RIB Descision Tokyo Tycoon Disq.

[nod]

And thousands of instances reported in USA where Bute is permitted

[Special Agent]

3 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Which is predominantly high energy foods is it not?

Good luck competing with a solely grass fed horse.

I find both of these comments silly.

There are many high energy feeds that do not solely cause ulcers.  I think you will find training methods and daily regimes would account for many more ulcers than what the horse eats.

Who would try to race a horse only on grass?  How many horses currently in training in New Zealand get an acceptable level of grass?

[Freda]

4 minutes ago, Special Agent said:

I find both of these comments silly.

There are many high energy feeds that do not solely cause ulcers.  I think you will find training methods and daily regimes would account for many more ulcers than what the horse eats.

Who would try to race a horse only on grass?  How many horses currently in training in New Zealand get an acceptable level of grass?

Kelvin Tyler's.    Myers probably.   Heaps more no doubt if I thought about it.

Edited May 22, 2023 by Freda

[curious]

4 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Omeprazole has a withholding period.  It is used to treat stomach ulcers.  You probably have some in your bathroom medicine cabinet.

Oh. What is the withholding period?

[Freda]

11 minutes ago, curious said:

Oh. What is the withholding period?

Was waiting for someone to pick that up.

[nod]

Mine are in grassed paddocks 24/7-they get oats , chaff, hay --I could not abide them being caged like battery chooks

The only feeding exception I can recall was a mare that tied up badly until the oats were swapped for sunflower seeds.

[nod]

Thinking back I remember a very fat first starter . so fat I asked the owner trainer what he fed and he said it ran with his cows and was given a bucket of milk morning and night -it won, and went onto good form with a public trainer.

Another owner trainer fed bread returns and reject carrots

I guess times have changed a bit

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, curious said:

Oh. What is the withholding period?

 

49 minutes ago, Freda said:

Was waiting for someone to pick that up.

OK I got that wrong.  It's OCD.

The point is lots of things are done when training horses that cause chronic or acute conditions that may cause pain and discomfort.  The level of pain or discomfort is hard to determine.  A horse given a NSAID may be displaying inflammation without any signs of lameness.

If you want to compete at the elite level then you need to use every aid available to you within the rules to be competitive.  The use of modern medicine is one such aid.

[Special Agent]

I'll have to agree to disagree on this one.  If "lots" of things in training cause pain and discomfort to the horse, you need to change part or all of your training.  To knowingly mask pain using a drug which, when used inside the withholding period produces a positive, you are contravening the New Zealand Rules of Racing.

Using modern aids is not restricted to the elite level.  Some of the best training efforts are witnessed down in the grades, getting a lesser horse to lift it's performance is no mean feat.  You might find too that the aids used are tried and true ones from a past era.

In this case Mark Walker has admitted culpability and will be penalised accordingly.

And one more point, just because something is allowed doesn't mean it is right.

[Bid]

5 hours ago, nod said:

 

The only feeding exception I can recall was a mare that tied up badly until the oats were swapped for sunflower seeds.

Did you swap kilo for kilo? 

[nod]

I think it was a lessor amount but with a big increase of chaffhage.