Will Ellerslie make money without a Training Centre?

[Chief Stipe]

If the majority of class horses are trained in Cambridge and Matamata then Ellerslie needs to rely on income from racing and hospitality to make ends meet.

They don't and won't have any income from the regular training of horses.

 

[nod]

Pukekohe is to be their training centre

[Freda]

Well, they don't now so nothing is different there.

And my sources tell me that the training operations at both Rangiora and Riccarton bleed money.   

They would be financially far better off without  ' maintaining '  training facilities.

[curious]

I think all training centres do except maybe Cambridge and perhaps where they volunteer staffed

[Chief Stipe]

3 hours ago, Freda said:

And my sources tell me that the training operations at both Rangiora and Riccarton bleed money.   

When did Rangiora last have a race meeting?

No excuses for Riccarton not to make money as a training facility.  If they don't then they don't have enough horses or are not charging enough.  Of course the additional AWT operational costs won't be helping.

[Freda]

1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

When did Rangiora last have a race meeting?

No excuses for Riccarton not to make money as a training facility.  If they don't then they don't have enough horses or are not charging enough.  Of course the additional AWT operational costs won't be helping.

What does Rangiora having a racemeeting have to do with losing money on training operations?

And Riccarton is obviously not charging enough, thanks for that snippet,  we'll just double our training fees to cover increased costs and watch the horses disappear. 

[curious]

I can tell you that Foxton also hasn't had a race meeting in a long while, probably couldn't afford the loss from running an industry day one, but also loses heaps from their training operation.

[Freda]

3 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

When did Rangiora last have a race meeting?

No excuses for Riccarton not to make money as a training facility.  If they don't then they don't have enough horses or are not charging enough.  Of course the additional AWT operational costs won't be helping.

The additional AWT costs?   the training tracks have reduced in number from 15 to 3.5.   I should have thought there would be a significant saving.

The regular visits from the Martin Collins crew were factored in to the original contract,  most of which was met by the taxpayer.

[curious]

One is the hallowed grass which is seldom available it seems but what is the .5? I'm imagining a track that only goes half way round!

[Freda]

1 hour ago, curious said:

One is the hallowed grass which is seldom available it seems but what is the .5? I'm imagining a track that only goes half way round!

Lol...I was trying to indicate it is not available all the time so therefore wouldn't be getting daily maintenance. 

The poly doesn't get groomed daily either, I was told, although it is supposed to be.

When it rains the plough is unavailable and can take up to a week to be suitable to use.

And over the spring period there was clearly a cost- cutting strategy wrt mowing on the CP.  We all saw the results of that.

[curious]

52 minutes ago, Freda said:

The poly doesn't get groomed daily either, I was told, although it is supposed to be.

I also thought the poly was supposed to be groomed daily. Further I have heard it has at least sometimes been groomed without the preceding manure removal occurring. It won't last long if that's true and they are incorporating organic matter into the surface - false economy given the cost of full surface replacement. When they are paying an arm and leg to Martin Collins for maintenance advice they surely should be using it. That's even worse than them failing to follow the free guidance and advice for the mowing and renovation of the CP which as you note cost not only the club but lots of participants heaps.

[Chief Stipe]

2 hours ago, Freda said:

Lol...I was trying to indicate it is not available all the time so therefore wouldn't be getting daily maintenance. 

The poly doesn't get groomed daily either, I was told, although it is supposed to be.

When it rains the plough is unavailable and can take up to a week to be suitable to use.

And over the spring period there was clearly a cost- cutting strategy wrt mowing on the CP.  We all saw the results of that.

Well there's part of the problem of why they are not making money.  The assets capable of earning revenue are not able to be used.

Bit like owing a Taxi on a cab rank and not putting fuel in it.