Murray Fish

The simple answer Chief is that I be rather cynical about most things to do with the NZ Racing Industry, nothing can convince me that it is not a Sunset Industry, based on the ever declining disposable income of NZ Working Class! No amount of Head Office propaganda is going to change that! Also, the take out rates from the majority of bets on offer from the likes of TAB/ENTAIN are simple vulgar! enough said! Off to the Spelling paddock now for me!

Actually, "In New Zealand, anyone who has been harmed by something online can complain to Netsafe. This includes individuals experiencing online bullying, scams, or other harmful digital communications. Additionally, schools and parents can also contact Netsafe to report incidents or seek advice regarding online harm affecting students. " re the coppers! odds on they would have a good laugh! and then say Seriously!!! It would have been amusing to be a fly on the wall while it was being composed!! I wonder how much thought was given to "who is going to be putting their names to it!!!" rather gutless to not have any names attached! Yet again, more shallow 'procedural politics', par for the course for a Top Down organisation, one that is historically heading towards the sunset...

my thoughts as well! now that he is running with a Whale

his take on this letter: Colin Wightman · Follow All-star contributor · sroetpnoSd2hgy8u5lt06am0:9a fu 7406u4gg00aJ1iu1ti181t9l1 m0u · The subject is “Adherence To Racing Codes Of Conduct”, an un-signed letter put out by the NZ Racing Industry Board (RIB) this afternoon, likely in response to the criticism they have taken from the awful decision made at Wellington in that jumps race that they were ultimately responsible for. Oddly enough, they have used our Code body NZTR to distribute their threat to those who might “abuse” them, whether it’s “verbal, physical, written, digital or psychological”. In other words .. if you bring the RIB and its Stipendary or Judicial control into question, you’re a naughty boy. The letter is addressed to anyone who is involved in the industry, including those who financially underwrite it. Yes, owners. I find the letter very interesting in many ways because it essentially defies people’s rights to participate in what is suppose to be a democratically run country where people have a given right to Freedom Of Expression in the same way that Stakeholders have a right to question the performance of our code bodies (incorporated societies) and legislative authorities such as the RIB who shall be as accountable as anyone else, including members of Parliament. For those of you who have read the letter (someone might like to post it here) it cuts out Greyhound Racing in its references as to who now makes up racing in NZ. Deliberate, or not, I don’t know. When I see letters like this I chuckle because RIB took away the rights of owners to appeal a Raceday decision which is a serious breach of natural justice and the Bill Of Rights. So when I see wording to the effect of “code of conduct” we know it applies both ways .. those underwriting the industry (owners) and those powered to have partial authority over it being NZTR and the RIB. It’s all about having INTEGRITY .. using .. not abusing those powers and applying the Rules Of Racing in keeping with our greater laws. Which reminds me of another classic example of legal breaches is where the 2 horse codes have worked with Winston to push through new legislation to create a TAB monopoly, eliminate offshore competition, where a deal was done with Entain that if the codes ‘paid’ Winston enough to push it through that Entain would find $100 million to reward them. Integrity in racing? Are you kidding me? We have laws that criminalise this type of commercial behaviour contained in the Commerce Act 1986 under many sections, including S36D. So it’s all very well the RIB threatening those who voice their rightful opinion on “digital” platforms .. but if it’s TRUE .. it’s bloody TRUE. If those of us who underwrite the industry with our horses aren’t happy with those running the show, then we have every right to bring exposure to the many shonky happenings we see on a regular basis that the RIB turn a blind eye to .. including the little property dealing fiefdom going on there at Trentham. My question to those reading the RIB letter .. do you see it as a threat against your rights to express your opinion? <ends>

needs to be taken around the back of the bike shed and given a bit of the old *#*$#$&**(# do they read it? Sadly, he has a serious case of Infantile Disorder, as yet! I'm not to sure that there is a cure for that sort of thing! The silver lining, is that he thrown some serious $$$$ at the game!

tick! I've attempted to point this approach of increasing 'the take out' over a spectrum of bets ends up rather counter productive. It has been pointed out too via comments by some pro punters over the ditch in some articles about declining punting figures. Slowly but surely the average mug punter loses their money quicker! sigh, but propaganda is the one area of the industry that is increasing faster that anything else!

Speaking to the head stipe down this way, I Know that he is serious about having tracks that are safe! Re how can you know that a track is safe before the 1st. It seems to me that there is a bit if a logical conundrum to over come! If you send them around and that proves that the track is Not Safe! then logically have you not practiced safe H&S? If you say send x riders and horses around before the first and that proves that they tracks is not safe, then again unsafe H&S? Also, if is before the 1st, how many do you send around so that a decent representative part of the track is covered? Will the problem be solved by having a mounted Robot weighted to the average jockey to pre test! again, how many do you send around? Who provides the horses for any testing? hence a serious conundrum in ever play! Does head office just provide large insurance polices for the riders and just send them around! What I do know! is that at certain tracks there were 'known' areas of x tracks that there were problems! Having the ear of certain trainers and riders I know that to be a fact! Then we have the old chestnut of many don't want to stick their heads above the parapet! one trainer who did speak up felt he got way to much flack for doing so, so stopped doing so!

I used to go to all the Public Discussions held at Wingatui and Forbury early this century! There might have been close to 500 at the first Wingatui one! The Numbers seem to halve for each new one! Last one was the at Forbury when J Allan was there! I did 'overtalk' him. He didn't seem to take it to heart and would always reply in full to any emails I sent his way! I have pointed our before, the average horse person does tend to be on the conservative side of life! Not to many will speak up in a public forum etc. Normally they will form groups afterwards and talk things through amongst themselves! I note that when we went to two southern meetings! Spoke to at least 20 people, all had serious histories with ownership and breeding etc, all got fired up! Just about all are slowly exiting the industry, par for the course! Re MPI, that was mostly about 4 years ago when there was a spate of 'sending the jockeys around to prove the track was not safe', The opened a File on the Industry, meaning serious stuff if any serious H&S injuries be happening... sigh

I have stood up, at those meetings, being short of statue! you might not have seen me! but definitely would have Heard me! Also, re the 'unsafe tracks', brought it up and made it known to MPI. Blackballed and alienated for doing so...

is that code for selling Avondale?

(plus) Dale submitted. It was unlikely the industry could be damaged by a posting on an industry website where views were freely exchanged. (ends) surely this must still apply? including facebook pages/groups as in the one where Colon W posts a lot https://www.facebook.com/groups/424229018789803

""Testing the safety of tracks by running races on them is unconscionable. So if the finger is pointed at the stewards responsible on the day that is surely reasonable" There has been some progress re this sort of thing! enough?

It seems me withdrawing my funds from my TAB acc didn't have much effect!

a rather large Full Moon currently! seem like some a howling at it!

go on! I just had a look for it at Loveracing, couldn't find it? where was it published?