mardigras Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 And Vega Magic has never been beaten as a 3yo+ in the months of June, July, August or September and only once beaten in May. But you assert he won because of blinkers. You hear all these reports after the race and they mention blinkers and you think, heck they're good. When the winner hasn't put blinkers on, nothings said. Funny how they don't interview the losers so you don't hear about all them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 Is there a pre-requisite to Punting 101 that we could refer Thommo to complete before he comes back on here? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryb Posted August 7, 2018 Author Share Posted August 7, 2018 He could recite something. Everything I currently know and understand about punting is BULLSHIT. That's a good place for him to start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelTheFear Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 31 minutes ago, curious said: Is there a pre-requisite to Punting 101 that we could refer Thommo to complete before he comes back on here? brain transplant? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 F me...do you teenage girls ever get off your devices? Grown men wanking on all night...ignoring your boyfriends... The funniest thing...but not surprising for Mr. F in Arrogant is questioning David Hayes ability to know when to use blinkers as a tool An absolute top of the class Pro trainer with years of experience having his reasoning questioned by Nev no f in bodies incredible arrogance... #narcissisticpersonalitydisorder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelTheFear Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 the usual rant from the sexist, homophobic troll. Nurse!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 13 minutes ago, FeelTheFear said: the usual rant from the sexist, homophobic troll. Nurse!! Feary...you remind me of that Half witted troll on the other site...Nostradamus The Sherriff gave you a fear old spanking over there.. ...and instead of ignoring him like he deserved...and like most sane people on social media do.. You and Woddy packed Your bags in a sulk and went off into the sunset together... I trust you'll stay here please.. I love spanking nillers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelTheFear Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 27 minutes ago, Thomass said: Feary...you remind me of that Half witted troll on the other site...Nostradamus The Sherriff gave you a fear old spanking over there.. ...and instead of ignoring him like he deserved...and like most sane people on social media do.. You and Woddy packed Your bags in a sulk and went off into the sunset together... I trust you'll stay here please.. I love spanking nillers not sure what you are on about, what is a Nostradamus? What Sheriff? Must be important though with 2 'r"s. Your fetish is noted though I hear you don't measure up when challenged. Hence your usual hate comments and vitriol (vitriol isn't performance enhancing by the way). I don't usually tell people to prove themselves. But when someone constantly attacks others when they put up and spouts about winning after the race then I question their integrity and moral disposition. I have worked in a residential home for men who were challenged mentally. Lovely chaps except when getting violent. One such chap was very inappropriate around sexual matters and had to be monitored 24/7 in case he left the property. Was that you? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 2 hours ago, Thomass said: is questioning David Hayes ability to know when to use blinkers as a tool An absolute top of the class Pro trainer with years of experience having his reasoning questioned by Nev no f in bodies incredible arrogance... I've met David Hayes, had a few beers with his team. Tom also. I've helped Tom load a few horses onto the float as well. I don't know why you think Hayes can tell you whether the horse went better than before, than anyone else can. Do the horse's talk to him later? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 Haha now you're trying to tell us you're a 'horseman' as well...were you catching the shit as they went on? Ive had a cuppa with his dad Colin...shown T J Smith around his breeding stock and escorted both Smith and Cummings through a yearling parade... And now you're questioning an absolute champion trainer's ability whether he knows if one of his charges needs Blinkers Total arrogant prat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poisoned Dwarf Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 Mardi might become the Wane " Fonc " Hawkes of NZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 48 minutes ago, Thomass said: And now you're questioning an absolute champion trainer's ability whether he knows if one of his charges needs Blinkers Total arrogant prat Don't think he's questioning that. Think he's trusting that is the case. Last I knew David Hayes was a horse trainer. Mardigras is a punter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 I knew you were slow thomass, but this is ridiculous. Read what curious wrote and try and understand it. As for whether VM performed better than before, that is subjective. Hayes opinion may be he did, my opinion is that he didn't. End of story. If Hayes thinks a horse needs blinkers, he should put them on. There is no means of knowing to what degree the trainer thinks they will help, if at all. You just assume they help. But as can be proven, they generally don't. Are you suggesting that every time Hayes puts blinkers on, the horse improves? That certainly seems to be what you are saying. Why else would he put them on. Shall we put up the stats on all these top horsemen/trainers regarding blinkers on. Should make interesting reading. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 On 8/08/2018 at 4:27 PM, mardigras said: Shall we put up the stats on all these top horsemen/trainers regarding blinkers on. Should make interesting reading. I gotta say, the Hayes factor when it comes to blinkers on first time is astounding. From 4 years of info, Hayes has managed to achieve a blinkers on first time strike rate of 11% (across all starters 14%). Those runners have provided an ROI if you backed them all of 61% back in the $. (across all starters 78% in the $). Looks to me like the punters follow them in like you - and wonder why they lose - like you. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 Don't know what the n is here but looks like my bank would at least last considerably longer if I backed all Hayes runners EXCEPT those with blinkers on first time? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryb Posted August 10, 2018 Author Share Posted August 10, 2018 haha, classic dreamer Tomarse, great work Mardi. this is all following a clear pattern T, You have no farking idea. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 (edited) 9 hours ago, barryb said: haha, classic dreamer Tomarse, great work Mardi. this is all following a clear pattern T, You have no farking idea. And whilst we know (by we, I mean everyone except Thomass), that strike rate is not the best indicator. However, I had to put something up that he is capable of understanding. I could have worked it based on things like 'punter chance' from starting prices, or many other ways. The reality is (and has been known for a long time), you have to understand the impact to the individual horse, not guess something will happen because the trainer is a top trainer, or the horse is one of Thomass' post race selections. We have been trying to tell him that applying rules the way he does, is just idiotic. Edited August 10, 2018 by mardigras 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryb Posted August 10, 2018 Author Share Posted August 10, 2018 Imagine T as a Tradie, throw the nail in there, that looks right, it went there last time. Or a baker, if we add heaps more baking powder it will rise quicker. Or an Accountant, lets just put a 9 in that gap, looks right. A bus driver, we missed this stop last 3 times, keep going don’t pick them up. A Nurse, yep it’s the same colour pills he got this morning. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasel Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 3 hours ago, barryb said: Imagine T as a Tradie, throw the nail in there, that looks right, it went there last time. Or a baker, if we add heaps more baking powder it will rise quicker. Or an Accountant, lets just put a 9 in that gap, looks right. A bus driver, we missed this stop last 3 times, keep going don’t pick them up. A Nurse, yep it’s the same colour pills he got this morning. (Here's one Thomasss will understand)...A dominatrix.. Hit him harder so he'll beg me to stop! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryb Posted August 11, 2018 Author Share Posted August 11, 2018 On 6/08/2018 at 1:54 PM, Thomass said: Just admit you subscribe to a sectional orientated/ restricted numbers website Bazz... ...nobody could dish out the horses you do by 'studying' for your own selections... ...selections such as La Foi...more like FOI Gras... ...only a fast sectional a few starts back could come out of left field for you to tip it... Hey shit for Brains, great run La Foi today, close up 3rd. Again exposed as a dip shit with no idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 Is that your best for the day Bazza? Youre az bad as your new bff...when the real Punters ain't on....both at 60's ...then when the Trainers spread the word...both you and Rid...come out the next start after both starting at 12's ...Its like premature ejaculation...and there's help for that I've heard best you get it sorted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 23 minutes ago, Thomass said: ...then when the Trainers spread the word...both you and Rid...come out the next start after both starting at 12's I think that's called assessing when a horse is capable of running a strong race. And so it has proven. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelTheFear Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 34 minutes ago, Thomass said: Is that your best for the day Bazza? Youre az bad as your new bff...when the real Punters ain't on....both at 60's ...then when the Trainers spread the word...both you and Rid...come out the next start after both starting at 12's ...Its like premature ejaculation...and there's help for that I've heard best you get it sorted keep it up Mr T., there is help with that too by the way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 Seems there is a bit of "I don't listen to hearsay" unless "the trainers spread the word" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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