If Election day was tomorrow,

[Walt]

2 hours ago, holy ravioli said:

Personally I think the the frontline nurses working shifts in our hospitals should be paid more than G.P nurses.

That is also the mindset of Hipkins. I did actually preface my perspective on the diabolical pay inequity between Te Whatu Ora Nurses and Community / Primary Care Nurses by stating I wasn't just talking about GP Nurses who make up only a small percentage of Community / Primary Care Nurses which I also pointed out. 

It's been my experience that similar judgements are made by people unaware of the facts. 

Compare a Hospital Nurse working in the maternity ward dealing with child birth, obstetrics and gynecology etc. The nurse has had x number of years training. They are not a doctor. They assist with child birth. A very important role.

Then you have another nurse that works in Hospice care. They will have had as much training if not more than the nurse in the maternity ward. They are dealing with the other end of the life cycle. This is a hugely important role.

Who should be paid more? Should the maternity nurse be paid more than the Hospice nurse? Should the maternity nurse be paid 35% more than the Hospice nurse? If they were do you think that is reasonable, respectful and fair? If you answer yes, you could work alongside Hipkins. These nurses should be paid exactly the same.

Plunket deal with a wide array of situations. They have a huge role when it comes to dealing with child abuse, mothers using methamphetamines, gang member fathers, fathers on electronic bail etc etc etc. Their priority is always the welfare of the child. Plunket nurses are routinely subjected to reprehensible abuse while attempting to help keep the child safe. Dealing with deceased babies with all the implications there is not rare. Concerning threats and assaults on nurses are becoming more common. I know of a Plunket nurse who was murdered and another that took her own life. I know of numerous Plunket nurses that have far more training, far more experience and far more qualifications than Te Whatu Ora nurses yet are paid between 15% and 35% less.  Everybody I come into contact within the health sector believes this situation is not only unreasonable, it's obscene. 

Same situation applies with many other Community / Primary Nurses. Most have a pivotal role in the life and death process. They do everything possible to prevent hospital admission and death. 

Hospital nurses deal with some of the same patients, but just at a different stage and a potentially more acute situation. 

All of these nurses should be paid exactly the same as their equivalent role at Te Whatu Ora.

For the record, Te Whatu Ora nurses can work extra shifts and be paid time and a half or double time. They deserve that and no community nurses begrudge them that. It's the base rates that should be identical. You should also factor in most community / primary care nurses are not afforded the opportunity to be paid time and a half or double time. 

 

[Walt]

3 hours ago, holy ravioli said:

Interesting.A senior surgeon told me a few years ago that there was plenty of funding in the health sector available.

Their observation was that it was poorly allocated.

Senior doctors call off strike, cardiologist takes aim at 'overpaid' health executives | Stuff.co.nz

That would have been more than a few years ago. Our health system has got progressively worse over the last 15 years as the population increased and Governments tried to cut corners resulting in the mess we have today. 

I have several family members in the health system mostly clinicians and consultants. Via them I come into contact with nurses on a daily basis. 

[holy ravioli]

I was in hospital for 1 month a few years ago.My experience regarding nurses is first ...hand.

As for consultants...I agree with this definition...'a consultant is someone who will borrow your watch...and then tell you the...time!'.

[Walt]

8 minutes ago, holy ravioli said:

I was in hospital for 1 month a few years ago.My experience regarding nurses is first ...hand.

As for consultants...I agree with this definition...'a consultant is someone who will borrow your watch...and then tell you the...time!'.

I was referring to consultant specialists who are at the coalface. ie Consultant Anesthetist etc....not the consultant sitting behind a desk

[holy ravioli]

Oh dear independent analysis says the Natz plans will keep interest rates high and ramp inflation...

' Goldman Sachs, who have no dog in this fight are saying is that National’s economic plan will exacerbate the current inflationary pressures and push them up even further triggering more OCR rate rises and high inflation all round.'

[Chief Stipe]

On 5/10/2023 at 10:32 AM, holy ravioli said:

Oh dear independent analysis says the Natz plans will keep interest rates high and ramp inflation...

' Goldman Sachs, who have no dog in this fight are saying is that National’s economic plan will exacerbate the current inflationary pressures and push them up even further triggering more OCR rate rises and high inflation all round.'

So you want the Nats to screw things down more?  For example slash Government employees?

[holy ravioli]

On 10/16/2023 at 10:54 AM, Chief Stipe said:

So you want the Nats to screw things down more?  For example slash Government employees?

Luxon/Willis are copying Truss/Kwazi U.K.Conservatives...'plan'=tax cuts and growing the...'pie'!🤡

[Chief Stipe]

21 hours ago, holy ravioli said:

Luxon/Willis are copying Truss/Kwazi U.K.Conservatives...'plan'=tax cuts and growing the...'pie'!🤡

How else do you do it?  Make the pie bigger by printing more money and then tax more?

That didn't work did it!

[holy ravioli]

22 hours ago, holy ravioli said:

Luxon/Willis are copying Truss/Kwazi U.K.Conservatives...'plan'=tax cuts and growing the...'pie'!🤡

Productivity is the key,not inflationary tax cuts and flipping property with no CGT....open to all comers.