Dougie Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 56 minutes ago, Brodie said: Lol Well done to Don Burrows, Cross Dresser! He had the horse in a trot before the start and it worked for him! Just shows the amateurs can be better than the professionals! Well spotted. Love results like this for the little battler, good on him for getting on and driving the horse BUT lets be fair dinkum, it was a standing start for 8 horses and a 15/20 meter running start for Silverlinings. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Nowornever said: Lol thanks Forbury and Brodie. A tip for everyone. Just back the opposite of what Forbury and Brodie say. Brodie is rarely on the money and Forbury even worse. To be fair your name gives it away! For you, I would say NEVER! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 9 minutes ago, Dougie said: Well spotted. Love results like this for the little battler, good on him for getting on and driving the horse BUT lets be fair dinkum, it was a standing start for 8 horses and a 15/20 meter running start for Silverlinings. I disagree. Sure the horse was walking forward and being steered around the outside horse in that front row at a fast walk up. But it was a GREAT START for all the 9 horses who ALL trotted away , and a great display by the starter and ALL the drivers . Excellent stuff. no interference to anyone or anything. Great lot of drivers in Race 4 Waimate today. They put up a good showing on average class trotters. very good racing. !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 53 minutes ago, Forbury said: Not on the money this time I was Lol the horse had a run up start, not s STAND! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, Gammalite said: I disagree. Sure the horse was walking forward and being steered around the outside horse in that front row at a fast walk up. But it was a GREAT START for all the 9 horses who ALL trotted away , and a great display by the starter and ALL the drivers . Excellent stuff. no interference to anyone or anything. Great lot of drivers in Race 4 Waimate today. They put up a good showing on average class trotters. very good racing. !! Gsmma, it was in a bloody trot, not a walk at all!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 1 minute ago, Brodie said: Lol the horse had a run up start, not s STAND! Horse trotted away 9th . there was 9 runners. No advantage gained. 1 horse broke after 100m which was the first one it passed. Was Nothing wrong with the start as per my previous post above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, Gammalite said: I disagree. Sure the horse was walking forward and being steered around the outside horse in that front row at a fast walk up. But it was a GREAT START for all the 9 horses who ALL trotted away , and a great display by the starter and ALL the drivers . Excellent stuff. no interference to anyone or anything. Great lot of drivers in Race 4 Waimate today. They put up a good showing on average class trotters. very good racing. !! It's a standing start, some days they make them stand still other days a walk up is allowed... I prefer a walk up but who cares the rules are the rules so as a punter you know what you're getting..... Silverlinings with her manners was given a huge advantage in that start today, it's as plain as the nose of your face. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Dougie said: It's a standing start, some days they make them stand still other days a walk up is allowed... I prefer a walk up but who cares the rules are the rules so as a punter you know what you're getting..... Silverlinings with her manners was given a huge advantage in that start today, it's as plain as the nose of your face. Wasn't it Excellent !!!! ALL 9 trotters trotting away compared to the normal shambles you get from the stupid stands they persist with , when there's a perfectly good mobile barrier parked nearby. They're all trotting away in this Waimate race !! excellent !! . and you guys still complain . hehehehe Edited March 27, 2022 by Gammalite 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 4 minutes ago, Gammalite said: Horse trotted away 9th . there was 9 runners. No advantage gained. 1 horse broke after 100m which was the first one it passed. Was Nothing wrong with the start as per my previous post above. Lol. Was it standing as it was a Standing Start!!!!! Well done to Burrows he got the horse away which other professionals couldnt!!! The truth of the matter is that he got away with it a d you are right the standing starts are just a damn lottery!! Had the starter made Silver Linings start from a stand, it probably would have galloped, but it is what it is, and he got the win! If the starter asked whether Silver Linings gained an advantage at the start, he would have to say YES as he was NOT STANDING! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 5 minutes ago, Brodie said: Lol. Was it standing as it was a Standing Start!!!!! Well done to Burrows he got the horse away which other professionals couldnt!!! The truth of the matter is that he got away with it a d you are right the standing starts are just a damn lottery!! Had the starter made Silver Linings start from a stand, it probably would have galloped, but it is what it is, and he got the win! If the starter asked whether Silver Linings gained an advantage at the start, he would have to say YES as he was NOT STANDING! They walk forward in the NZ Cup the last few years , rather than have a heap of them miss away , how good ??? yes indeed. Horses don't like standing still for an extended period of time. You ALL know that too ?? I drove about 250 stand races. We had to park our horses head over the tape nearly , so the back row horses were not 'Too Far Back' from us at the tape release moment. way harder than anything you see these days. It's a TRICKY BUSINESS , you have shorteners on the hopples and all sorts of things to worry about, as you get going. The race today you complain about IMO , was SUPER super super good. Better than those big fields with them all cannoning in to each other and that sort of thing. You complain today ? you'd complain about anything ?? oh ...wait on ..... lol........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Gammalite said: They walk forward in the NZ Cup the last few years , rather than have a heap of them miss away , how good ??? yes indeed. Horses don't like standing still for an extended period of time. You ALL know that too ?? I drove about 250 stand races. We had to park our horses head over the tape nearly , so the back row horses were not 'Too Far Back' from us at the tape release moment. way harder than anything you see these days. It's a TRICKY BUSINESS , you have shorteners on the hopples and all sorts of things to worry about, as you get going. The race today you complain about IMO , was SUPER super super good. Better than those big fields with them all cannoning in to each other and that sort of thing. You complain today ? you'd complain about anything ?? oh ...wait on ..... lol........ Gamma we have discussed this many many times and get the same answer! Is it a standing start for all? Is it a stand for most but for some they are allowed to be moving up? Or is a standing start a mix of standing, walking or charging? The truth of the matter is today Silver Linings gained a huge advantage over all of the others and the fact that it was in a trot already was the reason the horse began as it did! The fact it won today still doesnt alter the fact that it is a PIG from a STANDING START rather than a trot up start! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, Brodie said: Gamma we have discussed this many many times and get the same answer! Is it a standing start for all? Is it a stand for most but for some they are allowed to be moving up? Or is a standing start a mix of standing, walking or charging? The truth of the matter is today Silver Linings gained a huge advantage over all of the others and the fact that it was in a trot already was the reason the horse began as it did! The fact it won today still doesnt alter the fact that it is a PIG from a STANDING START rather than a trot up start! Fact of the matter is I watched the Video. ....SilverLinings trotted away 9th . It was a 9 horse field. All 9 horses handicap was off the front. All 9 trotted off the mark . 4 x Facts for you. Any advantage you think he had or got at the start is In Your Head. probably After slandering him with this thread ?? asking him to be banned/ barred you're just reacting because he trotted away and Won. The world isn't ending mate because you're wrong. Congrats to the horses connections , and well done Mr Starter !!!!! great to see the whole field trot away well. Bad Luck with your call of Silverlinings Mr Brodster. Better Luck next time. When you get some gallopers maybe. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 9 minutes ago, Gammalite said: Fact of the matter is I watched the Video. ....SilverLinings trotted away 9th . It was a 9 horse field. All 9 horses handicap was off the front. All 9 trotted off the mark . 4 x Facts for you. Any advantage you think he had or got at the start is In Your Head. probably After slandering him with this thread ?? asking him to be banned/ barred you're just reacting because he trotted away and Won. The world isn't ending mate because you're wrong. Congrats to the horses connections , and well done Mr Starter !!!!! great to see the whole field trot away well. Bad Luck with your call of Silverlinings Mr Brodster. Better Luck next time. When you get some gallopers maybe. Gamma, the horse got a trot up start! How am I wrong? Because I thought the horse wouldnt trot the whole way? Off course the world hasnt ended, it has changed though due to Silver Linings winning from a trot up start! Didnt invest in that race, did get 2 good collects from 2 on the day though, so pretty profitable! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicBlacki Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 2 hours ago, Brodie said: Lol the horse had a run up start, not s STAND! Never condemn a horse till it’s 6ft in the ground. Credit where credit’s due, it put the odd rough one in up the straight as well when he went for it but who knows it any better than the owner trainer. Good on him 👍 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 15 minutes ago, CosmicBlacki said: Never condemn a horse till it’s 6ft in the ground. Credit where credit’s due, it put the odd rough one in up the straight as well when he went for it but who knows it any better than the owner trainer. Good on him 👍 Totally agree Cosmic! A driver with a UDR of .0431 was good enough to get the hkrse away from a so called standing start and controlled it without it galloping! To be fair the biggest problem with it was getting it to actuslly want to trot away! The big difference today was that the starter allowed to actually start trotting before the tapes were released, which was the difference! If Silver Linings was made to stand then that would have probably made a huge difference. At the end of the day Burrows won with it and the TAB paid out! The fact remains so many standing starts are just an absolute lottery. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicBlacki Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 Which brings up a far bigger issue. Time to get rid of standing starts? Except for the NZ Cup maybe? Even? Victoria has, and to no detriment to them. In todays hustle and bustle, instant gratification society, I’d say yes. Fair start for everybody. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 2 hours ago, CosmicBlacki said: Which brings up a far bigger issue. Time to get rid of standing starts? Except for the NZ Cup maybe? Even? Victoria has, and to no detriment to them. In todays hustle and bustle, instant gratification society, I’d say yes. Fair start for everybody. I agree ,get rid of standing starts. A blight on harness racing and will never attract punters outside the I industry while we have standing starts 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowornever Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 2 hours ago, Richie said: I agree ,get rid of standing starts. A blight on harness racing and will never attract punters outside the I industry while we have standing starts And you would lose a lot of punters too if the industry in the south turned into a mobile leader biased 1.50 favourite shitathon. Just look at Auckland. I stopped betting there years ago. The only time you get a decent price up there is when the drivers set one up. At least with the standing starts you have a chance of the favourites breaking and getting a decent dividend especially on grass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 49 minutes ago, Nowornever said: And you would lose a lot of punters too if the industry in the south turned into a mobile leader biased 1.50 favourite shitathon. Just look at Auckland. I stopped betting there years ago. The only time you get a decent price up there is when the drivers set one up. At least with the standing starts you have a chance of the favourites breaking and getting a decent dividend especially on grass. So the theory is , for punters , you want them to hope the horses they haven't got on their tickets gallop out the back ? That is ONE harsh betting strategy. ...... Punters that desparate they need the opponents to make mistakes to win anything . what has the sport become. ? good grief. What goes round , comes round. I could never wish bad luck/manners/ starts on the opposition. You don't want your horse galloping out the back so why wish it on opponents?. for the sake of a few dollars ? what ? Whether I'm betting, driving in the race or whatever, That would be almost like wishing injuries to your opponents in a footy match. just not right somehow. competitive playing field for all (and FAIR start for all runners in any event makes it a BETTER SPECTACLE ) As a harness fan I'm much more keen to see the 'whole' field race togeather and NOT see the good ones (e.g like Muscle Mountain lately) or even the dodgey ones (like Silver Linings today) gallop out the back , whether I'm betting or not. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicBlacki Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 8 hours ago, Nowornever said: And you would lose a lot of punters too if the industry in the south turned into a mobile leader biased 1.50 favourite shitathon. Just look at Auckland. I stopped betting there years ago. The only time you get a decent price up there is when the drivers set one up. At least with the standing starts you have a chance of the favourites breaking and getting a decent dividend especially on grass. Disagree strongly with that idea NON. TAB is turnover based so the more people win, the better the return and they reinvest. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowornever Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 8 hours ago, Gammalite said: That is ONE harsh betting strategy Well it is one I use to great effect and I am betting Brodie does too. If you are any good at punting you know which horses are most likely to break and can eliminate them from your bets and vice versa you know which ones can step and can be confident on. The difference between a good punter who knows everything about the runners including their stepping ability and someone who just backs the favourite is the favourite backers lose money. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowornever Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 26 into 7.00 tonight. Outsiders crunching in to much lower odds before race start. Rule number one: If it is tipped out on boys get paid ignore it! I will be more gobsmacked than Brodie if it wins tonight. I am backing against it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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