Murray Fish

Would it be correct to say that they now be one of the biggest owners currently racing Horses in NZ? A quick look at their page on https://www.tab.co.nz/racing-club shows that the stable now has build up to 34 Horses, 1 in Active, getting ready for it fresh up run on July 20th, 17 are in Training, 16 are out spelling. About a 66/34 split Gallops v Harness. Sitting here in the cheaps seats! a fascinating, in public game, of 'the reality of racing a horse' <- with the actual costs of doing so hidden behind a corporate screen! v's the posible propaganda of championing of 'the sport' along with its highs and lows of said ownership! A classic case of Reality v Propaganda! lol, one of those is batting 1,000 (in baseball the MLB average is .250) v's not to sure what the average would be for Team Propaganda? Do many 'boay's' follower the progress of this 'club'

100% no my date is march 2026 not personally! more so for me about the sad reality of me being rather seriously Bitter and Twisted! spite! more on that sort of thing below! Personally, my betting has been decreasing year on year, both the number of bets and the size of the bets. Mostly around the state of the tracks and the way racing has/is being shown on TV. Of course the take out rates on many bets are just vulgar and only a 'mug' or fun punter would be playing into them! Re the tracks, once when I was in a very privileged position of having the ear to the opinions of some very successful jockeys (and a couple of Trainers) I learnt that once moister increases on a track then X horses don't gallop their best! Paradoxically, A horse that might like a track with some increased moister but still not actually gallop their best on the track presented on that day! With head office dictating that a track must be x at the start of the day has meant that x amount of water has to be put on! Leading to different parts of a track having a different x rating, Meaning a horse might be handling and not handling a track on any given day! Over the ditch there has been some interesting research showing this to be in play! Trying to pick a winner has got harder in my book for most punters! though, for a small vein of punters, with connections to a leading rider/stable, it might have got a tad easier because the depth of competition in many races is no longer there! Hence, as the tracks have seriously play worse! My betting has massively decreased! At certain tracks, where I used to do most of my serious punting, as they got so bad that I stopped betting on them! As in Trentham and Riccarton! Re Coverage of Racing. A while back (20 years ago???) as the ever increasing quality of digital camera technology came into being, it was 'promised' that we would be getting better coverage from the Track. In a very small way that has happen, as in Champions day. ( a day in which I rather shocked myself by having 5 decent bets) What has increased! massively has be the number races are shown! The build up to most races has decreased! Often you don't get to see all the horses! At times you don't even get to see all the favourites in a race! As a punter whose betting is 95% framed around how well 'my punting eye' see the horse in their prerace presentation, in how well they do their prelims and how well the look around at the starting stalls! More often than not! I ended up getting rather frustrated!!! The reality of the 'a race every 5mins' and with that the lack of seeing the horses has meant that I slowly stopped watching lots of nz races, which meant that the number of horses that I had/have in my 'blackbook' has slowly but surely been decreasing and with that my number of bets have decreased as well! A while ago, 'marketing dept championed the halo effect', once that was very true about me and my betting. I was involved with a couple of betting syndicates. A couple of them turned over 100k plus, year on year. My main key role in them was to find suitable horses for the black type races. As the reality of watering the tracks kicked in and I voiced my thoughts on them! I started to get some kick back from certain key paid players in the game! One even writing to many claiming that I need to be 'blackballed' out of Industry! I would like to think that my directed criticism did help in changing the reality around "it is no longer acceptable to send the riders around in the 1st to Prove that the track is not safe!!!" I tip my hat to 'the stipes' who now front up and will make the call to stop racing on any given day! Sadly, the historical problems with many tracks is still being played out! Perhaps something on Sports betting! It has been something that I have always had a interest, going back way before the TAB got involved. Back when I use to run a Billiards Room I use to 'run a book' Once the TAB offered their odds! Team R&B winning rather a lot was very profitable! I only wound down as Rugby became rather boring to watch! It surprises many today when I stop watching/betting. Jumping to the present, for the last couple of years my betting has moved over to NFL in a very minor way! MLB now has my focus, I love how there is so much info re this sport, if you want to find it and use it. If I was ever to get serious and be trying to pay the rent via betting on anything, then this would be the sport! If I was going to be doing so! then I don't see how you could be successful enough betting with the TAB, as I think serious abridging would be need to grind out a profit! Betting with multiple bookies would be needed! I reckon for modern betting, lots of focused brain power is needed, age negates that so! leaving, it be off to the punters retirement home.. Also, one thing that has keep me in, not betting related! is the reality of my 'racing photo collection'. I'm slowly getting it better organised, am working on doing some sort of 'final showing', sigh.... What I do know is the end of my interest re 'things racing' is on track to me being gone! Knowing that there are other areas in my life that I can be getting a lot more joy from! rave over!! ps, I could say that I have been hanging in there as backroom support for a certain jockey, that has now came to a end....

it starts at the 26.50 mark

Over the last two days we visited 2 SI tracks! I don't know what the clegg or track rating was, gave it the shoe test! That was after walking a few k's all over said course!

Greyhound Racing New Zealand Snroospdte61:7m0uc15J97a4323 4n382ta45g8t03 ah2 11tuae84l2hc · New analysis details Government annual gift of $119m to multinational gambling company Greyhound Racing New Zealand has released new analysis detailing the extent to which the Government is financially supporting a multinational gambling giant. It comes as the Government is expected this week to pass the Racing Industry Amendment Bill into law, creating a digital monopoly on gambling for Entain. The analysis, prepared by an independent consultant, details the financial help required for Entain to meet its funding guarantee of $150m per year to the racing industry. The funding guarantee, combined with a guarantee to retain approximately 450 TAB staff until June 2025, were set under the terms of the agreement when the TAB’s betting business was outsourced to Entain in 2023. The analysis estimates in dollar terms the value of the Government’s support to bail out Entain so it can limit its losses in meeting the terms of its deal until 2029. The passage of legislation to block New Zealanders from gambling offshore will boost Entain annual revenues by at least $75m per year. The retention of gambling on Australian greyhounds after the ban comes into effect, will preserve Entain gross betting revenues of approximately $44m per year. Without these actions by the Government, Entain would be faced with an estimated revenue deficit of $26m per year. Greyhound Racing New Zealand CEO Edward Rennell said: “The Government has chosen to bail out a multinational gambling company at the expense of ordinary Kiwis. “It will shamelessly pass laws and create digital monopolies so Entain can meet its funding guarantees and obligations to private shareholders. “Entain won’t need to compete to win new revenue as it was brought in to do. It will be gifted it by banning Kiwis from using non-Entain betting providers and retaining gambling on Australian greyhound racing. “The decision to keep taking money from Australian greyhound races, but strip thousands of regional Kiwis of their livelihoods and passion, is depressingly cynical and hypocritical. “Gross income of $44 million dollars each year will now be sliced up between the Government, Entain and the equine codes and not go to the thousands of trainers, owners, and breeders involved in greyhound racing. “It’s a reverse Robin Hood. The Government is taking money from the provinces to save face on a bad deal and keep the money flowing into Entain, thoroughbred and harness racing.” /Ends For further information contact: Liam Constable – 029 200 9842 EDITORS NOTES Timeline of Entain – TAB deal: March 2023: TAB and Entain agreed to enter a strategic partnership agreement where TAB has delegated its betting and wagering functions to Entain. May 2023: The partnership was approved by then Racing Minister Labour’s Kieran McAnulty, outsourcing TAB’s monopoly betting operation to Entain for 25 years, a UK-listed multinational. 50% revenue share between Entain and the TAB. May 2023: TAB sought a variation to its authorisation of its arrangements with Tabcorp to reflect strategic partnership with Entain. June 2023: The partnership officially started on June 1, 2023. Entain Guarantees under the terms of sale: Entain provided TAB $150 million upfront a with a guaranteed $150 million for the first five years. $10 million sponsorship for racing carnivals. On passage of the Racing Amendment bill into law: $100 million payment from Entain, $80 million to be shared between thoroughbred and harness racing Entain committed to no forced redundancies for first 24 months of the agreement, due to expire this month (June 2025). Book value of Entain’s TAB licence assets, if the Racing Amendment legislation goes through: According to Entain’s March 2025 annual report, the estimated value of the New Zealand TAB licence assets was $2.7 billion NZD, including the potential introduction of the legislation.

A questitmat price? more than the filly?

The owners of champion mare Winx will offer the 25-time Group 1 winner’s second live foal to the market, entrusting auction house Inglis to sell her Snitzel colt next year on their behalf. The colt by Snitzel out of Winx with Inglis' Sebastian Hutch. )Photo: Inglis) The valuable colt by Arrowfield’s late four-time champion sire will take centre stage at Inglis’ Riverside Stables complex in early April, two years after his half-sister by Pierro sold for a world record $10 million at the Australian Easter Yearling Sale. The colt’s breeders Peter and Patty Tighe, Woppitt Bloodstock and Elizabeth and Rick Treweeke asked Inglis to pitch for the opportunity to sell the November 25-born colt. Armed with the precedent of last year’s yearling sale benchmark price and the associated fanfare, Inglis put forward what chief executive Sebastian Hutch says was a compelling and ultimately successful case to sell Winx’s first colt. “I suppose the process really was reasonably similar (to when the Pierro filly was canvassed for sale), although it has happened slightly earlier in the calendar year than what's happened with the filly,” Hutch told The Straight. “Certainly from our end, we built a good rapport with the ownership group through the sale of the filly in 2024. “It was a fantastic experience and I suppose our whole team felt like we worked hard and effectively in making a positive one for the owners. So, I think we had some credits in the bank with them.” advertisement The Pierro filly’s sale attracted global headlines within and outside racing and bloodstock circles due to her rarity and the fact horses of her pedigree are rarely sold by their breeders. An emotional Debbie Kepitis of Woppitt Bloodstock paid $10 million to buy out the Treweekes and Tighes, holding off the the challenge from American owner and breeder John Stewart who lived up to his public statements that he’d go to $9 million in an effort to buy Winx’s first foal. Named Quinceanera, the unraced two-year-old is in training with Chris Waller, the man who guided Winx throughout her remarkable 43-start career. Hutch has inspected the Snitzel colt a few times this year and he has been taken by the colt’s demeanour and conformation with a “nice shape” and “good, clean limbs”. “Probably the first thing that struck me when I saw him for the first time was I was really taken aback by how strong he was when I saw him in the mid-summer of this year, back in January. I was just a bit shocked at how strong he was,” Hutch said. “He was a very impressive horse then, and I've seen him a couple of times since. Obviously, he's still a very young horse and he's changed and grown and developed and what have you, but I took real encouragement from that first time I saw him. The colt out of Winx is expected to be highly sought after. {Photo: Inglis) “Obviously, his sister, from my experience, was quite similar to the dam, just in terms of colour and just even her aesthetics through her head, etc. “This horse has markings that people will see as being consistent with plenty of nice Snitzels that they've seen, a bit of white through his face.” Peter Tighe has little doubt that Winx’s Snitzel colt will command attention from domestic and overseas owners when he ventures into the Sydney sales ring. “The thrill the sale of the Pierro filly last year gave the ownership group was indescribable, it absolutely blew our minds, the team at Inglis did an incredible job and we think the Snitzel colt will get the attention of investors from right around the world in 2026,” Tighe said. “The journey Winx, and then her Pierro daughter, has taken us on has been incredible and now somebody else gets the rare opportunity to buy a son of arguably the greatest race mare we have ever seen, certainly in our eyes at least.’’ Snitzel died earlier this month at a time when his progeny have never been so highly sought after, with his current yearlings averaging a career-high $656,889 and selling to a high of $2.8 million at the Magic Millions in January. The appearance of Stewart, now a major bloodstock investor globally, for the first time at the 2024 Easter sale via Inglis managing director Mark Webster ensured there was sales ring theatrics like no other and the $10 million result, making the Pierro filly the highest-priced yearling ever sold. ADVERTISEMENT Hutch says there were other international buyers who were interested in Winx’s first foal who could be bidders on the colt next year. “There was certainly one major Japanese investor. I think most people would have thought they would have had enough money to buy the filly at Easter in 2024, but they pretty much couldn't even get a bid in,” Hutch said. “I know that was a source of disappointment for them, but I think the colt has the capacity to make no less appeal to them, maybe even more. He's a pretty fascinating young horse. “Hopefully he can have a good spring, a straightforward summer and then prep nicely for the sale.” Kepitis is understandably enamored with the colt. “He’s a very handsome boy. Just wait until you see him, he’s got everything going for him,’’ Kepitis said. “From the day he was born he’s been a very charismatic horse. He has been bred to win a Cox Plate and anyone who looks at him tells me that he has all the right physical characteristics to be an elite racehorse.’’ Winx, a four-time Cox Plate winner and one of Australia’s best racehorses of all time whose racecourse feats transcended the racing public, has endured a difficult time as a broodmare. Her first foal, by I Am Invincible, was born dead, prompting her owners to rest the mare for a season. She subsequently had the Pierro filly before failing to get in foal to Snitzel in 2022, but the mating was successful a year later, producing the colt. His late birth date again saw Winx’s owners rest her last year with Darley’s returning champion young shuttle sire Too Darn Hot in line to cover the Street Cry mare in the upcoming breeding season.

(blush) meant to say $5... one cash bet and a series of deposit bonus bets.. have licked you a pm...

interesting question! total refund of all bets? I see the Dq horse did get some stake money

i got them at 5/1 I had a small covering bet on Orioles.. 30 bucks, cashed it out @1.07

I have locked in quite a few for the Dodgers to go all the way... I just had a quick look and they are starting to be offering me some nice $ to cash out, rather tempted to!!!

have not seen any! and NOTHING on Loveracing site... lots of threads on facebook, very few comments suggesting it be the riders at fault!

I follow MLB (watch at least 15o+ games a season! and often flick over to Live Play, TAB always suspending betting! Often the will go days with taking down certain Outright bets!!! ps. Go the mighty Dodger$$

https://www.facebook.com/100002419548128/videos/pcb.1393073945238634/1380830463124331

Race 1 NORM BEVAN MEMORIAL MAIDEN STEEPLECHASE 4000m MUSE (H McNeill) - Very slow to begin. Hampered near the 500 metres SMUG (M Roustoby) - Jumped the first fence awkwardly. CANULOVEMEAGAIN (C Wiles) - Jumped the first fence awkwardly. Jumped the double on the first occasion awkwardly. ZEEFA ZED (E Farr) - Misjudged the third fence. Badly hampered near the 500 metres. Underwent a post-race veterinary examination which revealed the gelding to have suffered an injury to the right foreleg. Connections were advised a veterinary clearance would be required prior to racing next. FABULOUS NANCY (J Parker) - Put in a poor jump at the fourth fence. COUNTRYMAN (K Wiles) - Misjudged the final fence in the in-field, blundering on landing, dislodging rider K Wiles. K Wiles was examined by St John paramedics and cleared to ride. CATCH AND RELEASE (D Parker) - Made the first bend awkwardly. Pulled up lame past the winning post and was immediately attended to by the on-course veterinarian with the Horse Ambulance being deployed. The gelding was found to have suffered a fracture to its right hind fetlock being humanely euthanized. HEY HEY HEY (W Featherstone) - Rider unbalanced near the 500 metres. Following the running of the race, Stewards requested a ruling from the Adjudicative Committee under Rule 640(1)(a) alleging three runners had taken the incorrect course on the final occasion by accessing a gap in the outside rail near the 600 metres. After viewing footage and considering submissions the Adjudicative Committee disqualified (5) SMUG, (1) CATCH AND RELEASE and (9) FABULOUS NANCY. Final placings are now, 1 st HEY HEY HEY, 2nd ZEEFA ZED, 3rd MUSE. M Roustoby (SMUG) - Admitted a charge under Rule 638(1)(e) in that he took the wrong course with SMUG subsequently being disqualified from 1st placing. After hearing submissions, the Adjudicative Committee suspended his licence to ride in races from the conclusion of racing today, Saturday, 28 June, until the conclusion of racing on Sunday, 19 July, 3 weeks. D Parker (CATCH AND RELEASE) - Admitted a charge under Rule 638(1)(e) in that he took the wrong course with CATCH AND RELEASE subsequently being disqualified from 5 th placing. After hearing submissions, the Adjudicative Committee suspended his licence to ride in races from the conclusion of racing on Sunday, 6 July, until the conclusion of racing on Sunday, 27 July, 3 weeks. J Parker (FABULOUS NANCY) - Admitted a charge under Rule 638(1)(e) in that he took the wrong course with FABULOUS NANCY subsequently being disqualified from 6th placing. After hearing submissions, the Adjudicative Committee suspended his licence to ride in races from the conclusion of racing, Saturday, 5 July, until the conclusion of racing on Saturday, 26 July, 3 weeks.

Suspensions: Race 1 D Parker CATCH AND RELEASE Incompetent riding [Rule 638(1)(e)] Suspended 7/7-27/7, 3 weeks J Parker FABULOUS NANCY Incompetent riding [Rule 638(1)(e)] Suspended 6/7-26/7, 3 weeks M Roustoby SMUG Incompetent riding [Rule 638(1)(e)] Suspended 29/6-19/7, 3 weeks Request for Ruling: Race 1 Rule 640(1) (a) Horse Actions: Race 1 1 1 1 CATCH AND RELEASE Disqualified [Rule 640(1)(a)] Humanely euthanized SMUG Disqualified [Rule 640(1)(a)] FABULOUS NANCY Disqualified [Rule 640 (1)(a)] ZEEFA ZED Veterinary clearance required

where you be planning to go?

how did work out they come up with the prize money for the D horses? Plc # Stake 1 4 Hey Hey HeyWill Featherstone $11,200 2 7 Zeefa ZedEmily Farr $3,600 3 8 MuseHamish McNeill (A) $1,800 LR 3 CountrymanKylan Wiles $700 D 9 Fabulous NancyJoshua Parker $700 D 5 SmugMichael Roustoby $400 D 1 Catch And ReleaseDean Parker $400 P 2 CanulovemeagainCorey Wiles $400

a doctored finish photo!

oh dear me... https://loveracing.nz/RaceInfo/53394/1/Race-Detail.aspx

doh! I have not been looking a them lately, popped in to see if a young rider was having any rides and see that they not longer have the Trainers and Rider options? am I missing something? or have they dropped them?

we were going to go! noted the weather! cancelled and headed off to Cromwell for 3 days instead! 4c out side, with a serious wind chill.. snow not to far up the hills!

surprised to see so many don't have a photo up.

8 going for 1,000 wow..