by NZTR/RIU is so good anyone contemplating such is too damn scared???? NZ leads the racing world with transparency and integrity and pre race testing is so thorough and constant that it's not worth the risk, plus of course the huge prize money on offer, .........

The 'red hots' might be a different scenario, and you could email Archie and ask him why he's targeted Woodend.......he might be an insomniac that sits up til all hours thinking up stories, he seems to be more switched on to the trotters, is he being fed porkies by disenchanted standardbred folk?  It's worth an ask.

 

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15 minutes ago, Joe Bloggs said:

? NZ leads the racing world with transparency and integrity and pre race testing is so thorough and constant that it's not worth the risk, plus of course the huge prize money on offer

You forgot the sarcasm font.

[Joe Bloggs]

Bugger.