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Really? What do you determine to be a good landing? A bad landing? Coppins was commenting on what the Jockey should do with his whip and hands. Are you qualified to tell a pilot what he should have done with the controls of his aeroplane to make the landing a good one? Perhaps she hadn't come to the end of her run but she certainly wasn't going to go faster which she needed to do to win. Why? The outcome of errant riding is the same regardless of what type of race it is. Isn't the objective to improve the quality of the riding and make it safer? Therefore the crime determines the penalty not the class of the race. Which one?

Perhaps the TAB should open a special book on this trial! 12:10 OPN Catchweight 1050 OPN HCP 1050m Open /Close Plc Horse Jockey Trainer 1 Meritable (AUS) (3c Snitzel (AUS) - Crystal Flute (AUS)) Murray Baker & Andrew Forsman, Cambridge 2 Sword Of State (AUS) (3c Snitzel (AUS) - In The Vanguard (AUS)) Mark Walker, Matamata 3 Coventina Bay (6m Shamexpress - Coventina) Robbie Patterson, New Plymouth 4 Dragon Queen (4m Sweynesse (AUS) - Happy Endings) Michael Moroney & Pam Gerard, Matamata 5 Letzbeglam (AUS) (4m Snitzel (AUS) - Miss Charming (USA)) Leith Innes Lance Noble, Karaka 6 Helena Baby (7g Guillotine - Hot Stash (AUS)) John Bell, Cambridge 7 Levante (5m Proisir (AUS) - Island Doy (GB)) Ken & Bev Kelso, Matamata 8 Mai Tai (5m Atlante (AUS) - Tropical Punch) Mark Walker, Matamata 9 Entriviere (5m Tavistock - Marcey's Belt (AUS)) Mark Walker, Matamata 10 Farrenc (3f Dalghar (FR) - Musical Magic (GB)) Simon & Katrina Alexander, Matamata 11 Bonny Lass (3f Super Easy - Posh Bec)

So I guess you are inferring that the RIB ARE being consistent in the application of penalties i.e. they are consistent with the guidelines. I disagree. However does it follow that the problem lies with the NZTR guidelines?

You're welcome.

Uh? Which horse is that?

And once not easy to win.

That isn't my point although it does support it. In my opinion it is one of the reasons for the decline. I just can't see how a racecourse can be sustainable economically without resident trainers nor a decent horse population within 150km. Travel costs including time on the road is killing those that don't have substantial horse numbers close by.

Depends what time of day. Took me 90 mins to go 11km from St Heliers to the Park once.

Danis get's 5 days - two days discount because of Covid! Plus he gets an extra day because his mount was relegated!!!!! Eh? Is that natural justice? The penalty for one is influenced by the outcome of a related case? BUT he only gets 5 days (not black type) and NO fine (not black type). Yet his offense would rank higher than the other two!!

Then there is this one by Darren Danis. Submission for Penalty: Mr Williamson advised that the Respondent has a very good record having not breached the Careless Riding Rule in the past 12 months. Mr Williamson said Stewards assessed the level of carelessness to be in the low range, but the fact that his mount was relegated is an aggravating factor. He invited the Adjudicative Committee to take into account when assessing penalty, the impact that Covid-19 is currently having on Rider availability. The Respondent did not seek a deferment to any proposed suspension. He offered no submissions as to penalty. Reasons for Penalty: After considering the submissions, the Adjudicator determined the Respondent’s carelessness to be in the low to mid-range which has a starting point of a 6-day (suspension). This conforms with the NZTR Penalty Guide (as of 1 March 2022). Mr Danis continued to ride forward whilst his mount drifted outward 6 to 8 horse widths. He had ample opportunity to stop riding and straighten his mount. Had he paused and straightened, he may have limited interference to DIONYSUS. It is an aggravating factor that as a result of his carelessness, his mount was relegated. Accordingly, a one-day uplift is applied to the 6-day starting point. After taking into account the Respondent’s very good riding record, his admission of the breach and the fact that currently Rider availability is being impacted due to Covid-19, a 2-day reduction is applied to the starting point. After consideration of the above factors, a 5-day suspension is imposed. Conclusion – Penalty: Mr Danis’ Licence to ride in races is suspended for a period of 5 days commencing after racing on 2 April 2022 and concluding after racing on 9 April 2022.

Cavallo Veloce nearly fell!!! So you can't straighten a horse with a whip? So one day added for a Listed Race......is it 2 for a Group 2/3 and 3 for a Group 1? Note nothing added for the severity of the offense! So Yanagida gets 7 days and $500 whereas Weatherley gets 8 days and $2,000. Which effort was worse? In my opinion Yanagida's by a country mile!!! Ironically they both would have got more if they hadn't pleaded guilty!!

Manawatu RC 2 April 2022 – R5 – Taiki Yanagida ID: RIB8418 Respondent(s): Taiki Yanagida - Jockey Applicant: K Coppins Adjudicators: N Moffatt and N McCutcheon Persons Present: T Yanagida, K Coppins, M Austin Information Number: A17301 Decision Type: Adjudicative Decision Charge: careless riding Rule(s): 638(1)(d) Plea: Admitted Stewards Report Results Animal Name: GERMANICUS Code: Thoroughbred Race Date: 02/04/2022 Race Club: Manawatu Race Club Race Location: Awapuni Racing Centre - 67 Racecourse Road, Awapuni, Palmerston North, 4412 Race Number: R5 Hearing Date: 02/04/2022 Hearing Location: Awapuni Racecourse Outcome: Proved Penalty: Jockey Taiki Yanagida is suspended for 7 days and fined $500 Evidence: Following the running of Race 5, the Respondent, Class A Rider Mr Taiki Yanagida, admitted a charge of careless riding which was filed pursuant to Rule 638(1)(d). The Information alleged that as the Rider of GERMANICUS, Mr Yanagida allowed his mount to shift inwards near the 150 metres dictating BRANDO (O Bosson) which in turn dictated PROVIDENCEPROVIDES (W Pinn) into the line of CAVALLO VELOCE (S McKay) which clipped a heel and blundered badly. Mr Yanagida acknowledged he understood the Rule and confirmed his admission of the breach. Rule 638(1) (d) provides: A Rider shall not ride a horse in a manner which the Adjudicative Committee considers to be careless. Using all available race films, Stipendiary Steward Mr M Austin demonstrated the incident and identified the horses and Riders concerned. Stipendiary Steward Mr K Coppins said that just past the 200m mark Mr Yanagida, who was on the very outside of the field, allowed his mount to shift inwards dictating Mr Bosson’s mount inwards. In an attempt to straighten his horse, Mr Yanagida swapped the whip to his inside hand but the Stewards believed he did not do enough. In response, Mr Yanagida said that when his horse got to the front next to Mr Bosson, it started to roll inwards and it was also running away from the Marsh runner coming down on his outside. Mr Yanagida tried to straighten his line of running by using his hands, but GERMANICUS did not respond to him. To relieve the pressure on Mr Bosson, he moved the whip to his left hand and straightened his mount by using the whip. Decision: As Mr Yanagida admitted the breach the Adjudicative Committee finds the breach proved Submission for Penalty: Mr Coppins produced Mr Yanagida’s careless riding record: 1/1/22 Auckland (low end) 5 days 6/11/21 Waikato (mid-range) 7 days + $200 2/10/21 Hastings (mid-range) 8 days 14/8/21 Waikato (mid-range) 5 days + $500 Mr Coppins said Stewards assessed the level of carelessness to be in the high range due to the fact that CAVELLO VELOCE blundered like it did. Mr Yanagida advised that he was about to begin a suspension for excessive whip use which would end on April 6th. Reasons for Penalty: There is no doubt that GERMANICUS shifted inwards from its position wide on the track which set up a concertina affect to runners on its inside culminating in CAVELLO VELOCE clipping a heel and nearly falling. The films provide credible evidence to support Mr Yanagida’s statement that he did attempt to straighten his mount however he erred in not placing both hands back on the reins. Drawing the whip is not an acceptable way to straighten a horse. In addition, Mr Bosson’s mount shifted in more than it needed to which heightened the effect to inside runners. After considering all submissions the Adjudicative Committee determined that Mr Yanagida’s carelessness sat in the mid-range. The Adjudicative Committee adopted a starting point of 7 days which conforms with the NZTR Penalty Guide (as of 1 March 2022). Taking into account Mr Yanagida’s record which we treated as a neutral factor, the Adjudicative Committee applied a 1 day uplift to reflect the Listed status of the race and reduced this by 1 day for his admission of the breach. After consideration of all the above factors, a 7-day suspension was considered appropriate. Due to the Black Type status of the race a monetary penalty has also been added. Conclusion – Penalty: Mr Yanagida’s licence to ride in races is suspended for a period of 7 days, commencing after racing on Wednesday April 6th and concluding after racing on Saturday April 16th. In addition, there is a $500 fine.

Has Mr K Coppins ever ridden a horse? I don't know just asking for a friend. In my opinion Innes knew Wolverine had come to the end of her run and wasn't going to get past Maven Belle i.e. he milked it a bit and he himself didn't take positive action. Have they promised Lethal the ride in OZ? I don't support the approach that because we are short of experienced Jockey's penalties for careless or dangerous riding should be reduced. Lethal may or may not be going to OZ but Sam is!!! An accurate description. WTF does it being a Group1 race have to do with a penalty for careless or dangerous riding? Is the message being sent - "you can bowl someone over in a Ruakaka Maiden and get less days just don't do it in a Group race!" What? So if a rider WINS he gets fined more irrespective! Just blatant money grabbing of Stakes money driven in part by the under funding of the RIB. Mmmm now compare this to another suspension on the day.

Manawatu RC 2 April 2022 – R6 – Sam Weatherley ID: RIB8419 Respondent(s): Sam Weatherley - Jockey Applicant: Mr K Coppins Adjudicators: N Moffatt and N McCutcheon Persons Present: Mr K Coppins, Mr M Austin, Mr S Weatheley Information Number: A17304 Decision Type: Adjudicative Decision Charge: Careless Riding Rule(s): 638(1)(d) Plea: Admitted Stewards Report Results Animal Name: MAVEN BELLE Code: Thoroughbred Race Date: 02/04/2022 Race Club: Manawatu Race Club Race Location: Awapuni Racing Centre - 67 Racecourse Road, Awapuni, Palmerston North, 4412 Race Number: R6 Hearing Date: 02/04/2022 Hearing Location: Awapuni Racecourse Outcome: Proved Penalty: Jockey Sam Weatherley is suspended for 8 days and fined $2000 Evidence: Following the running of Race 6 (Group 1 Manawatu Sires Produce), the Respondent, Class A Rider Mr S Weatherley, admitted a charge of careless riding which was filed pursuant to Rule 638(1)(d). The Information alleged that as the Rider of MAVEN BELLE he allowed his mount to shift outwards into the line of WOLVERINE (L Innes) which was hampered near the 75 metres. Mr Weatherley acknowledged he understood the Rule and confirmed his admission of the breach. Rule 638(1) (d) provides: A Rider shall not ride a horse in a manner which the Adjudicative Committee considers to be careless. Using the head-on film, Stipendiary Steward Mr M Austin identified Mr Weatherley in front on the fence riding MAVEN BELLE with WOLVERINE out in the middle of the track. Stipendiary Steward Mr K Coppins said that when MAVEN BELLE ran out into the line of WOLVERINE, Mr Weatherley did not do enough to straighten his mount in that he continued to use the whip rather than put his hand back on the reins. In response, Mr Weatherley agreed that his horse had moved out under pressure, and due to a bit of greenness, but maintained that he did try to straighten it when it got close to WOLVERINE. He said he put his whip away and Mr Innes was hampered only slightly in the incident. Decision: As Mr Weatherley admitted the breach the Adjudicative Committee finds the breach proved Submission for Penalty: Mr Coppins produced Mr Weatherley’s careless riding record: 1/1/22 Auckland 10 days +$1000 19/11/21 Taranaki 4 days 4/9/21 Waikato 7 days 2/9/21 Cambridge 3 days Mr Weatherley has had 422 mounts in the past 12 months. Mr Coppins said Stewards assessed the level of carelessness to be below midrange. He also said that Adjudicative Committees in the Northern region had recently been taking into account the effects of Covid when arriving at penalties. Mr Weatherley said that he was a busy Rider who often has a full book of rides, but he had missed some riding lately due to sickness. He considers himself a clean Rider and said that he is due to ride his father’s horse in Sydney on April 16th which is the opportunity of a lifetime for him. Reasons for Penalty: In the home straight, Mr Weatherley was on the fence and well in the lead. From his position on the rail, he began to move outwards, which he was entitled to do so because he was clear of any other runner. The charge of careless riding arose only from when he got close to WOLVERINE and went 2 strides too far before taking corrective action. Mr Weatherley put his whip away and did not use it again apart from one strike right on the finish line. The Adjudicative Committee determined that Mr Weatherley’s carelessness sat below midrange. We adopted a starting point of 6 days which conforms with the NZTR Penalty Guide (as of 1 March 2022). The Group 1 status of the race elevated the number of days by 3 to 9 days. Taking into account Mr Weatherley’s record, which we treated as a neutral factor, we allowed a 1-day reduction for his admission of the breach arriving at an 8- day suspension. For breaches occurring in “black -type” races particularly where the Jockey has won the race it is common for Adjudicative Committees to impose an additional monetary penalty. After consideration of all the above factors, an 8-day suspension and a fine was deemed an appropriate penalty. Conclusion – Penalty: Mr Weatherley’s licence to ride in races is suspended for a period of 8 days, commencing after racing today and concluding after racing on Thursday April 14th. In addition he is fined the sum of $2000.

In my opinion and I've said this about Gallop tracks/clubs - you can't financially sustain a race track without having permanent training facilities. Both Ellerslie and Alex Park have closed that door. The economics of transporting horses around is increasingly more costly. But not only that logistically it must be a nightmare getting your horses into Alex Park. That in itself would be a turnoff for those coming from south of Auckland. Perhaps they should have a horse train like they did in the old days bringing horses and punters to the course. The industry has also cut their noses off by not supporting harness racing North of Auckland.

Apparently they present two different levels of firmness by grooming the AWT differently. They only groom 3 days a week or prior to a trial day. It is harder on Trial day than it is for general work/gallop days. I would have thought that this isn't a good idea. Shouldn't it be the same all the time or at the very least the other way round i.e. softer on trial/race days than work days. I'm not a horse trainer however my understanding is you condition horses to a particular surface through training and increasing the effort as a horse becomes used to it i.e. their bones, joints, ligaments and muscles slowly become conditioned to the firmness. So wouldn't the management protocol allegedly in place lead to horse breakdowns? Why not present the same firmness of track everyday? At least you would know what you were getting. Do they measure the firmness? If they don't how do they know what they are presenting? Especially relative to weather conditions as the artificial surface does alter relative to heat, humidity and water.

So it's clear you only post on the only forum you have access to to do what? Enjoy because BOAY allows your crap to be on line.

Maven Belle had a soft run. She's run out in all of her races. She had Wolverine well covered. If Wolverine was going to win then she needed to run the fastest last 400m of the day.

Bollocks.

We've already covered that off.

At least someone is trying something different. Everyone else seems to be asleep.....ATC.

Subscribe Login Group 1 RacingNSW Stars are ready to shine in Queen Elizabeth showdown British Bulldog, Addeybb, won the 2020 and 2021 Queen Elizabeth Stakes. Picture: Picture: AAP Image By Ray Thomas 07:09pm • 04 April 2022 1 Comments The cliches are getting a workout this week like the “race of the century”, the “clash of champions” or a “race for the ages”. But the truth of the matter is they all apply. It’s not just hype. When the field goes into the barriers for the $4 million Longines Queen Elizabeth Stakes (2000m) at Royal Randwick on Saturday, this will be the most exciting race in years. Verry Elleegant is looking for a 12th Group 1 victory in the Queen Elizabeth Stakes on Saturday. Picture: Grant Guy Racing NSW introduced The Championships in 2014 with cynics suggesting the concept wouldn’t last and the Queen Elizabeth Stakes would never rival the Cox Plate as the nation’s best weight-for-age race. The Championships, billed as the “Grand Finals of Australian Racing”, are here to stay because they are perfectly positioned later in the season to showcase the nation’s best equine talent. Nothing personifies The Championships more than the Queen Elizabeth Stakes which brings together the best weight-for-age horses in training, the seasoned champs, the new challengers and the boom three-year-olds, over the classic distance of 2000m. The Queen Elizabeth Stakes invariably rates among the nation’s top two races each year and Saturday’s showdown will continue that tradition. The competitor in Chris Waller, trainer of favourite Verry Elleegant, said the Queen Elizabeth Stakes provides the platform for the “best to compete against the best”. “This will be an outstanding race,’’ Waller said. “Earlier in my career, I used to put my horses in the easiest races but with Winx I realised how important it was for racing to put the good horses against each other. Australian Cup and Tancred Stakes winner Duais is pushing for favouritism for the Queen Elizabeth Stakes. Picture: Getty Images “This is what the racing public wants to see and it is what makes this sport so exciting.’’ And it doesn’t get any better than Saturday’s Queen Elizabeth Stakes field. If Verry Elleegant can win the Queen Elizabeth, it will be her 12th Group 1 success and boost her prizemoney over $17 million, making her the third highest earner of all time behind Winx on $26.4 million and Nature Strip on $17.9 million. But this is shaping as the greatest challenge of Verry Elleegant’s career with her rivals including the rampant Zaaki, the imported superstar from the Annabel Neasham stable who has won the Doomben Cup, Underwood Stakes and Mackinnon Stakes at Group 1 level, plus the All-Star Mile and more than $6 million in prizemoney in a stellar 12 months in Australian racing. There is Duais, the outstanding mare from the Edward Cummings stable, who emulated the legendary Makybe Diva by winning the Australian Cup and Tancred Stakes, her most recent win so emphatic she is challenging for Queen Elizabeth Stakes favouritism. The maestro David Payne has prepared more than 100 Group 1 winners during his training career and he has another outstanding galloper in Montefilia, the underrated mare who has won four majors and did what few horses have been able to do and that was “out-tough” Verry Elleegant in the Ranvet Stakes last start. Anamoe, fresh from a brilliant win in the Rosehill Guineas, will take on the older horses for the first time since his narrow Cox Plate second placing. Picture: Grant Guy Think It Over is right in the mix. The “warhorse” is trained out of Kembla Grange by Kerry Parker but he has emerged as an elite level weight-for-age horse with his wins in the last year in the George Ryder Stakes, Chelmsford Stakes, Hill Stakes, Craven Plate, Rosehill Gold Cup and Apollo Stakes. I’m Thunderstruck won the Golden Eagle last spring, finished second in the All-Star Mile and Doncaster Mile at his last two starts and could back-up in the Queen Elizabeth Stakes. Mr Brightside, the Doncaster winner, is some chance too. And you can’t forget Anamoe, the crack colt from the Godolphin stable who won the Rosehill Guineas by nearly seven lengths last start. The James Cummings-trained three-year-old brings that “X factor” to the Queen Elizabeth Stakes field. The Queen Elizabeth Stakes has become an iconic race during the Sydney autumn carnival producing some of the most memorable moments in Australian racing in recent years. The clashes between Addeybb and Verry Elleegant as they ran 1-2 in the Queen Elizabeth Stakes in 2020 and again last year were pure box office. Mighty mare Winx’s three-peat demonstrated her absolute dominance with her farewell triumph in 2019 triumph an emotional and unforgettable race day before a massive 43,000-plus Randwick crowd. Intergaze (left) was the last three-year-old to win the Queen Elizabeth Stakes when he beat Octagonal (right) in 1997. There’s been some shock results in this race, too. The fairytale end to the race careers of Octagonal (1997) and his son Lonhro (2004) didn’t go to script when both were beaten in the Queen Elizabeth Stakes. Octagonal couldn’t run down Intergaze, the last three-year-old to win the race, while you could have heard a pin drop when Grand Armee ran away to upset Lonhro. But what about the 1998 win of Might And Power. He was at his destructive best that day, streaking clear of his rivals to win by more than 10 lengths. This is only a snapshot of the racing highlights the Queen Elizabeth Stakes provides every year – but Saturday’s race could trump them all. “It’s always an additional benefit to have some international participation but even without an overseas horse this year’s Queen Elizabeth Stakes is shaping as a vintage renewal,’’ said ATC’s James Ross. “The Queen Elizabeth has been for some time the highest rating race in Australia and Saturday’s race is likely to be the same. “To see Verry Elleegant competing against the winners of all the feature races – this is the ‘Grand Final” of Australian racing.’’

Wolverine wasn't going to win that race regardless of the interference. She had her head barely overlapped and Maven Belle kicked. Maven Belle had a soft run and fights to the line. No way was Wolverine going to pass her. Innes should have hunted up onto her back instead of going soft at the 800m.

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