NZTR AGM

[Murray Fish]

Catlyn Calder,  replying to a Post about what had or not been posted on the Offical Website.

"Hi Steve I actually manage the NZTR website and this document is always readily available after our AGM. The annual report legally goes through third party auditing, and several boards for approval. I know this because it is currently being prepared for our AGM on 26 November where it will be tabled and available for you at that time. If you ever need help finding info feel free to reach out and we will be happy to help."

then, in jumps Colin Wightman

Hi Catlyn. Who is entitled or welcome to attend the NZTR AGM?

Catlyn Calder:

Colin Wightman Club Committee and Club Management members, as well as all Committee and Management members of each Recognised Industry Organisations for Owners, Trainers, Breeders and Jockeys.

Colin Wightman

Do owners, the underwriters of racing have a right to attend the AGM?What I mean by that question is that at least 98 percent of owners don’t belong to the Owners Association and yet by weight of money they are the biggest investors and bank rollers in Thoroughbred racing.

So if we were to relate that to say a shareholders meeting, the majority of shareholders are closed out. Does that seem reasonable to you Catlyn?

[Murray Fish]

(talking to myself)

There were two reasons I posted this up!

1: It was rather interesting to see a Worker From HO putting their hand up and commenting on a Group page like Race Chat!

2: It was to show Colons actual level of Political 'Realpolitik', note how he was told how to get involved in a Official/democratic way! He shows his stripes (gutless) with his shallow after rant!!

Please tell if I am Wrong, would it not be actually on of the easiest groups (Owners Ass) to just take over 'democratically'  via a digital campaign to get actual members to front and vote in the likes of a Colon, or others of their championing! Democracy in Action

[curious]

The problem with that is that the Owners' Federation has less than 500 members of the 15,000 owners and are significantly funded by NZTR ($30,000 per year I think).

[Murray Fish]

4 hours ago, curious said:

The problem with that is that the Owners' Federation has less than 500 members of the 15,000 owners and are significantly funded by NZTR ($30,000 per year I think).

If only that small amount of numbers, then doesn't that just make it easier to attempt for a like minded grouping to make a play for Leadership, at least that gets you some hearing at the AGM.  I think there is some funny peculiar  re ownership around the need of Trainers to have a share is more and more horses. Many can run the risk of ending up waterboarding themselves.. 

Any Idea who attends the AGM from Owners Fed?

[curious]

11 minutes ago, Murray Fish said:

If only that small amount of numbers, then doesn't that just make it easier to attempt for a like minded grouping to make a play for Leadership, at least that gets you some hearing at the AGM.  I think there is some funny peculiar  re ownership around the need of Trainers to have a share is more and more horses. Many can run the risk of ending up waterboarding themselves.. 

Any Idea who attends the AGM from Owners Fed?

No. An owners Fed rep is there because it is the legislated (Racing Act) rep of the owners, along with the TA and JA.

[Murray Fish]

1 hour ago, curious said:

No. An owners Fed rep is there because it is the legislated (Racing Act) rep of the owners, along with the TA and JA.

So who elects them?

 

[curious]

17 minutes ago, Murray Fish said:

So who elects them?

 

Effectively, the members of each. They do not have voting rights at the NZTR AGM though, only member clubs do.

[Murray Fish]

1 hour ago, curious said:

They do not have voting rights at the NZTR AGM

can the put up policy to be voted on?

 

1 hour ago, curious said:

only member clubs do.

Which use to be pro rata re how many race days? 

[curious]

58 minutes ago, Murray Fish said:

can the put up policy to be voted on?

Not unless they do so via a member club. They can't put forward there own motion directly.

59 minutes ago, Murray Fish said:

Which use to be pro rata re how many race days? 

On any question put to the vote at a General Meeting of Thoroughbred Racing, the
number of votes which the Representative of each Club shall be entitled to exercise
(if such Club is entitled to vote on such question) shall be one vote for each Race
Date which the Club has been allocated in the Racing Year in which the vote is
occurring

[Chief Stipe]

11 hours ago, curious said:

Not unless they do so via a member club. They can't put forward there own motion directly.

On any question put to the vote at a General Meeting of Thoroughbred Racing, the
number of votes which the Representative of each Club shall be entitled to exercise
(if such Club is entitled to vote on such question) shall be one vote for each Race
Date which the Club has been allocated in the Racing Year in which the vote is
occurring

So basically it is what Ellerslie (ATR) wants?

[curious]

20 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

So basically it is what Ellerslie (ATR) wants?

With a bit of help from WTR and the CJC, certainly. But that has always been the case pretty much.

[Chief Stipe]

15 minutes ago, curious said:

With a bit of help from WTR and the CJC, certainly. But that has always been the case pretty much.

Should be one track one vote.

[Murray Fish]

3 hours ago, curious said:

With a bit of help from WTR and the CJC, certainly. But that has always been the case pretty much.

some things are slower to change that others....

Back in a day, it might have been harder to get on 'the committee' of the big clubs! than most elected positions in the community! To think it was less that 50 years ago that Wgtn RC had 3000+ on their waiting list! The good old days of blackballing! gee, the in house trough was a sight to behold! Even us in the press room got rather well feed! All alcohol from the freshly stocked liquor cabinet had to be taken home, first choose to the senor scribes!

[Murray Fish]

8 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

So basically it is what Ellerslie (ATR) wants?

The real Power in NZ Racing Politics*

I think its important remember that say preceding the big economic changes of the mid 80's, ((a time since when the core working class has got poorer, others, have increase the size of their disposable income, some by quite a lot! Changes have also allowed them a massive increase in where they can spend this x wealth)) it was a time when All Clubs made a profit, there was simple a Add it on the cost,  mentality. The end result was always a actual profit! 

Jump to today! So much smoke and mirrors! Records amount of Propaganda! Lots of Moving Chairs on the Titanic! 

I feel for any 'innocent' that comes along and thinks they can change things! Colon fit that mould!

*NZ Racing Politics, is sort of like a Black Hole, it will suck in anything that gets too close, usually never to be seen again..  It takes a bit of mongrel! or perhaps madness to stay in for a long ride...