curious

1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

Depends on what the deal was.  Is 50% GBR, NBR or Gross Profit?  Do your GBR figures include Sports?  Actually I should ask Racing's new Prince of Darknes @Newmarket - he allegedly has all the facts.

Yes that includes sports betting. It's 50% GBR, Im pretty sure.

1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

 It is still listed under the Riccarton stable but we all know that NZTR are notoriously slow at paperwork.  

Don't agree with that at all. In my experience NZTR are extremely prompt and efficient with this sort of thing. More likely busy trainers a bit delinquent with their change of stable paperwork if that is necessary here.

9 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

I can't remember BUT I'm pretty sure that ENTAIN have significantly cut operating costs with more to come in the next 12 months.

That's definitely Entain's saving from their share. Won't accrue anything to NZTAB/NZracing.

53 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

What half of the Gross or half of the Net?

I thought it was 50% GBR isn't it?

And remember that NZ racing will only get half of that from 2028

6 minutes ago, curious said:

Where do you get that from? Overall I have the GBR peak in 20/21, flat since then.

 

Where do you get that from? Overall I have the GBR peak in 20/21, flat since then.

Critical one GBR, up 1.2%, well below CPI. Take no responsibility by way of the product but blame it on FO margins

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7 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

So why don't you buy a share in a Clerk of the Course's horse if you'd prefer a slow one?

Some of those were pretty quick in their day.

24 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

LOL..."trade-in" a Gavelhouse purchase?  At least with a share in a syndicate the rehoming costs are built in!

Think I prefer 100% of a slow one than 1% of a hopeful champ.

Haha. Do you think I should trade in my recent gavelhouse purchase?

16 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Probably not true.  There has always been restrictions but unlikely to close accounts when the TAB can limit losses.

AML issues?

30 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

LOL then the late nomination is scratched?  

Exactly! And their next highest rated horse is now on the minimum with us.

2 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Well back to the original post then there is no issue other than a perceived one.  Correct?

Not as far as I know but someone like @Freda can probably more reliably confirm or otherwise. I'm certainly aware of situations where say a late nom of an R80 horse in a R75 race, means the weights are compressed significantly and a horse down the handicap is suddenly carrying 54 rather than the expected 56 unleashing a frenzied couple of hours looking for a suitable rider that can make the weight.

15 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

I have no idea if they are or aren't.  If they are available and updated in real time then they must only be available in a system accessed by trainers or @jess assertion is inaccurate.

Regardless which trainer has the time to sit there and watch nominations being updated or is there a "cool down" period between noms closing the fields being declared.  LOL I thought according to some that NZ Trainers didn't have the luxury of picking and choosing the races they start their charges in.

I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong but as far as I know, late nominations for races left open usually close at 9am on withdrawal day. The handicapper then declares the weights and those are then published on the Loveracing site before withdrawals close at 10am. I would think most trainers would monitor those before accepting as the weights may affect jockey options which have to be declared by 1pm.

12 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

If NZTR had a decent computer system then the nominations could be published and updated in real time as they arrive.  Not that I can see any advantage to doing so.

They are aren't they? You need those to assess the field and decide whether you are going to pay up or not?

2 hours ago, mikeynz said:

A problem gambler for Entain is the ones who wont/don't migrate to them, be interesting to learn if the monopoly will rake in all this extra cash, they must have some small indicator by now.

It's early days and the only available data I know of is the HRNZ betting data. I note this is limited and does not account for seasonal variation. However,

From the seasonal data through 27/06, 

GBR=35,796,319 Starters=24,139

GBR/starter=$1483

Since the legislation came into effect from 29/6-20/7

GBR=1,653,903 Starters=1140

GBR/starter=$1451

So, early indication is no increase, in fact a slight decline.

Hopefully, TABNZ will have a more glowing report at the end of the month based on the overall racing and sports betting data.

I thought your argument was spurious as Newmarket pointed out. It's apples and oranges when humans play contact sports of their own volition. Calling them risky is one thing but hardly cruel. Horses on the other hand have little choice but to participate in jumping races and that's for human entertainment.

I've done it now, though I think they could have asked better questions if they want a fuller picture.

12 minutes ago, Newmarket said:

Anyone else get survey from TAB? Asking for views on promotions…. or lack of, I gave them my honest opinions🤣. Me thinks they should be worried, been told from those in the know, TAB figures show no gains since overseas punting stopped

Yes, I got it but haven't responded. The other news doesn't surprise me or if it does, it's that there are NO gains, rather than disappointing gains.

You mean because it's a cruel, dangerous sport?

3 hours ago, sth cantab said:

It is the only meeting that there is a gate charge, a whole $10 and under 18’s free. If you want to get in free become a member.

I don’t know what December meeting you attended but the 2024 meeting rocked. Amazing crowd on course, good field sizes, fashion in the field, free activities and competitions for the kids.

https://www.thepress.co.nz/nz-news/360536196/out-about-south-canterbury-racing-clubs-timaru-cup-meeting-draws-large-crowd

A new record turnover, totalling just over $2.2 million – 52.3 % increase on the
previous year.
• 35.39% increase in turnover per race.
• 25.60 % increase per starter

I was there. Agree 100%. Cracker day. 

Just now, Doomed said:

Certainly, if you know who's going to work to the front and lead all the way it is a great day out. I just don't follow NI racing enough these days to have all that knowledge.

And I pay zero attention to it myself. Don't punt based on position in running or tempo.