Walt Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 On 10/31/2023 at 7:56 AM, Chief Stipe said: The first MBIE employees (probably 1,000 of them) to go should be those involved with the Fart Measuring Sattelite. You see the cost isn't just salaries (avg. $120k+ per employee) but the cost of the dumb arse decisions they make. https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/500881/why-nz-invested-29m-in-a-methane-satellite-unlikely-to-improve-our-farm-emission-estimates Labour were in fantasyland from even before day 1. When Andrew Little was their leader he was a cast iron guarantee their losing streak would continue in 2017. Policies that he helped develop and lead them on such as "Kiwibuild" were totally unrealistic but it didn't matter that much because they had zero hope of being Government and putting that fantasy in motion. Nek minute, Andrew Little realized his one plan of being the PM was certain to fail, he fell on his sword. His plan of course was not to win the election on merit but by default as New Zealanders turned on National. At that time I don't believe even Labour MP's thought they had any hope of being Government in 2017. Up steps Ardern and the get in via NZF. It didn't take long to see how unrealistic Kiwibuild promises were and just how unsuitable Phil Twyford was to be the Housing Minister at any time, let alone during a housing crisis. They poured hundreds of millions into their fantasy in what looked very much like a drunk bar patron throwing darts at a dartboard hoping he may hit a bullseye. When the confronting reality became impossible to deny, Labour replaced Twyford with Megan Woods who is about as inspiring as warm flat beer with insects floating around in it. They hoped calling it a "reset" would divert attention away from what it really was. An epic disaster that cost New Zealanders hundreds of millions of dollars. Woods recognized she was so far out of her depth that she even joined forces with Judith Collins. What they came up with was another epic fail. Their idealism, incompetence and naivety have been their hallmarks all along.....along with dividing our country. When Covid arrived in NZ, they spouted off restrictions for all of us but said they had an "expectation" that tourists arriving for a very expensive once in a lifetime holiday here would self isolate in their motel even if they had absolutely no Covid symptoms. Everyone could see what complete horseshit that prospect was. Everyone except Labour. It was only when tourists arriving at our airports laughed at that prospect on camera did Labour do a complete and embarrassing U-Turn. This type of naivety epitomizes Labour. When Labour announced the wage subsidy at the start of the lockdowns, they used the alleged urgency to skip right over being fiscally prudent. Two weeks later they realized the scope for widespread fraud was so enormous that they started rewording the conditions for those accepting the wage subsidy. There were huge over payments along with several big business enterprises that were adding the wage subsidies to their record profits and the Government couldn't do squat about it. The Supermarkets rorting New Zealanders was an opportunity for Labour to fight for kiwis and make the duopoly accountable. Instead, Labour made pissy threats that the supermarkets laughed at and left the people doing the rorting to resolve the issue. That was a very predictable fail. The farcical Grocery Commissioner was then delegated to stop the rorting. Yea right. Another window into diabolical wasteful spending by Labour was their hugely expensive "Road to Zero" campaign. How typical of Labour to spend so much tax payer money on expensive virtue signaling advertising that had a 0% chance of success. We all want to see big improvements in our road toll but bullshit advertising was never going to save 40% of the people killed on our roads in their quest to road to zero. Labour's legacy has been one of enormous wasteful spending from a bunch of incompetents that in many cases only got in off the back of Ardern's popularity at the time. We celebrate their departure. My sincere hope is they are never afforded the opportunity to repeat their costly and divisive incompetence. Fingers crossed, National do a sterling job in Government. One thing for sure, they will never be as woeful as Labour. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 Excellent summation, Walt - as are your previous thoughts. Spot on as always. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 7 hours ago, Freda said: Excellent summation, Walt - as are your previous thoughts. Spot on as always. Hi Freda, Thank you. I appreciate your support Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted November 2, 2023 Author Share Posted November 2, 2023 On 11/1/2023 at 11:28 AM, Walt said: Labour were in fantasyland from even before day 1. When Andrew Little was their leader he was a cast iron guarantee their losing streak would continue in 2017. Policies that he helped develop and lead them on such as "Kiwibuild" were totally unrealistic but it didn't matter that much because they had zero hope of being Government and putting that fantasy in motion. Nek minute, Andrew Little realized his one plan of being the PM was certain to fail, he fell on his sword. His plan of course was not to win the election on merit but by default as New Zealanders turned on National. At that time I don't believe even Labour MP's thought they had any hope of being Government in 2017. Up steps Ardern and the get in via NZF. It didn't take long to see how unrealistic Kiwibuild promises were and just how unsuitable Phil Twyford was to be the Housing Minister at any time, let alone during a housing crisis. They poured hundreds of millions into their fantasy in what looked very much like a drunk bar patron throwing darts at a dartboard hoping he may hit a bullseye. When the confronting reality became impossible to deny, Labour replaced Twyford with Megan Woods who is about as inspiring as warm flat beer with insects floating around in it. They hoped calling it a "reset" would divert attention away from what it really was. An epic disaster that cost New Zealanders hundreds of millions of dollars. Woods recognized she was so far out of her depth that she even joined forces with Judith Collins. What they came up with was another epic fail. Their idealism, incompetence and naivety have been their hallmarks all along.....along with dividing our country. When Covid arrived in NZ, they spouted off restrictions for all of us but said they had an "expectation" that tourists arriving for a very expensive once in a lifetime holiday here would self isolate in their motel even if they had absolutely no Covid symptoms. Everyone could see what complete horseshit that prospect was. Everyone except Labour. It was only when tourists arriving at our airports laughed at that prospect on camera did Labour do a complete and embarrassing U-Turn. This type of naivety epitomizes Labour. When Labour announced the wage subsidy at the start of the lockdowns, they used the alleged urgency to skip right over being fiscally prudent. Two weeks later they realized the scope for widespread fraud was so enormous that they started rewording the conditions for those accepting the wage subsidy. There were huge over payments along with several big business enterprises that were adding the wage subsidies to their record profits and the Government couldn't do squat about it. The Supermarkets rorting New Zealanders was an opportunity for Labour to fight for kiwis and make the duopoly accountable. Instead, Labour made pissy threats that the supermarkets laughed at and left the people doing the rorting to resolve the issue. That was a very predictable fail. The farcical Grocery Commissioner was then delegated to stop the rorting. Yea right. Another window into diabolical wasteful spending by Labour was their hugely expensive "Road to Zero" campaign. How typical of Labour to spend so much tax payer money on expensive virtue signaling advertising that had a 0% chance of success. We all want to see big improvements in our road toll but bullshit advertising was never going to save 40% of the people killed on our roads in their quest to road to zero. Labour's legacy has been one of enormous wasteful spending from a bunch of incompetents that in many cases only got in off the back of Ardern's popularity at the time. We celebrate their departure. My sincere hope is they are never afforded the opportunity to repeat their costly and divisive incompetence. Fingers crossed, National do a sterling job in Government. One thing for sure, they will never be as woeful as Labour. . One thing for sure, they will never be as woeful as Labour. Wouldn't count on that Walt. We shall see if they make a discernable difference,that makes our country a better ...place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 28 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: One thing for sure, they will never be as woeful as Labour. How could they possibly be as woeful as Labour? The problem is that Labour did absolutely nothing to address the issues facing this country and many respects cemented them in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted November 3, 2023 Author Share Posted November 3, 2023 On 11/2/2023 at 2:25 PM, Chief Stipe said: How could they possibly be as woeful as Labour? The problem is that Labour did absolutely nothing to address the issues facing this country and many respects cemented them in. With the current makeup of Parliament after specials,I predict there will be another election within this term...and this will be the last time the Natz will ever rule in NZ. Next election there will be too many new voters to enable the 'baby boomers' selfish mentality that has prevailed..for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 50 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: With the current makeup of Parliament after specials,I predict there will be another election within this term...and this will be the last time the Natz will ever rule in NZ. Next election there will be too many new voters to enable the 'baby boomers' selfish mentality that has prevailed..for years. What odds are you offering? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted November 8, 2023 Author Share Posted November 8, 2023 So we wait for this 3 Headed Monster to deliver....'strong,stable...Govt'!👈 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 1 hour ago, holy ravioli said: So we wait for this 3 Headed Monster to deliver....'strong,stable...Govt'!👈 We all know the words "strong-stable" are nothing but election campaign slogans that both National and Labour use relentlessly in the lead up to every election. They mean virtually nothing. That aside, I'm feeling positive about the new Government. The fact ACT & NZF must work together to form a Government despite their leaders despising each other is a very good sign that anything is possible, including becoming a successful Government. The coalition parties want some different things which will likely result in certain things kiwi's want being implemented or discarded. The ban on foreign (Mostly Chinese) house buyers is a good example. I believe the majority of kiwi's want the ban to remain. NZF fall in to that category where as National want the ban removed. There is every chance the ban will now remain. Bottom line is we should reserve judgement and revisit this in six months and see how things are looking. I'm hopeful. As for Labour. Hipkins was a complete train wreck as leader yet he's been retained as the Labour leader. They are either totally bereft of talent or they have decided to completely ignore the drubbing voters have delivered to them......or both. Here's an idea. Why not consider a wealth / capital gains tax ? Haha. Is he serious or just having a laugh? He's a clueless and divisive clown....... but good enough to lead Labour. Very telling 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted November 8, 2023 Author Share Posted November 8, 2023 29 minutes ago, Walt said: We all know the words "strong-stable" are nothing but election campaign slogans that both National and Labour use relentlessly in the lead up to every election. They mean virtually nothing. That aside, I'm feeling positive about the new Government. The fact ACT & NZF must work together to form a Government despite their leaders despising each other is a very good sign that anything is possible, including becoming a successful Government. The coalition parties want some different things which will likely result in certain things kiwi's want being implemented or discarded. The ban on foreign (Mostly Chinese) house buyers is a good example. I believe the majority of kiwi's want the ban to remain. NZF fall in to that category where as National want the ban removed. There is every chance the ban will now remain. Bottom line is we should reserve judgement and revisit this in six months and see how things are looking. I'm hopeful. As for Labour. Hipkins was a complete train wreck as leader yet he's been retained as the Labour leader. They are either totally bereft of talent or they have decided to completely ignore the drubbing voters have delivered to them......or both. Here's an idea. Why not consider a wealth / capital gains tax ? Haha. Is he serious or just having a laugh? He's a clueless and divisive clown....... but good enough to lead Labour. Very telling It was the right move to confirm Hipkins as leader at this point...imo. Doubt he will contest the next election in that role. Losers never do well. John Howard in Oz a noteable/lucky...exception. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 2 hours ago, holy ravioli said: It was the right move to confirm Hipkins as leader at this point...imo. Doubt he will contest the next election in that role. Losers never do well. John Howard in Oz a noteable/lucky...exception. You're right about Hipkins not being the leader into the next election. I'm very confident of that. Hipkins may be a nice man. He also appears to be a good team player. He's also a weak man who is totally unsuitable to be Party leader let alone PM. He stabilized Labour support after Ardern bolted off into the sunset but when the pressure went on, he steered the Labour ship straight onto the rocks. We've previously discussed how he did that. By retaining him as Labour leader under the absurd guise of a "clean slate" was even more farcical than the "reset" after the Kiwibuild debacle. What Hipkin's is actually saying is he's very happy to overlook his pathetic performance as PM and start over. I can promise him two things. Kiwi's will not overlook his track record and the best way to predict future performance is by looking at past performance. Labour desperately needed a new leader and to stop virtue signaling. Epic fail on both scores. The hopeless Carmel Sepuloni is deputy leader for two reasons only. Her gender and her ethnicity. Labour have learned absolutely nothing. Hipkins stated Labour will be a "formidable opposition". haha, yea right. Labour will be weak and they will bark at the moon while being easily swatted away like flies. Labour obviously need a clean slate, not more of the same. The sooner they realize that and be led by a leader, the sooner they can recover and move forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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