Yankiwi Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 GRNZ's 2nd Quarter - Animal Welfare Progress Report is about due to be published. You know, the one that they send off to the Government that is thinking about closing them down. I thought I'd post the data I had retrieved prior to GRNZ publishing their report to show the data I've collected is basically in line with theirs. I don't expect to exactly match what they publish. As I've mentioned earlier, I do not as a rule track the injuries back thru time like they do. I do however expect it to be very close to the data they provide. Once they publish their version of the 2nd quarter carnage, that began with no clear change in November (the first month of the quarter) as Mr. Dore had claimed, I'll then plug their reported data in manually alongside of my data, like I had done for the first quarter. How will they sugarcoat that every track was over their KPI target percentage for major injuries individually & 50% over their KPI target percentage for all tracks combined? Go ahead and fake news this Chief. Then I'll ask you why you did it after it proves it's well in line with GRNZ's "official" stats. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted April 22 Author Share Posted April 22 December Progress Report long overdue. Only a few days left for the April report as well. Maybe GRNZ is too busy installing Auckland's Nov 2022, Jan 2023 safety rail and getting the Wanganui straight track up & running, which was supposed to be commissioned in May last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted April 22 Author Share Posted April 22 Might as well put these to the list too. Feb 2024 AHWC minutes long overdue. Likely that Apr 2023 AHWC has been held too. What are you hiding GRNZ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeyounexttuesdaytrainers Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 (edited) 5 hours ago, Yankiwi said: Might as well put these to the list too. Feb 2024 AHWC minutes long overdue. Likely that Apr 2023 AHWC has been held too. What are you hiding GRNZ? Animal ‘welfare’ committee dates are: Edited April 22 by Seeyounexttuesdaytrainers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 Isn't the standard process for minutes publication to be after approval which is the month following meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted April 23 Author Share Posted April 23 (edited) Standard process is that you don't change the minutes after they've been signed off, because that would be committing fraud. https://www.grnz.co.nz/Files/Animal Health Welfare Committee minutes/2023 12 13 AHWC Minutes - Draft (1).pdf Edited April 23 by Yankiwi 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 You're obviously not on the GRNZ mailing list. Not sure why... I understand the quarterly report is with the Minister. Isn't up to the Minister to release that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted April 29 Author Share Posted April 29 Feb AHWC minutes have been published. https://www.grnz.co.nz/Files/Animal Health Welfare Committee minutes/00 2024 02 21 AHWC Minutes - Draft (2).pdf One thing I find is very confusing. Who is this Michael? There was no "Michael" either present or in attendance at the meeting. In fact, they didn't even invite a "Michael" to the meeting. Maybe this new Michael is the person who caused all the grief protesting in Cambridge not so long ago... How does Michael know that dogs were not injured because they were raced too often? Does he know the training program at the home kennel of dogs that were injured? Does he know how many trials each dog had run between their race-day starts? Does he have evidence that ensures "the controlling factors" GRNZ has in place within their rules are infallible? Whoever this Michael is, he sure doesn't sound any better than the last Michael they had. You know, the one who said that Manukau & Cambridge led the pack in terms of low injury rates. When mediocre (at best) workmanship masquerades as expertise, no amount of time or money will plug the hole in a sinking ship. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted June 11 Author Share Posted June 11 GRNZ has finally released 2nd quarter data. https://www.grnz.co.nz/Files/Advisories/GRNZ January 2024 Quarterly Report - Final.pdf For some strange reason, they did so by adding the 1st & 2nd quarters together. Seems odd, but so be it. Simple subtraction is an easy task. Major 1, Major 2 & Euth's~ Minor/Medium~ I've taken their newly released data, subtracted the previously released 1st quarter & plugged into my spreadsheet posted above in the threads first post (months ago in March). All in all, they align very closely. As I've explained in the past, there will be expected differences as I don't generally follow injuries reported in Stewards reports back through time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 So basically 99.4% of dogs race without major injury. Interesting the correlation between the number of inspections and the injury rate. Unless the data is normalised there is the possibility of bias skewing the results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted June 12 Author Share Posted June 12 35 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: So basically 99.4% of dogs race without major injury. Actually the 0.6% I use for GRNZ's Major+ KPI was being slightly generous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 1 minute ago, Yankiwi said: Actually the 0.6% I use for GRNZ's Major+ KPI was being slightly generous. That may not be possible. Where is the industry benchmark data for Greyhound Racing? Also if the number of inspections increase then previous rates need to be normalised to account for the change in testing criteria and or sampling rate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted June 12 Author Share Posted June 12 My figures show 17990 starters in the first two quarters of the season. So for drug testing reporting, GRNZ is including out of competition dogs as starters! With that the case, then GRNZ also should be including injury statistics from those same "trials" If they record a start from a dog in a trial for drug testing purposes, then they must include them in their injury reporting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted June 12 Author Share Posted June 12 15 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Where is the industry benchmark data for Greyhound Racing? Look here. https://www.grnz.co.nz/Files/Advisories/GRNZ January 2024 Quarterly Report - Final.pdf You'll even find this bit there too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 3 hours ago, Yankiwi said: Look here. https://www.grnz.co.nz/Files/Advisories/GRNZ January 2024 Quarterly Report - Final.pdf You'll even find this bit there too. That's not the benchmark I was looking for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted June 12 Author Share Posted June 12 (edited) 57 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: That's not the benchmark I was looking for. Isn't this what you're looking for, which is in that report. Or is it this one, in the GRNZ 2021 Annual Report, which would be covering the 20/21 season? https://www.grnz.co.nz/Files/Annual report 2021/2021 GRNZ Annual Report_v10.pdf Notice the high rate of major 1 injuries that were recorded. As I've said elsewhere, many of those weren't injuries at all. Many were 28-day injury standdowns that were given by vets to uninjured dogs so trainers could avoid an FTP charge, which you've already ridiculed me about. 21/22 saw some reduction when they put the clamps on the practice. 22/23 saw a similar reduction once they got full control of it. Another subject ~ Major 2 (>42 days) has been on a sharp rise since the benchmark season. 2020/2021 = 1.9/1000 (benchmark above) 2021/2022 = 2.1/1000 2022/2023 = 2.2/1000 2023/2024 (current season) = in my data (which you hate) I have major 2 + Euth currently at (87 +11)/31464 or 3.1/1000. However, you'll have to wait about a year to hear about that news from the officials, if they're allowed to continue. Up until then, you'll have to hear them keep cackling on about how wonderful they are doing. Edited June 12 by Yankiwi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 Where GRNZ and you both go wrong is neither of you seem to understand data. What is considered the Greyhound Racing Industry benchmark for injury per starter? In my opinion racing Greyhounds has an inherent risk factor I.e. as with any high performance sport involving animals there is a standard rate of injury. Not to mention what happens if you increase the sampling rate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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