The Centaur Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 This is a miscarriage of justice. Wrecking Weirs new business is vindictive and against legal principles. In fact its just laughable how so called intelligent legal ****wits can be so stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted September 3 Author Share Posted September 3 2 hours ago, The Centaur said: This is a miscarriage of justice. Wrecking Weirs new business is vindictive and against legal principles. In fact its just laughable how so called intelligent legal ****wits can be so stupid. At least Weir's daughter's are primed to take over. I guess they can't ban fireside chats or fatherly advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Centaur Posted October 17 Share Posted October 17 At last the big guns coming out firing. The VRT (Victoria Tribunal) will get their comeuppance. https://www.racing.com/news/2024-10-17/news-stewards-weir-lodges-supreme-court-appeal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted October 17 Share Posted October 17 1 hour ago, The Centaur said: At last the big guns coming out firing. The VRT (Victoria Tribunal) will get their comeuppance. https://www.racing.com/news/2024-10-17/news-stewards-weir-lodges-supreme-court-appeal Except the big guns here may prove to be the Supreme Court. Time will tell, but I don't see that he has much of a case myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted October 17 Author Share Posted October 17 53 minutes ago, curious said: Except the big guns here may prove to be the Supreme Court. Time will tell, but I don't see that he has much of a case myself. Not even the double jeopardy argument? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted October 17 Share Posted October 17 I don't see that any double jeopardy exists. The current penalty relates to different charges. You can't commit two separate murders and claim double jeopardy for the second because you've served your time for the first. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Centaur Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 On 3/09/2024 at 5:04 PM, Chief Stipe said: At least Weir's daughter's are primed to take over. I guess they can't ban fireside chats or fatherly advice. Maybe there is a case for all trainers to be in a partnership. If Weir had been in partnership all that could have happened is he departed the partnership. All clients would have stayed in the stable. Thats what happens when a lawyer in partnership is suspended and barred from practising. Why should there be any difference .....oh thats right lawyers are privileged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted October 18 Author Share Posted October 18 19 hours ago, curious said: I don't see that any double jeopardy exists. The current penalty relates to different charges. You can't commit two separate murders and claim double jeopardy for the second because you've served your time for the first. I disagree. The later charges are essentially the same as the first except in the latter there was "new" evidence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 29 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: I disagree. The later charges are essentially the same as the first except in the latter there was "new" evidence. they're different Chief. The first sentence of four years was for 'Possession' of the jiggers. Seems there must be a rule somewhere , where Licensed Trainers are not allowed them in their possession . I've seen them on farms though , along with electric fences too. 🤔 The 2nd charge is from actually using them said jiggers on 3 horses. (Video evidence is available I believe somehow) . now that is very damning. and how did his accomplices get off so light. That's a much much more serious charge? IMO it is anyway. you've got 'proven deliberate animal cruelty' involved then. way more serious than just having the damn things. as far as 'possession' goes , I could have a cellar full of medieval torture devices. I might be a collector , but should I be charged with anything ? If I went to use them on someone then YES. But what's in my cellar should be my business if I don't. I accept that 'weapons' should be licensed. wonder if crossbows have to licensed? It is interesting what you are allowed to possess. now where's my afternoon stash I wonder 😋 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 (edited) 56 minutes ago, Gammalite said: That's a much much more serious charge? IMO it is anyway. you've got 'proven deliberate animal cruelty' involved then. way more serious than just having the damn things. And punters, owners, jockeys, other trainers and the public image of the industry were all screwed. That's aside from the abhorrent cruelty involved. His penalty for these charges seems mild and has been substantially mitigated from the 10 years sought by stewards. Is he at risk here of the penalty being increased by the court? The very fact that he is challenging it makes it appear to me that he hasn't learned much. Edited October 18 by curious 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted 11 hours ago Share Posted 11 hours ago https://paulickreport.com/news/the-biz/louisiana-state-police-say-jockey-possessed-five-shocking-devices Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted 11 hours ago Share Posted 11 hours ago That is for possession and he was straight to jail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted 4 hours ago Author Share Posted 4 hours ago 6 hours ago, curious said: That is for possession and he was straight to jail. You have left out the rest of his misdemeanours including falsifying documents, having been caught prior using the devices in a stakes race and lastly having five of them in his possession on a racecourse at a meeting where he was booked to ride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago 2 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: You have left out the rest of his misdemeanours including falsifying documents, having been caught prior using the devices in a stakes race and lastly having five of them in his possession on a racecourse at a meeting where he was booked to ride. Sure, but the jailing was immediate for the possession charge. No doubt those other factors will be taken into account on penalty if he is convicted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted 4 hours ago Author Share Posted 4 hours ago 21 minutes ago, curious said: Sure, but the jailing was immediate for the possession charge. No doubt those other factors will be taken into account on penalty if he is convicted. I think you'll find that the document fraud was the charges that jailed him. The USA Feds and court system really hammers document fraud. For example that is primarily what put the PED cheats away I.e. not the drugs themselves. Osuna was arrested and transported to the St. Landry Parish Jail, where he was booked on filing false public documents, falsifying information on a racing document, injuring public records, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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