Chief Stipe Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 8 hours ago, Walt said: We could see that coming Chief. It will cause major inconvenience but those involved couldn't possibly care less. It will also stir up further racial division now those involved have got used to getting their own way with bells on in recent years. Don't assume many will turn up. But do expect the media to wring their hands and blow it all out of proportion. STUFF must be close to implosion amd certainly irrelevance. Nearly all the public are over this cry wolf BS. They just want to get on in a tough economic climate. If it wasn't for the Maori seats Te Patiti Maori wouldn't be in Parliament. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: Don't assume many will turn up. But do expect the media to wring their hands and blow it all out of proportion. STUFF must be close to implosion amd certainly irrelevance. Nearly all the public are over this cry wolf BS. They just want to get on in a tough economic climate. If it wasn't for the Maori seats Te Patiti Maori wouldn't be in Parliament. Same page brother 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted December 4, 2023 Author Share Posted December 4, 2023 2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Don't assume many will turn up. But do expect the media to wring their hands and blow it all out of proportion. STUFF must be close to implosion amd certainly irrelevance. Nearly all the public are over this cry wolf BS. They just want to get on in a tough economic climate. If it wasn't for the Maori seats Te Patiti Maori wouldn't be in Parliament. If it wasn't for the Epsom deal crACT would have been dead and buried years ..ago. They want to loosen laws so people can run around with sub machine guns! Talk about a coalition of...chaos. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 12 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: They want to loosen laws so people can run around with sub machine guns! Gangs have those guns anyway! Doh! 13 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: If it wasn't for the Epsom deal crACT would have been dead and buried years ..ago. What deal? Surely you are not saying they did a deal over Tamaki? You really need to wash the red haze from your eyes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted December 4, 2023 Author Share Posted December 4, 2023 4 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Gangs have those guns anyway! Doh! What deal? Surely you are not saying they did a deal over Tamaki? You really need to wash the red haze from your eyes. If you are not aware of the Epsom 'deal' you are wilfully blind. Big mistake by the Natz. Social disorder ramping up.....can't end..well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 35 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: If you are not aware of the Epsom 'deal' you are wilfully blind. I didn't say there wasn't - but was there a Tamaki deal? 36 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: Social disorder ramping up.....can't end..well. Really? A few hundred Maori protesting is an indicator of social disorder? Of course the Left will be doing their utmost to promote it. Being devoid of intellect it is the all the Left have left. Let me know when the numbers match the protests by Groundswell let alone the Covid marches! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted December 4, 2023 Author Share Posted December 4, 2023 16 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: I didn't say there wasn't - but was there a Tamaki deal? Really? A few hundred Maori protesting is an indicator of social disorder? Of course the Left will be doing their utmost to promote it. Being devoid of intellect it is the all the Left have left. Let me know when the numbers match the protests by Groundswell let alone the Covid marches! There was no Tamaki deal...but without the Epsom deal,this new Frankenstein would not have survived. This anti Govt display is just the beginning....unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted December 4, 2023 Author Share Posted December 4, 2023 Another broken promise from Baldrick-'every taxpayer will receive a “Taxpayer’s Receipt” from Inland Revenue, showing taxes paid and government payments received including Working for Families and benefit payments. It will breakdown where taxpayers’ money has been spent, eg education, health, and welfare.' National To Restore Fiscal Discipline | Scoop News Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 13 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: There was no Tamaki deal Right so ACT have made a niche for themselves in their own right. 13 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: This anti Govt display is just the beginning....unfortunately. LOL well then I hope you have a conscience and you talk to your Lefty and mates and get them to focus on the right things. That said the anti-Government displays aren't going to reach the heights seen under the last Labour Government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 The irony of course is that the last Government did nothing for Maori. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted December 4, 2023 Author Share Posted December 4, 2023 1 minute ago, Chief Stipe said: Right so ACT have made a niche for themselves in their own right. LOL well then I hope you have a conscious and you talk to your Lefty and mates and get them to focus on the right things. That said the anti-Government displays aren't going to reach the heights seen under the last Labour Government. Do you mean...conscience?😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 3 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: Do you mean...conscience?😉 Well half the time I'm not sure you are conscious. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 1 hour ago, holy ravioli said: If it wasn't for the Epsom deal crACT would have been dead and buried years ..ago. They want to loosen laws so people can run around with sub machine guns! Talk about a coalition of...chaos. You must be exhausted H.R and those bruises on your forehead are impacting on your thinking and mood. Get well soon mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 1 hour ago, holy ravioli said: If you are not aware of the Epsom 'deal' you are wilfully blind. Big mistake by the Natz. Social disorder ramping up.....can't end..well. haha @ Social disorder. A bunch of entitled professional protestors pissing everyone off. Ready for the tune to be sung with feet stamping and Maori flag flying. We want more...we want more......more goodies for us now and more guilt for you....more more more 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 16 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: The irony of course is that the last Government did nothing for Maori. but they did a shit ton of virtue signaling while they divided our beautiful country 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted December 4, 2023 Author Share Posted December 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Walt said: but they did a shit ton of virtue signaling while they divided our beautiful country 1 hour ago, Walt said: but they did a shit ton of virtue signaling while they divided our beautiful country Too funny!As if this Govt is going to unite.....people.🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 20 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: Too funny!As if this Govt is going to unite.....people.🙄 Sounds like communism. I think this Government will let people get on with what they need to do. Less nanny state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted December 4, 2023 Author Share Posted December 4, 2023 16 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Sounds like communism. I think this Government will let people get on with what they need to do. Less nanny state. Just another meaningless slogan. I notice everyone embraces 'nanny state' when Covid or natural disasters strike! Wage subsidy,compensation...ask the ...gummint.😄 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 1 hour ago, holy ravioli said: Just another meaningless slogan. I notice everyone embraces 'nanny state' when Covid or natural disasters strike! Wage subsidy,compensation...ask the ...gummint.😄 You do appreciate the wage subsidy and business "loans" were not just about the Government supporting tax payers....with tax payer dosh? They couldn't possibly have pushed ahead with the lock down agenda without those payments....unless they wanted unprecedented rioting. If we are going to discuss what the Government did during that period, it would be remiss not to discuss the long list of things they got terribly wrong while abusing the power they had. The Maori protesting today was organized by vested interest professional protestors. How dare the Government hold on to the sweetie bag that entitled Maori now wrongly believe is their right to tuck into all day every day. A few months ago, I visited a Maori birthing unit. Wow! it was hugely impressive with all the latest mod cons. It's the best funded birthing facility I've seen in NZ. ...meanwhile, other facilities for the rest of NZ struggle along making do with what they have desperate to be funded adequately. In numerous areas if Maori want the same treatment as "others"...they will be making taking big steps backward. I can promise you that if that facility was for "other" New Zealanders, Maori would be out in the street protesting....again 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted December 5, 2023 Author Share Posted December 5, 2023 7 minutes ago, Walt said: You do appreciate the wage subsidy and business "loans" were not just about the Government supporting tax payers....with tax payer dosh? They couldn't possibly have pushed ahead with the lock down agenda without those payments....unless they wanted unprecedented rioting. If we are going to discuss what the Government did during that period, it would be remiss not to discuss the long list of things they got terribly wrong while abusing the power they had. The Maori protesting today was organized by vested interest professional protestors. How dare the Government hold on to the sweetie bag that entitled Maori now wrongly believe is their right to tuck into all day every day. A few months ago, I visited a Maori birthing unit. Wow! it was hugely impressive with all the latest mod cons. It's the best funded birthing facility I've seen in NZ. ...meanwhile, other facilities for the rest of NZ struggle along making do with what they have desperate to be funded adequately. In numerous areas if Maori want the same treatment as "others"...they will be making taking big steps backward. I can promise you that if that facility was for "other" New Zealanders, Maori would be out in the street protesting....again Your latent racism always bubbles to the...surface. As for wage subsidies coys like Harvey Norman posted record profits,special divys and never repaid! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 2 hours ago, holy ravioli said: I notice everyone embraces 'nanny state' when Covid or natural disasters strike! I didn't at all and suffered personally for it. 2 hours ago, holy ravioli said: Wage subsidy,compensation...ask the ...gummint.😄 Who asked for the subsidy? But why not take it if it's there - otherwise your competitors take advantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Walt said: You do appreciate the wage subsidy and business "loans" were not just about the Government supporting tax payers....with tax payer dosh? They couldn't possibly have pushed ahead with the lock down agenda without those payments....unless they wanted unprecedented rioting. If we are going to discuss what the Government did during that period, it would be remiss not to discuss the long list of things they got terribly wrong while abusing the power they had. The Maori protesting today was organized by vested interest professional protestors. How dare the Government hold on to the sweetie bag that entitled Maori now wrongly believe is their right to tuck into all day every day. A few months ago, I visited a Maori birthing unit. Wow! it was hugely impressive with all the latest mod cons. It's the best funded birthing facility I've seen in NZ. ...meanwhile, other facilities for the rest of NZ struggle along making do with what they have desperate to be funded adequately. In numerous areas if Maori want the same treatment as "others"...they will be making taking big steps backward. I can promise you that if that facility was for "other" New Zealanders, Maori would be out in the street protesting....again You should see most of the Marae's. I've always been a proponent of if something is not working do the complete opposite. Stop throwing money at the perceived problem. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 1 hour ago, holy ravioli said: As for wage subsidies coys like Harvey Norman posted record profits,special divys and never repaid! Which shows you how dumb Cindy and Robbo's print the cash and hand it out policy was. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 1 hour ago, holy ravioli said: Your latent racism always bubbles to the...surface. As for wage subsidies coys like Harvey Norman posted record profits,special divys and never repaid! That's a sad and cheap shot that says nothing about me H.R.....but speaks volumes about you. Many agree that the word "racist" has been weaponized in recent years. It's used to shut down robust discussion and also to put speakers on the defensive for having the audacity in a democratic country to have a different perspective. Once again the obvious aim there is to shut discussion down. It mirrors the way discussion about the transgender movement is closed down if you dare disagree with them. For the record, I grew up in Nelson. We didn't have Maori and Pakeha. I feel I speak for many when I say we were just Kiwi's growing up in a beautiful country. I've been on board the pro equity journey for better health outcomes for Maori.......but the Labour Government totally fcked that up. Race relations are a delicate sensitive issue that must be handled carefully and respectfully to all. Labour drove a bulldozer over and through it with arrogance and naivety and in doing so, divided NZ more than at any time since the 1981 Springbok tour. If you live in an echo chamber you may not have noticed any difference but everyone else witnessed it in many ways. Gifting free passes to serious Maori offenders made NZ a less safe place to live and work in. Pushing Maori patients up hospital waiting lists and "others" down based solely on ethnicity was a retrograde and divisive step, especially when you consider Maori have disproportionate demands on the health system anyway due to lifestyle choice. Care and support being dished out like graffiti based on ethnicity rather than need was always going to cause a sense of entitlement in some and resentment in others. To discuss this situation is most definitely not...... latent racism. As much as I dislike it, thank you for showing your hand H.R. It gives context to your input in discussions. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted December 5, 2023 Author Share Posted December 5, 2023 This gummint is off to a great start....oh that's right getting rid of fair pay agreements...another priority!😬 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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