RIB gets rap on hand from High Court.

[Chief Stipe]

4 hours ago, The Centaur said:

Yes I would. Stealing $1m gets higher penalty than stealing $10.

I disagree.  If my first maiden winner got beaten by a drug cheat then that win would have been worth more than a million dollars to me.  

[Chief Stipe]

29 minutes ago, Special Agent said:

The jockey fines reflect the stake level.

That's a different scenario.  A Jockey can get suspended and a fine for causing interference in a Group race yet still keep his percentage as the horse isn't always disqualified.

[Special Agent]

11 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

If my first maiden winner got beaten by a drug cheat then that win would have been worth more than a million dollars to me.  

How do you feel about being beaten by a cheating jockey who has had the advantage on the day of their horse responding well to an extra strike of the whip?

[Chief Stipe]

28 minutes ago, Special Agent said:

How do you feel about being beaten by a cheating jockey who has had the advantage on the day of their horse responding well to an extra strike of the whip?

For a start I think the whip rules are a farce.  Secondly I doubt one extra strike of the whip makes any difference.

[Special Agent]

I am with you on the whip rules.

One extra strike of the whip by a strong rider in a tight finish, I think is significant and would be breaking the current NZTR rules, with the jockey maybe being penalised but the race result unchanged.

My point is that, depending on who you talk to, it's okay to break some rules but not others.

[Tim Carter]

5 hours ago, Special Agent said:

How do you feel about being beaten by a cheating jockey who has had the advantage on the day of their horse responding well to an extra strike of the whip?

Seems a bit harsh implying a Jockey deliberately cheats by giving a horse 1 extra strike before the 100. As it is, in some cases the Jockeys are guessing where the 100m mark is anyway. Of those that have transgressed ( nearly all of them) the strikes after the 100 are usually less than 4 . Most agree that there should be a whip strike limit for duration of the race. Apparently NZTR are looking at a rule change and not before time.  The Australian Jockeys almost without exception have been caught out by our 100m rule here as it slightly different to how the rule is interpreted in Australia.  Zac Purton was fined around 2 k for 2 extra whip strikes before the 100m in the 4 million dollar Doncaster less that half the fines our Jockeys were dished out in our Group 1 races. From January 1st to March 1st Excessive whip fines here total more than 40K 

The UK whip rules attached are interesting.

 

Following the 2022 report into the use of the whip, the rules regarding the use of the whip in British racing are being revised.    

The basic rules for use within a race, implemented as of 13 February in Jump racing and 27 March in Flat racing, are as follows: 

The whip can be used a maximum of six times in a Flat race or seven times in a Jump race. Any more than this will prompt the stewards to review the ride

As well as the number of times the whip is used, The Whip Review Committee will look at the force with which it is used, whether it was used from above shoulder height, whether the horse has been given time to respond, the purpose for which the whip was used, whether the horse was in contention or clearly winning at the time it was used, and whether the whip has been used in the correct place (i.e. on the horse’s hindquarter rather than flanks)

Any rider found to have contravened the rules or guidance will face a period of suspension, and any rider picking up third suspension in a six-month period will be referred to the Judicial Panel for penalty

Should the whip be used four times or more above the permitted level, the horse and rider will be disqualified from the race

Disqualification

One of the core recommendations proposed by the Whip Consultation Steering Group was for disqualification to be introduced for offences in which the whip has been used four times or more above the permitted level in all races   

 Disqualification offences will be considered by the Whip Review Committee away from raceday and therefore results of races are not affected for betting purposes.

 

[Freda]

I think most riders would prefer rules as clear and uncomplicated as these.

[curious]

26 minutes ago, Freda said:

I think most riders would prefer rules as clear and uncomplicated as these.

I think most punters and other participants as well.

[Chief Stipe]

Does this case seem fair?

 

[Tim Carter]

6 hours ago, Freda said:

I think most riders would prefer rules as clear and uncomplicated as these.

Yes I agree but more importantly the UK Stewards will take into account other factors if there has been an infringement of the rules. This is not that case here. Imagine if Purton had won a 4 million dollar race in NZ. Under our rules he would have been fined about 60k  for 2 extra strikes before the last 100m.