Chief Stipe Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 Giga Kick out for the spring www.racing.com Sprint star Giga Kick is out for the spring after tearing a muscle in his McEwen Stakes return at The Valley. In a statement on Saturday morning, trainer Clayton Douglas said a torn gluteal muscle suffered in his controversial first-up run had meant there was no time for him to recover for his big spring goals. “I have arguably the best horse in the country, who was set to have a great spring running in races carrying $30 million in prizemoney, but unfortunately he is going to the paddock,” Douglas lamented, “That’s racing. “Subsequent veterinary assessment showed the horse had sustained the injury, giving insufficient time to have the horse recovered and ready for his spring targets. “The vets assessed it as an injury most likely caused by over-exertion at high speed.” Williams was to have been replaced on Giga Kick for his next run after sending the horse through sizzling mid-sections in the McEwen after the horse was slowly away. Giga Kick had been the favourite to defend his crown in next month’s $20 million The Everest in Sydney. “I am still amazed that he only got beaten two and a half lengths last start after missing the start by two lengths and injuring himself in the race, after what Craig acknowledged was a poor ride,” Douglas said. “I can’t be prouder of my horse, who is tough and brave, and he will come back for what will, hopefully, be a drama-free Autumn preparation.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 Young horse.Plenty more in...store. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 Imperatriz also not going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted September 23, 2023 Author Share Posted September 23, 2023 18 minutes ago, curious said: Imperatriz also not going. Going where? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted September 23, 2023 Author Share Posted September 23, 2023 Imperatriz to stay in Melbourne Michael Manley @MichaelManley_1 1:12pm Although Giga Kick is out for the spring and will miss The Everest, star New Zealand sprinter Imperatriz will still stay and target the Melbourne Spring Triple Crown of Group 1 sprints. Te Akau Racing boss David Ellis reaffirmed his commitment to stay in Melbourne for the spring and not compete in The Everest. New Zealand racing journalist Michael Guerin tweeted that he had spoken to Ellis and he confirmed that Imperatriz will stay in Melbourne. The brilliant mare, who is trained by Mark Walker and is based at Te Akau’s Cranbourne stables under the care of assistant trainer Ben Gleeson, won the Group 2 McEwen Stakes first-up defeating Giga Kick at The Valley. Imperatriz will start in the Group 1 Moir Stakes (1000m) at The Valley on Friday night. She will then run in the two remaining Group 1 sprints in Melbourne, the Manikato Stakes at The Valley and then the VRC Sprint Championship (1200m). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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curious Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 15 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Going where? To the Everest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted September 23, 2023 Author Share Posted September 23, 2023 10 minutes ago, curious said: To the Everest Makes sense. If I owned her I'd rather have more black type on the page. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: Makes sense. If I owned her I'd rather have more black type on the page. She'd make more at the Everest than she would put of all her progeny you'd have to think, still think they are just placing her right, agree a good move to avoid it. Not sure a mare has ever won the Everest has it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 And the TAB still have had at $5.50 last I looked, so they don't seem too swayed by the press reports. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 12 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Makes sense. If I owned her I'd rather have more black type on the page. It's about the money. Ellis said he doesn't like having to share the spoils in the Everest. He would have done the sums re how much he ...gets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted September 23, 2023 Author Share Posted September 23, 2023 1 hour ago, holy ravioli said: It's about the money. Ellis said he doesn't like having to share the spoils in the Everest. He would have done the sums re how much he ...gets. Black type adds residual value when she is sold at the end of her racing career like all Te Akau syndicated mares. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted September 23, 2023 Author Share Posted September 23, 2023 3 hours ago, curious said: And the TAB still have had at $5.50 last I looked, so they don't seem too swayed by the press reports. I guess they have to claw back as much of their liability on I Wish I Win as they can. Assuming you mean Entain when you refer to the TAB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 35 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Black type adds residual value when she is sold at the end of her racing career like all Te Akau syndicated mares. If you think breeders would assign little value to winning an Everest......think...again.🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted September 23, 2023 Author Share Posted September 23, 2023 16 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: If you think breeders would assign little value to winning an Everest......think...again.🙄 Please enlighten us all with your erudite analysis of why breeders would assign value to winning the Everest over a couple if Group 1's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 7 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Please enlighten us all with your erudite analysis of why breeders would assign value to winning the Everest over a couple if Group 1's? Very good so now it's a couple of Grp 1's😄..compare to your original statement-'Black type adds residual value when she is sold -' -um Black type is not restricted to Grp1's...(I can teach you something new on a daily basis). Your methodology of debate is laughable.=twist and try and reframe your original premise when you realise it's tenuous. One for you ,anyway-do you think winning the worlds richest race would add any residual value to a broodmare?-not a trick question.😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted September 23, 2023 Author Share Posted September 23, 2023 11 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: Very good so now it's a couple of Grp 1's😄..compare to your original statement-'Black type adds residual value when she is sold -' -um Black type is not restricted to Grp1's...(I can teach you something new on a daily basis) I said that is what Imperatriz is aiming for - a couple more Group 1s and another Group race a Grp 2 I think (I can't be bothered checking). Time honoured Group races against her own class. Not an orchestrated sweepstake race. 13 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: One for you ,anyway-do you think winning the worlds richest race would add any residual value to a broodmare?-not a trick question. I asked you why Breeders would assign more value to winning The Everest over Group 1,2 wins and placings. Are you suggesting that it has nothing to do with the quality of the field but just the fact it is the "World's Richest Race"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 You are twisting again. You expect me to join your dots to bolster your ever changing view point. You said.....'why breeders would assign value to winning the Everest over a couple if Group 1's? Note the omission of the word...'more'. It may have eluded ..you...but the Everest attracts a first class,QUALITY field....every year. Being the world's richest race is another plus. You seem to hunt with the hounds and chase with the hares regarding your views on 'orchestrated sweepstakes races'. Your comments on the Karaka millions and their status...confirm...this.😜 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted September 23, 2023 Author Share Posted September 23, 2023 6 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: It may have eluded ..you...but the Everest attracts a first class,QUALITY field....every year. Really? Please provide us with your analysis/data that supports that contention? Where are the international horses? Does it rank above the Dubai or Hong Kong invitational races in terms of quality? So the only reason you have for breeders placing value on The Everest is its stake level? So much for international pattern racing and standards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Really? Please provide us with your analysis/data that supports that contention? Where are the international horses? Does it rank above the Dubai or Hong Kong invitational races in terms of quality? So the only reason you have for breeders placing value on The Everest is its stake level? So much for international pattern racing and standards. The only 3y.o colt to win is at stud. Nature Strip won it and went to the U.K and won. The 6 winners so far have back up form in Australia,recognised for their sprinters all around the...world. Breeders value performance at the highest level....performers like thos that contest the Everest. A filly,colt,mare or entire would exponentially increase its value by winning the Everest. I seriously doubt that I am alone in holding this opinion. I notice you avoided your 'form' on 'orchestrated sweepstakes'.😜 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted September 23, 2023 Author Share Posted September 23, 2023 2 hours ago, holy ravioli said: It's about the money. Ellis said he doesn't like having to share the spoils in the Everest. He would have done the sums re how much he ...gets. No it is purely and simply about what is best for Imperatriz and her success which ultimately determines the owners return. The Slot Holder negotiates with the Owners what the total stake is and the Trainer gets 10%, Jockey 5%, plus 2% to stable hands of that stake. Just like any other race! So Te Akau win either way. David Ellis as Racing Manager and Mark Walker as Trainer would have considered a range of variables in making their decision. They've publicly stated that the believe Imperatriz races better left handed, the Grp races are important and what they are being offered by slotholders doesn't sway their view. You've also got to consider that the Everest wasn't being aimed for and her race programme was devised months ago and took into consideration factors such as travel and change of stables. In the short term it's not money but what is best for the horse. Ultimately following that course you win. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted September 23, 2023 Author Share Posted September 23, 2023 10 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: Breeders value performance at the highest level....performers like thos that contest the Everest. Breeders value black type. End of story. As for the Karaka Millions you could eliminate the sweepstake aspect by taking a levy on ALL horses that are sold through Karaka to fund it. You wouldn't need NZTR funding! Then you could apply for black type Group status. At the moment it is a sweepstake where 2 or 3 stables hold most of the tickets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Chief Stipe said: No it is purely and simply about what is best for Imperatriz and her success which ultimately determines the owners return. The Slot Holder negotiates with the Owners what the total stake is and the Trainer gets 10%, Jockey 5%, plus 2% to stable hands of that stake. Just like any other race! So Te Akau win either way. David Ellis as Racing Manager and Mark Walker as Trainer would have considered a range of variables in making their decision. They've publicly stated that the believe Imperatriz races better left handed, the Grp races are important and what they are being offered by slotholders doesn't sway their view. You've also got to consider that the Everest wasn't being aimed for and her race programme was devised months ago and took into consideration factors such as travel and change of stables. In the short term it's not money but what is best for the horse. Ultimately following that course you win. Off on another tangent....again. I stated exactly what Ellis said.....'doesn't have to share'! The racing industry is like any industry=about making MONEY. I expect 3y.o's to play a big role in the Everest,going forward and it would be a very rare pessimist who would think winning it would not have a significant impact on...breeding value. And ,your views on the Karaka Millions regarding breeding 'value' and their significance regarding....a measure of ..class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 Coolmore,Chris Waller and others...read it and weep... Won the Gr.2 Todman Stakes at 2 in record-breaking time! "a dynamic performance from an exceptional horse" jockey Blake Shinn, after the Gr.2 Todman Stakes Won the richest race on turf, the $14 million Everest, defeating 10 Gr.1 winners & older horses as the only 3YO in the race! "Perhaps the best sprinter on the planet" Chris Roots, Sydney Morning Herald, 19th October 2019 "A record-breaking performance in Saturday’s $14 million The Everest has put a 3-year-old on top of the sprinting world, sending his potential stud value into the stratosphere." TDN AusNZ, 20th October 2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted September 23, 2023 Author Share Posted September 23, 2023 6 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: I stated exactly what Ellis said.....'doesn't have to share'! FFS you are focusing on ONE point that was made not the rest of the article nor the any of the other articles published on the subject! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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