Ghost Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 You don’t take advice full stop not even from someone paying premium You analyse to pick winners Benny analyses to make profit Name calling only emphasise’s how well and truly defeated you are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 Who the f is benny? Im always open to advice...but I don't listen to dickheads who think a fast maiden win is better than a Black Type 3rd...like woddy wank and Bogan Bazz do Otherwise Breeders would change their Catologue protocols and have Mile Rates instead of Bold Type ...now F off back to your amatuer comps you amatuer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, Thomass said: Who the f is benny? ...now F off back to your amatuer comps you amatuer Rod Hill Benny Hill WTF man do you need everything spelt out to ewe!!! There’s a lot of classy respectable people over there including CS unlike yourself Thomass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted August 10, 2018 Author Share Posted August 10, 2018 More ignorance. Black type is a simple classification to give an indication, since there is no simple way for people like you to understand anything else. And only a nutter would think mile rates could mean anything in a breeding catalogue since times vary massively from track to track and condition of track. How could people like you understand them since there would be no information available to give an indication of the relative merit. You really come across as mentally deficient. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 Well that makes sense... Benny used to run around in circles a lot..chasing skirt and never getting there... Youd think by now benny could work out a measurement called Pi that would easily show the pointless ground he's covered... ...but he's too thick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted August 10, 2018 Author Share Posted August 10, 2018 25 minutes ago, Thomass said: Youd think by now benny could work out a measurement called Pi that would easily show the pointless ground he's covered... We saw the effect of Pi and the effect of Black Type racing very clearly with Firebird Flyer. What a classic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 1 hour ago, mardigras said: More ignorance. Black type is a simple classification to give an indication, since there is no simple way for people like you to understand anything else. And only a nutter would think mile rates could mean anything in a breeding catalogue since times vary massively from track to track and condition of track. How could people like you understand them since there would be no information available to give an indication of the relative merit. You really come across as mentally deficient. This is simply hilarious... You were the one comparing Vega Magic's time on a soft track listed race to its Blinkers On good track G1 form when leading... ...on a VERY WINDY DAY where no other leaders won because of it... You then had the audacity to say the other race was a better performance...purely because of the time...taking no account of the race day conditions.... It seems you should take your own advice...times "vary massively" and instead take mine...."Black Type is a constant" ...that's why Breeders use it and not fastest times like you do ignoramus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 42 minutes ago, Thomass said: This is simply hilarious... You were the one comparing Vega Magic's time on a soft track listed race to its Blinkers On good track G1 form when leading... ...on a VERY WINDY DAY where no other leaders won because of it... You then had the audacity to say the other race was a better performance...purely because of the time...taking no account of the race day conditions.... It seems you should take your own advice...times "vary massively" and instead take mine...."Black Type is a constant" ...that's why Breeders use it and not fastest times like you do ignoramus How are you going with that remedial primary school maths Thommo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 50 minutes ago, Thomass said: and instead take mine...."Black Type is a constant" No it's not. Pi is a constant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelTheFear Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 1 minute ago, curious said: No it's not. Pi is a constant. Tommy 'Two Fingers' fires off these words he just learnt like pi because... both he and pi are irrational. It all adds up, he doesn't have a math problem as such, his drug is the rush of the argument. Unfortunately addiction often leads one way...downhill. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 FTF, I'm wondering if we could get him to divide 22 by 7 and keep going till he reaches a rational number. The odds of success would be similar to the chance of him producing any rational ideas but it might keep him occupied for a few days. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted August 10, 2018 Author Share Posted August 10, 2018 50 minutes ago, curious said: No it's not. Pi is a constant. He isn't constant either. He writes endlessly on how class of race relates to superior form. And then writes endlessly on how blinkers on makes horses run faster. So he now wants us to believe that Vega Magic ran best ever with blinkers on, which is saying that a G3 win is better than his G1 wins. Keep this up and he may soon realise that a maiden performance can also be better than a R85 performance. Who knew? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelTheFear Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 26 minutes ago, curious said: FTF, I'm wondering if we could get him to divide 22 by 7 and keep going till he reaches a rational number. The odds of success would be similar to the chance of him producing any rational ideas but it might keep him occupied for a few days. Now we just need to find a horse that was 3.14159 lengths behind the winner last start, preferably with blinkers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, curious said: How are you going with that remedial primary school maths Thommo? This is simply extraordinary stuff... π is ubiquitous and I'd take a wild stab and say it's THE most widely known mathematical constant... ...besides my Sis is a High School Maths teacher and she has no trouble teaching year 8 Students this basic formula...and how to apply it to circly race track thingys Why did your bff think there was no quantitative measure for this I wonder? Did he not go past Year 8? Edited August 10, 2018 by Thomass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted August 10, 2018 Author Share Posted August 10, 2018 Pi and any things that relate to Pi is not the issue. It's your application of it in a race situation that is comical. Harness horses will often be affected by 6 times+ the amount of extra distance compared to a thoroughbred when they race two wide. Yet in that case you claim your 'formula' does not apply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 39 minutes ago, FeelTheFear said: Now we just need to find a horse that was 3.14159 lengths behind the winner last start, preferably with blinkers. And also preferably one that raced 3 wide without cover in its last start, so we can apply the PI formula. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 22 minutes ago, Thomass said: ...besides my Sis is a High School Maths teacher and she has no trouble teaching year 8 Students this basic formula...and how to apply it to circly race track thingys Great news that someone in the family passed primary school maths. Why don't you ask her to explain the ecological fallacy to you. I've given up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelTheFear Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 1 minute ago, curious said: And also preferably one that raced 3 wide without cover in its last start, so we can apply the PI formula. The racecourse not being a circle, one would probably approximate on an oval therefore C = 2 x π x √((a2 + b2) ÷ 2). Do we factor in pi in regards to the barrier draw? Just trying to fine down my ratings. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, FeelTheFear said: The racecourse not being a circle, one would probably approximate on an oval therefore C = 2 x π x √((a2 + b2) ÷ 2). Do we factor in pi in regards to the barrier draw? Just trying to fine down my ratings. I suppose that would depend on whether the start is on a bend or in a straight and if the latter, how close to the first turn and if the former, how close to the next straight? I think you'll need quite a few more variables in there to get a good approximation. Thommo will probably be able to help though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelTheFear Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 Te Awamutu course would be hell to do, perhaps Mr T. will give his secrets away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 I'd just go with C = 2 x π x √((a2 + b2) ÷ 2) + (1 x barrier draw) for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted August 10, 2018 Author Share Posted August 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, curious said: I'd just go with C = 2 x π x √((a2 + b2) ÷ 2) + (1 x barrier draw) for now. You haven't factored in adding a impact of wind based on speed and direction. Some serious trig involved there. And adding in the height of the jockey above the horse when riding. Also, the degree of any track camber has to be factored in - apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 Crap, this is getting complicated. We should have a serious advantage if we can work it out though. I guess you'd have to add in whether or not the jockeys were wearing speed silks or not as well in calculating the wind resistance factor. Is that reported anywhere? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelTheFear Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 (edited) One important fact is the actual physical width of each individual horse. Two wide would be width of horse 1 plus width of horse (halved) 2 plus distance between horses plus distance between first horse and rail Edited August 10, 2018 by FeelTheFear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted August 10, 2018 Author Share Posted August 10, 2018 (edited) Busy day today - and armed with the new rules from Thomass. We are going to have a great day. Here are just a few of the races to start with. Let's see how we go. Even added some comments to help the punters. actualtrack race # runnername class superior recent class comment Riccarton Park 2 8 AJAY TEE MDN LR From a 1.6L LR down to a maiden. This will be a walk in the park. Riccarton Park 2 12 LET HER RIP RILEY MDN SPEC MDN Riccarton Park 3 1 AMUN RA BM72 OPEN/multiple 5th in a G2 HB Guineas and a 3rd beaten 1L in the Open Waimate Cup. Easy Riccarton Park 3 2 MANHATTAN STREET BM72 OPEN/multiple 4.6L off them in an Open race in the Nth Island. Only bad luck beats him Riccarton Park 3 3 KENSINGTON BM72 BM85 HQ form in R85. Ready to pounce. Riccarton Park 3 5 GALWAY GARRY BM72 BM80 Strong run is superior class. Looks the goods. Riccarton Park 3 6 WISE MOVE BM72 OPEN A 1.2L 4th in a Open race. What beats him wins. Riccarton Park 4 1 LOCALLY SAUCED BM72 OPEN/multiple Riccarton Park 4 2 WHAT'S UP ALF BM72 OPEN/multiple Riccarton Park 4 3 THE MAN BM72 BM82 Proven handles the quick backup. Can't lose. Riccarton Park 4 4 HAND IT TO JONESY BM72 OPEN/multiple 0.4L off the winner in the Whyte Hcp. With the addition of the Tongue Tie,, this will be a doddle. Riccarton Park 4 5 SATIN GURU BM72 BM85 R85 performer if you please. What more do you need to know? Riccarton Park 4 7 LADY BEALEY BM72 BM85 Superior performer. Forgive last start - was wide! Riccarton Park 4 8 LIN BM72 BM80 Riccarton Park 4 9 SPIDER LILY BM72 BM90/multiple You only have to read the stipes report when beaten 3L in a R90 to know this one won't lose. "Over-raced in the early stages. Hung for the majority of the event and lost ground near the 700 metres when making the bend awkwardly. Held up over the final 50 metres" Pukekohe 2 4 SMEDLEY BM72 OPEN Who could forget this horse winning the Whangarei Gold Cup - twice! Blinkers off today - get on. Pukekohe 2 7 SHE'S ALL CLANG BM72 OPEN 2nd Te Awamutu Cup - now ina R72. How easy is this. Pukekohe 2 8 WHERE ARE YOU BM72 BM85 Injured from a 2.4L R85 event. Back racing and showing the right signs. Riccarton Park 5 1 TABARD BM72 BM82 Riccarton Park 5 2 KING COUGAR BM72 BM82 Riccarton Park 5 3 KENSINGTON BM72 BM85 HQ form in R85. Ready to pounce. Riccarton Park 5 4 MR CONDUCTOR BM72 OPEN/multiple Riccarton Park 5 5 THE CZAR BM72 BM80 Riccarton Park 5 7 ISHINKTAATLEDO BM72 BM85 Riccarton Park 5 8 VICE MARSHALL BM72 OPEN/multiple Riccarton Park 5 15 FREE AND EASY BM72 BM82 Blinkers On - racetrack certainty. Feel The Fear - if this wins, it will be all because of the blinkers! Pukekohe 3 1 MIGHTY ME BM72 BM85 Pukekohe 3 2 SOLMIZATION BM72 BM85 Blinkers on today. Margin will be huge. Pukekohe 3 5 SANTA MONICA BM72 BM85 Pukekohe 3 6 MIDNIGHT RUNNER BM72 LR/multiple 4.9L off them in a LR and very unlucky. Head to the back of the tote. Pukekohe 3 10 MYRCELLA BM72 BM85 Riccarton Park 7 3 SALAMANCA OPEN G3/multiple A G3 performer against this lot? Riccarton Park 7 4 TWOZNOTENOUGH OPEN G3/multiple Multiple Black type perfromer and LR winner. Load it up. Riccarton Park 7 6 TIMY TYLER OPEN G2/multiple G2 superior performer and LR 2nd. Times and margins please judge. Edited August 10, 2018 by mardigras 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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