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I could suggest that it is the shrinking disposable income that the NZ working class has! that has been falling since mid 80's. It rather mirrors the decline of the Industry here in NZ!

anyone know of any? (as mentioned) Look at MLB, every game the public picks the player of the game.. and mass import into who picks the players for the All Star game, similar for NFL....

(for those that don't have a fb account eorge Simon: Going the early crow catches me out again George Simon • June 30th, 2025 3:08 PM The field in action in the Norm Bevan Memorial Maiden Steeplechase at Trentham on Saturday. Credit: Race Images What's going on with these maiden steeplechase races? Two weeks ago, we saw a calamitous race at Te Rapa where just two of the original seven starters completed the race. At Trentham on Saturday, we saw another fiasco in the opening race of the day. After jumping the second to last fence, race leader Smug, ridden by Michael Roustoby, appeared to have the measure of his chasing rivals. I was at Ruakaka watching the race on Trackside with Chris Wood, who trained Smug. Forgetting all about "going the early crow" I confidently told Wood Smug was going to win. "You're home Woodsy" I asserted. Sign Up Offer We'll match your first deposit upto $50 in Bonus Cash when you join TAB. Bonus Cash is a product, not actual cash. Max bonus $50. New customers only. T&C's apply. Join Now Shouldn't have bothered....and should've known better. Just as I was starting to congratulate Wood, (with all of 600m to go and one last fence to jump), the inevitable happened. After clearing the second to last fence, Smug suddenly appeared to veer out and looked as if it had run off. A couple of others followed suit, veering out sharply as well through a narrow gap in the outside rail. However, three other rivals stayed on the "right" course and made their way towards the last fence. It was a "believe it or not" scenario as two groups of three horses split apart leaving everyone as confused as the other. I looked at Wood and I think we both simultaneously realised what had happened. "My horse has taken the wrong course and he'll have to be disqualified," said Wood. Normally, in circumstances like this, I fully expected Wood to vent his frustration. Not only for himself as trainer, but also for his owners and the betting public. Everyone had missed out, through no fault of their own. Kudos to Chris Wood here. As a former successful jumps jockey himself, he obviously had a greater appreciation of the nuances of riding in a jumps race, and what could go wrong. I was impressed with the levelheaded reaction, which masked his obvious disappointment. No histrionics, just a resigned awareness of what would happen. And he was right of course. Smug continued to "race", jumped the last fence safely and was in front at the finish post. If you get the chance to watch the replay, have a look at Roustoby's reaction after crossing the line. He knew he had erred, and the disappointment was obvious. The siren immediately sounded and after the judicial enquiry there was the inevitable change of placings. Eventually, Hey Hey Hey was declared the winner with Smug, Fabulous Nancy and Catch and Release all being disqualified for not taking the right course. The three riders of the disqualified horses each copped a three-week suspension for their misdemeanours. I'm not going to get into a blame game here. You could question why there was a gap in the rail which gave the three horses the opportunity to pass through the gap in the first instance. Nevertheless, it was pilot error, and those three riders made a momentary lapse of judgement and have paid the consequences. If there's any justice in the racing game, I hope Smug wins its next start. Chris Wood and his owners deserve that.

Interesting to see that Trackside NZ on there facebook page put this article out as a Sponsored post! (which means the pay so that it can be seen by more people) https://trackside.co.nz/article/george-simon-going-the-early-crow-catches-me-out-again?fbclid=IwY2xjawLUIbNleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBicmlkETE0UUlPTHVUR25FSnk1RVRyAR7KPe5ZttkCdL1mOqQ-4TgnrUQzS8jmvV6Bxzynw1HDQ-0cCDq6vDu0NKls8A_aem_E5NIY-OjhhjXyanDvJ55oQ

i see that they have now corrected who won what stake money, the D'sq horses are now down as Nil. the pulled up and the fallen horse both got $520

a interview where heh (to my eye) smirked his way through the whole way! as if? it was rather practiced.. guess we just have to wait to see how the punters bet! or not!

is that in itself actually a problem? I used to love the work of the late great Mr Noel Eales... I could add a big fan of some other Stables as well! and nothing to wrong with that sort of thing!

Really? Do you want social media to vote on ANYTHING? Really? Do you want social media to vote on ANYTHING? My comment was based that there don't seem to be that many 'racing awards' that people can vote on, via social media.. can you name some? re the awards that this thread is about, I don't really care... for what its worth! I hopefully can find the energy to produce my own awards for down this! a few woman in the game down this way have had very good seasons! another for what it's worth! about 50% of my bets this season were on Team Orange horses! personally, I have found having a negative cognitive bias around certain trainer or owners or jockeys just makes punting even harder!

sigh, the have a grip tighter than a ducks bum! way to scared to go to social media! sadly so!

Are the TAB offering odds on that sort of thing!

on reflection, if you look at say the riders like NGH and CWJ, they both found that at a certain stage they actually started to lose a bit of muscle mass, which helped them lose a bit of weight, which meant they didn't have to be so stressed out making weight... CWJ had the advantage that he was a simple sensible eater, very helpful if you can actually eat! So many riders so suffer from not getting that sort of thing correct! All the best for OP for this next stage of his career! I presume that there will be some outside assistance in helping with that sort of thing! J Mac sets a great example in the so important area of any pro sportsman.

the G1 winners in NZ this season

it would make a interesting event for the tab to be offering odds on!

NR "deep investment across the technology platform whether that be with the new self-service terminals " It would make interesting reading to be seeing the costs of this? how much are the ongoing costs to the place that run them? who be using them? v's who bets via their phones? NR "we've seen with your broadcasting operation and um you know we wouldn't have been able to afford to have a great team at Trentham today" Reflecting wearing a punters hat: I didn't watch any races live, so can't comment about the lead up to each race. I did not that there was critical comments re the large use of drones.. a crude estimate 65% against... as a Punter I think it doesn't add a lot for the live race, but could be a nice tool in flat races in reviewing any race later NR "but there is going to be some tough decisions need to be made by the industry to make sure those racing inputs which sustain the betting revenue uh are achieved" as in? selling Avondale? to the question "What sort of figures are we talking about in monetary sense and the loss that we're losing in New Zealand racing currently that you expect to gain?" NR " NR "yeah so about a third of the New Zealand betting market is currently offshore" did I see his nose grow when he said that??? I presume that those numbers came via some of the questioners some of us punters have been ask over the last few years? How well would those number$ stack up to some academic rigour?

on the new monopoly betting legislation.. it starts at 18.30 mark.. I have added the text... "An update from the TAB with regards to the changes in the betting laws and we invited Nick Roberts to join us on the show this week Yeah the Racing Industry Amendment Act uh was passed on uh Wednesday this week Unanimous support from Parliament and the racing minister has worked really hard to get that through for us Um when we started this partnership we sort of had a pretty clear uh objective at TAB New Zealand which was to make sure that Kiwi punters are getting a world-class experience in the safe environment and we're maximizing funding for u our stakeholders whether that be racing or sport So the act makes it exclusive rights for TAB New Zealand for racing and sports betting in New Zealand Uh obviously Entain are our partners who deliver on our betting and broadcasting operations And so what that means is that we now have the sole rights for New Zealand So from now people are only betting on tab and beter in New Zealand legally Tell us the positives for the New Zealand racing industry and what uh the legislation will bring Yeah So I think um if you look at what we're trying to achieve as I said before uh it's sort of a three-legg multi that we're looking at Right So in started with making sure that deep investment across the technology platform whether that be with the new self-service terminals we've seen with your broadcasting operation and um you know we wouldn't have been able to afford to have a great team at Trentham today before the Intane partnership their deep investment in the platform uh and then I think what this regulation does is sort of the second leg of that to make sure we sustain the funding for the future and then the third leg is going to be making sure that racing is standing on its own two feet in the next three years because that's when the minimum funding um closes from inane and we are down to a revenue share model we have a lot of confidence in performing to meet our expectations on that front but there is going to be some tough decisions need to be made by the industry to make sure those racing inputs which sustain the betting revenue uh are achieved What sort of figures are we talking about in monetary sense and the loss that we're losing in New Zealand racing currently that you expect to gain yeah so about a third of the New Zealand betting market is currently offshore So we need to recapture that We expect that the funding levels that we've committed to the industry at the moment um can be sustained for the long term So at the moment we distribute $185 million to the racing codes to split amongst themselves We think we can we will now be able to hold that for the long term and hopefully increase that once we can see that New Zealand racing product increase Guess the trade-off for punters is that at the moment they have options in terms of where they look to have a bet What will we be doing in New Zealand to ensure that we are still looking after punters given that it's now going to be a monopoly yeah sure So look I think the big thing is I would say to everyone is just wait and see how this rolls out right i think you'll be very surprised how fair this is going to be In have undertaken to us and have undertaken to the government that everyone's going to get a fair go here The pundit's promise will continue on Um Andrew Voris who's the new CEO of Inane Australia and New Zealand Um we've got good alignment already um in the last couple of week and what we're expecting is the punters to have a a good fair go they'll be able to have a reason to bet on New Zealand race and they'll be treated fairly throughout the system Well as you can hear through that interview really positive stuff with that new legislation in place all filters through to the industry <ends>

Would it be correct to say that they now be one of the biggest owners currently racing Horses in NZ? A quick look at their page on https://www.tab.co.nz/racing-club shows that the stable now has build up to 34 Horses, 1 in Active, getting ready for it fresh up run on July 20th, 17 are in Training, 16 are out spelling. About a 66/34 split Gallops v Harness. Sitting here in the cheaps seats! a fascinating, in public game, of 'the reality of racing a horse' <- with the actual costs of doing so hidden behind a corporate screen! v's the posible propaganda of championing of 'the sport' along with its highs and lows of said ownership! A classic case of Reality v Propaganda! lol, one of those is batting 1,000 (in baseball the MLB average is .250) v's not to sure what the average would be for Team Propaganda? Do many 'boay's' follower the progress of this 'club'

100% no my date is march 2026 not personally! more so for me about the sad reality of me being rather seriously Bitter and Twisted! spite! more on that sort of thing below! Personally, my betting has been decreasing year on year, both the number of bets and the size of the bets. Mostly around the state of the tracks and the way racing has/is being shown on TV. Of course the take out rates on many bets are just vulgar and only a 'mug' or fun punter would be playing into them! Re the tracks, once when I was in a very privileged position of having the ear to the opinions of some very successful jockeys (and a couple of Trainers) I learnt that once moister increases on a track then X horses don't gallop their best! Paradoxically, A horse that might like a track with some increased moister but still not actually gallop their best on the track presented on that day! With head office dictating that a track must be x at the start of the day has meant that x amount of water has to be put on! Leading to different parts of a track having a different x rating, Meaning a horse might be handling and not handling a track on any given day! Over the ditch there has been some interesting research showing this to be in play! Trying to pick a winner has got harder in my book for most punters! though, for a small vein of punters, with connections to a leading rider/stable, it might have got a tad easier because the depth of competition in many races is no longer there! Hence, as the tracks have seriously play worse! My betting has massively decreased! At certain tracks, where I used to do most of my serious punting, as they got so bad that I stopped betting on them! As in Trentham and Riccarton! Re Coverage of Racing. A while back (20 years ago???) as the ever increasing quality of digital camera technology came into being, it was 'promised' that we would be getting better coverage from the Track. In a very small way that has happen, as in Champions day. ( a day in which I rather shocked myself by having 5 decent bets) What has increased! massively has be the number races are shown! The build up to most races has decreased! Often you don't get to see all the horses! At times you don't even get to see all the favourites in a race! As a punter whose betting is 95% framed around how well 'my punting eye' see the horse in their prerace presentation, in how well they do their prelims and how well the look around at the starting stalls! More often than not! I ended up getting rather frustrated!!! The reality of the 'a race every 5mins' and with that the lack of seeing the horses has meant that I slowly stopped watching lots of nz races, which meant that the number of horses that I had/have in my 'blackbook' has slowly but surely been decreasing and with that my number of bets have decreased as well! A while ago, 'marketing dept championed the halo effect', once that was very true about me and my betting. I was involved with a couple of betting syndicates. A couple of them turned over 100k plus, year on year. My main key role in them was to find suitable horses for the black type races. As the reality of watering the tracks kicked in and I voiced my thoughts on them! I started to get some kick back from certain key paid players in the game! One even writing to many claiming that I need to be 'blackballed' out of Industry! I would like to think that my directed criticism did help in changing the reality around "it is no longer acceptable to send the riders around in the 1st to Prove that the track is not safe!!!" I tip my hat to 'the stipes' who now front up and will make the call to stop racing on any given day! Sadly, the historical problems with many tracks is still being played out! Perhaps something on Sports betting! It has been something that I have always had a interest, going back way before the TAB got involved. Back when I use to run a Billiards Room I use to 'run a book' Once the TAB offered their odds! Team R&B winning rather a lot was very profitable! I only wound down as Rugby became rather boring to watch! It surprises many today when I stop watching/betting. Jumping to the present, for the last couple of years my betting has moved over to NFL in a very minor way! MLB now has my focus, I love how there is so much info re this sport, if you want to find it and use it. If I was ever to get serious and be trying to pay the rent via betting on anything, then this would be the sport! If I was going to be doing so! then I don't see how you could be successful enough betting with the TAB, as I think serious abridging would be need to grind out a profit! Betting with multiple bookies would be needed! I reckon for modern betting, lots of focused brain power is needed, age negates that so! leaving, it be off to the punters retirement home.. Also, one thing that has keep me in, not betting related! is the reality of my 'racing photo collection'. I'm slowly getting it better organised, am working on doing some sort of 'final showing', sigh.... What I do know is the end of my interest re 'things racing' is on track to me being gone! Knowing that there are other areas in my life that I can be getting a lot more joy from! rave over!! ps, I could say that I have been hanging in there as backroom support for a certain jockey, that has now came to a end....

it starts at the 26.50 mark

Over the last two days we visited 2 SI tracks! I don't know what the clegg or track rating was, gave it the shoe test! That was after walking a few k's all over said course!

Greyhound Racing New Zealand Snroospdte61:7m0uc15J97a4323 4n382ta45g8t03 ah2 11tuae84l2hc · New analysis details Government annual gift of $119m to multinational gambling company Greyhound Racing New Zealand has released new analysis detailing the extent to which the Government is financially supporting a multinational gambling giant. It comes as the Government is expected this week to pass the Racing Industry Amendment Bill into law, creating a digital monopoly on gambling for Entain. The analysis, prepared by an independent consultant, details the financial help required for Entain to meet its funding guarantee of $150m per year to the racing industry. The funding guarantee, combined with a guarantee to retain approximately 450 TAB staff until June 2025, were set under the terms of the agreement when the TAB’s betting business was outsourced to Entain in 2023. The analysis estimates in dollar terms the value of the Government’s support to bail out Entain so it can limit its losses in meeting the terms of its deal until 2029. The passage of legislation to block New Zealanders from gambling offshore will boost Entain annual revenues by at least $75m per year. The retention of gambling on Australian greyhounds after the ban comes into effect, will preserve Entain gross betting revenues of approximately $44m per year. Without these actions by the Government, Entain would be faced with an estimated revenue deficit of $26m per year. Greyhound Racing New Zealand CEO Edward Rennell said: “The Government has chosen to bail out a multinational gambling company at the expense of ordinary Kiwis. “It will shamelessly pass laws and create digital monopolies so Entain can meet its funding guarantees and obligations to private shareholders. “Entain won’t need to compete to win new revenue as it was brought in to do. It will be gifted it by banning Kiwis from using non-Entain betting providers and retaining gambling on Australian greyhound racing. “The decision to keep taking money from Australian greyhound races, but strip thousands of regional Kiwis of their livelihoods and passion, is depressingly cynical and hypocritical. “Gross income of $44 million dollars each year will now be sliced up between the Government, Entain and the equine codes and not go to the thousands of trainers, owners, and breeders involved in greyhound racing. “It’s a reverse Robin Hood. The Government is taking money from the provinces to save face on a bad deal and keep the money flowing into Entain, thoroughbred and harness racing.” /Ends For further information contact: Liam Constable – 029 200 9842 EDITORS NOTES Timeline of Entain – TAB deal: March 2023: TAB and Entain agreed to enter a strategic partnership agreement where TAB has delegated its betting and wagering functions to Entain. May 2023: The partnership was approved by then Racing Minister Labour’s Kieran McAnulty, outsourcing TAB’s monopoly betting operation to Entain for 25 years, a UK-listed multinational. 50% revenue share between Entain and the TAB. May 2023: TAB sought a variation to its authorisation of its arrangements with Tabcorp to reflect strategic partnership with Entain. June 2023: The partnership officially started on June 1, 2023. Entain Guarantees under the terms of sale: Entain provided TAB $150 million upfront a with a guaranteed $150 million for the first five years. $10 million sponsorship for racing carnivals. On passage of the Racing Amendment bill into law: $100 million payment from Entain, $80 million to be shared between thoroughbred and harness racing Entain committed to no forced redundancies for first 24 months of the agreement, due to expire this month (June 2025). Book value of Entain’s TAB licence assets, if the Racing Amendment legislation goes through: According to Entain’s March 2025 annual report, the estimated value of the New Zealand TAB licence assets was $2.7 billion NZD, including the potential introduction of the legislation.

A questitmat price? more than the filly?

The owners of champion mare Winx will offer the 25-time Group 1 winner’s second live foal to the market, entrusting auction house Inglis to sell her Snitzel colt next year on their behalf. The colt by Snitzel out of Winx with Inglis' Sebastian Hutch. )Photo: Inglis) The valuable colt by Arrowfield’s late four-time champion sire will take centre stage at Inglis’ Riverside Stables complex in early April, two years after his half-sister by Pierro sold for a world record $10 million at the Australian Easter Yearling Sale. The colt’s breeders Peter and Patty Tighe, Woppitt Bloodstock and Elizabeth and Rick Treweeke asked Inglis to pitch for the opportunity to sell the November 25-born colt. Armed with the precedent of last year’s yearling sale benchmark price and the associated fanfare, Inglis put forward what chief executive Sebastian Hutch says was a compelling and ultimately successful case to sell Winx’s first colt. “I suppose the process really was reasonably similar (to when the Pierro filly was canvassed for sale), although it has happened slightly earlier in the calendar year than what's happened with the filly,” Hutch told The Straight. “Certainly from our end, we built a good rapport with the ownership group through the sale of the filly in 2024. “It was a fantastic experience and I suppose our whole team felt like we worked hard and effectively in making a positive one for the owners. So, I think we had some credits in the bank with them.” advertisement The Pierro filly’s sale attracted global headlines within and outside racing and bloodstock circles due to her rarity and the fact horses of her pedigree are rarely sold by their breeders. An emotional Debbie Kepitis of Woppitt Bloodstock paid $10 million to buy out the Treweekes and Tighes, holding off the the challenge from American owner and breeder John Stewart who lived up to his public statements that he’d go to $9 million in an effort to buy Winx’s first foal. Named Quinceanera, the unraced two-year-old is in training with Chris Waller, the man who guided Winx throughout her remarkable 43-start career. Hutch has inspected the Snitzel colt a few times this year and he has been taken by the colt’s demeanour and conformation with a “nice shape” and “good, clean limbs”. “Probably the first thing that struck me when I saw him for the first time was I was really taken aback by how strong he was when I saw him in the mid-summer of this year, back in January. I was just a bit shocked at how strong he was,” Hutch said. “He was a very impressive horse then, and I've seen him a couple of times since. Obviously, he's still a very young horse and he's changed and grown and developed and what have you, but I took real encouragement from that first time I saw him. The colt out of Winx is expected to be highly sought after. {Photo: Inglis) “Obviously, his sister, from my experience, was quite similar to the dam, just in terms of colour and just even her aesthetics through her head, etc. “This horse has markings that people will see as being consistent with plenty of nice Snitzels that they've seen, a bit of white through his face.” Peter Tighe has little doubt that Winx’s Snitzel colt will command attention from domestic and overseas owners when he ventures into the Sydney sales ring. “The thrill the sale of the Pierro filly last year gave the ownership group was indescribable, it absolutely blew our minds, the team at Inglis did an incredible job and we think the Snitzel colt will get the attention of investors from right around the world in 2026,” Tighe said. “The journey Winx, and then her Pierro daughter, has taken us on has been incredible and now somebody else gets the rare opportunity to buy a son of arguably the greatest race mare we have ever seen, certainly in our eyes at least.’’ Snitzel died earlier this month at a time when his progeny have never been so highly sought after, with his current yearlings averaging a career-high $656,889 and selling to a high of $2.8 million at the Magic Millions in January. The appearance of Stewart, now a major bloodstock investor globally, for the first time at the 2024 Easter sale via Inglis managing director Mark Webster ensured there was sales ring theatrics like no other and the $10 million result, making the Pierro filly the highest-priced yearling ever sold. ADVERTISEMENT Hutch says there were other international buyers who were interested in Winx’s first foal who could be bidders on the colt next year. “There was certainly one major Japanese investor. I think most people would have thought they would have had enough money to buy the filly at Easter in 2024, but they pretty much couldn't even get a bid in,” Hutch said. “I know that was a source of disappointment for them, but I think the colt has the capacity to make no less appeal to them, maybe even more. He's a pretty fascinating young horse. “Hopefully he can have a good spring, a straightforward summer and then prep nicely for the sale.” Kepitis is understandably enamored with the colt. “He’s a very handsome boy. Just wait until you see him, he’s got everything going for him,’’ Kepitis said. “From the day he was born he’s been a very charismatic horse. He has been bred to win a Cox Plate and anyone who looks at him tells me that he has all the right physical characteristics to be an elite racehorse.’’ Winx, a four-time Cox Plate winner and one of Australia’s best racehorses of all time whose racecourse feats transcended the racing public, has endured a difficult time as a broodmare. Her first foal, by I Am Invincible, was born dead, prompting her owners to rest the mare for a season. She subsequently had the Pierro filly before failing to get in foal to Snitzel in 2022, but the mating was successful a year later, producing the colt. His late birth date again saw Winx’s owners rest her last year with Darley’s returning champion young shuttle sire Too Darn Hot in line to cover the Street Cry mare in the upcoming breeding season.

(blush) meant to say $5... one cash bet and a series of deposit bonus bets.. have licked you a pm...

interesting question! total refund of all bets? I see the Dq horse did get some stake money

i got them at 5/1 I had a small covering bet on Orioles.. 30 bucks, cashed it out @1.07