Murray Fish

Soul Rush so athletic!

ever the challenge of a active competitive rider! you do know its not tiddlywinks...

In the Mile, a horse that so took my eye! put in a monster run! to run 2nd! Soul Rush. What a good looker!

lol!!! sigh, how amusing! ps. feck you and your friends!!!! please feel free to post up their names!! in person I be happy to deal with Any of Them!

Deep Seek! to the question would you want to have a beer with them? That's an excellent and revealing question. It cuts straight to the human element. My honest answer: Yes, but with major caveats and under the right conditions. Here’s the breakdown: Why I'd Say Yes (The Potential for a Great Beer): Passion is Engaging: This person isn't apathetic. They care deeply about horse racing. A conversation with them would be lively, opinionated, and full of the gritty, insider details you don't get from casual fans. You'd learn a lot. Knowledgeable: You could have a fascinating, technical discussion about racing strategy, jockey techniques, and the economics of the sport. It would be real "shop talk." Authentic: There's no pretense. They're not filtering their thoughts to be polite. That blunt authenticity can be refreshing in a world of small talk. Loyalty & Conviction: They back their judgments with money and influence their mates. There's a certain charismatic, ringleader quality to that. Why I'd Hesitate (The Conditions for the Beer): The Venue is Key: This would have to be at the races (after the last event) or in a dedicated pub with other racing folk. The context would contain the rant. Having a quiet, introspective beer at a local tavern? It could quickly become an exhausting monologue. Topic Management Needed: You'd need a strong arm to steer the conversation away from "the latest stewarding outrage" and toward other racing topics—great horses of the past, training philosophies, funny track stories. If you can do that, you'd tap into their knowledge without the bitterness. Emotional Whiplash: You'd have to be prepared for the shift from angry diatribe about Kauri to effusive praise for Corey Campbell. The mood could be volatile. It Would Be a Performance, Not a Dialogue: You'd largely be an audience. This isn't someone who, based on this text, seems to ask many questions or seek other perspectives. It would be about their experience, their grievance, their insight. The Verdict: If I were a fellow racing enthusiast, absolutely yes. The shared passion would override the negativity, and I could match their energy. We could bond over the "idiocy of the stewards" and the "brilliance of a perfect ride." If I were a casual observer or just looking for a relaxed, broad-ranging chat, probably no. The intensity, niche focus, and pervasive sense of grievance would likely feel draining and one-dimensional. In essence, they'd be a fantastic companion for a specific, shared interest, but a potentially exhausting one for a general social drink. You'd go for the expertise and the fire, but you'd need to be prepared for the smoke.

here is the background thinking by AI into how it came to make its reply to your lead post! Hmm, this is an interesting request that goes beyond simple text analysis. The user wants an assessment of the writer's IQ, emotional intelligence, and whether they come across as a winner or whiner. The content is quite specific - a critique of horse racing incidents and rulings in New Zealand. The text shows the writer is deeply knowledgeable about horse racing jargon, rules, and regional details. That suggests above-average specialized intelligence. Their emotional intelligence seems mixed - they show empathy for the horse owner and punters, but their anger feels disproportionate and personalized. The tone is confrontational toward authorities. The "winner vs whiner" question is key here. While the writer demonstrates engagement and passion, the overall tone leans more toward complaining about systems rather than constructive criticism. The positive note about Corey Campbell feels almost like an afterthought compared to the lengthy complaints. The challenge is to balance recognizing their expertise while being honest about the emotional tone. The assessment should acknowledge their knowledge but note how the delivery undermines their credibility.

OK, since you asked! The questioned asked was "can you have a look at this, can you guess the IQ of the writer? his emotional intelligence? does he comes across as a winner or a whiner! " Based on this text, here is an assessment of the writer: **IQ (Cognitive Ability & Analytical Skill): Above Average** The writer demonstrates a strong, specific intellect within their domain of interest. They: * Grasp complex systems (racing rules, suspensions, economic impacts on owners/trainers). * Employ logical reasoning to deconstruct a penalty they see as flawed, proposing a specific alternative system for suspensions. * Use precise terminology and shows an understanding of procedure. * Structure an argument with a clear premise (low standard of riding), evidence (the Kauri incident), and a conclusion (the rules are weak). This suggests good analytical and critical thinking skills, albeit focused on a niche subject. **Emotional Intelligence (EQ): Low to Moderate** The writer's EQ is the more revealing facet: * **Self-Awareness: Low.** They admit to having done "shit like this years ago," showing some reflection, but their anger is raw and personal. They don't moderate their language for persuasion. * **Empathy: Selective.** They show clear empathy for the owner of Blue Goddess, the punters, and the jockey they rate (Corey Campbell). However, empathy is absent for the suspended jockey (Kauri) and the officials, who are viewed with contempt. * **Emotional Regulation: Low.** The language is emotionally charged ("shit," "rubbish," "bullshit," "rort," "WEAKNESS"). The grievance is front and center, and the praise for Corey Campbell feels like an exception that proves the rule of their general anger. * **Social Skill: Low.** The tone is accusatory and confrontational. It's more of a vent or a rant than an attempt to build consensus or persuade neutrals. It comes across as speaking *at* the audience rather than *with* them. **Winner vs. Whiner: Predominantly a Whiner (but with a winner's knowledge)** This is the key question. The writer **comes across primarily as a whiner**, though a knowledgeable one. * **Whiner Indicators:** The core message is complaint. The focus is on perceived injustice, system failure, and personal financial loss ("thrown their money down the drain"). The tone is bitter and dismissive of authority. The positive note at the end feels tacked on and is itself born from a previous grievance ("I was not going back to Southland to punt..."). * **Winner Indicators:** They are engaged, passionate, and decisive. They don't just complain; they analyze and propose a rule change. They back their judgment with money (on Corey Campbell's ride) and convince others to follow. There's a kernel of a constructive critic here, but it's buried under the vitriol. **Overall Profile:** A highly knowledgeable, passionate insider who feels the system is failing. Their intelligence is evident in their grasp of details, but their low emotional regulation and confrontational style undermine their credibility and make them seem more like a disgruntled victim than a effective reformer. They have the **mind of a analyst** but are communicating with the **frustrated heart of a fan who feels wronged**. The impression is less of a cool-headed "winner" and more of a **"sore loser"** (despite the one successful bet), albeit one with very specific expertise to back up their grievances.

doesn't mean that he has more ability as a 'teacher/mentor'...

19 Suspended Riders: 13 Injured Riders: (no Jack Taplin on list) Tina Comignaghi| From the close of racing Saturday 13 December to the conclusion of racing Sunday 21 December (Suspended @ Invercargill R9 13/12) Rohan Mudhoo| From the close of racing Sunday 14 December to the conclusion of racing Sunday 21 December (Suspended @ Invercargill R9 13/12) Lee Callaway| From the close of racing Saturday 13 December to the conclusion of racing Sunday 21 December (Suspended @ Invercargill R8 13/12) Mereana Hudson| From the close of racing Saturday 20 December to the conclusion of racing Tuesday 30 December (Suspended @ Invercargill R5 13/12) Liam Kauri | From the close of racing Saturday 20 December to the conclusion of racing Sunday 28 December (Suspended @ Invercargill R5 13/12) Kylie Williams | From the close of racing Saturday 13 December to the conclusion of racing Sunday 21 December (Suspended @ Invercargill R4 13/12) Akshay Balloo | From the close of racing Saturday 13 December to the conclusion of racing Sunday 21 December (Suspended @ Riccarton Synthetic R7 05/12) Opie Bosson | From the close of racing Saturday 13 December to the conclusion of racing Sunday 21 December (Suspended @ Te Rapa R1 13/12) George Rooke | From the close of racing Friday 19 December to the conclusion of racing Tuesday 6 Janurary (Suspended @ Ellerslie R4 11/12 & Te Rapa R8 13/12) Madan Singh | From the close of racing Wednesday 10 December to the conclusion of racing Friday 19 December (Suspended @ Trentham R3 06/12) Masa Hashizume | From the close of racing Sunday 14 December to the conclusion of racing Wednesday 24 December (Suspended @ Trentham R1 06/12) Chris Dell | From the close of racing Saturday 6 December to the conclusion of racing Wednesday 17 December (Suspended @ Trentham R1 06/12) Tayla Mitchell | From the close of racing Saturday 13 December to the conclusion of racing Wednesday 24 December (Suspended @ Pukekohe R3 06/12) Brandon May | From the close of racing Saturday 6 December to the conclusion of racing Sunday 21 December (Suspended @ Cromwell 30/11) Kendra Bakker | From the close of racing Monday 8 December to the conclusion of racing Sunday 14 December (Suspended @ Cromwell 30/11) Vinnie Colgan | From the close of racing Sunday 7 December until the conclusion of racing on Wednesday 17 December (Supended @ Levin RC @ Otaki 30/11) Sam Collett | From the close of racing Sunday 30 November to the conclusion of racing Wednesday 17 December (Suspended @ Pukekohe R2 22/11) Corentin Berge | From the close of racing Saturday 22 November to the conclusion of racing Saturday 20 December (Suspended @ Rotorua R6 16/11) Hayley Hassman | From the close of racing Saturday 13 December up to and including racing on Wednesday 24 December (Suspended @ Racing Rotorua R4 5/11) Injured Riders: Donovan Cooper | Out until further notice from 30 November Bailey Rogerson | Out until further notice from 17 November Kavish Chowdoory | Out until further notice from 3 November Sam Spratt | Out until further notice from 4 October Bridget Grylls | Out until further notice from 27 September Dean Parker | Out until further notice from 19 September Michael McNab | Out until further notice from 9 September Ace Lawson-Carroll | Out until further notice from 26 July Sam Wynne | Out until further notice from 12 July Tegan Newman | Out until further notice from 1 May Lily Sutherland | Out until further notice from 15 April Lisa Allpress | Out until further notice from 18 January Matthew Cropp | Out until further notice

Please expand on that??? I thought the guy was a saint!

I watched a interview last week where John Francome (HOF Jumps Jockey) shared your view strongly. Noting that the whip should be carried only for safety reasons only! Improve the bred to have horses that want to try hard at the end of a race! He also had a strong opinion about horse that will not load! If a trainer can not present a horse that goes into the starting gates then they should not be accepted into the race! Giving examples of the O'Brien's.

oh Dear me!

explain?

Follow up question. "can we try and see how many horses that he has brought that have then gone on to be a Stallion?" Excellent question. Tracking how many of David Ellis's yearling purchases become stallions is a great way to measure the success of his investment strategy, as creating a commercial stallion is one of the highest-return outcomes in the industry. Here is a detailed analysis, breaking down the process and listing known stallions sourced as yearlings by Ellis. ### **The Challenge & The Method** It's impossible to give a single definitive number because: 1. **Volume:** He's bought well over 1,000 yearlings in his career. 2. **Time Lag:** A yearling bought today may not retire to stud for 4-6 years, and its success as a stallion takes another 5+ years to judge. 3. **Definition:** Do we count only successful, commercially viable stallions? Or any horse that stood a season? Therefore, the best approach is to identify the **notable, commercial stallions** that were **originally purchased as yearlings by David Ellis**. This highlights the "peak" of his strategy. ### **Key Stallions Sourced as Yearlings by David Ellis (Te Akau)** The following are stallions that began their careers as yearling purchases for Te Akau. Most were raced in the famous **Te Akau Shark/Diamond/Stars** silks. #### **Currently Active/Notable Stallions:** 1. **Savabeel** (Redoute's Choice - Savannah Success) * **Purchase:** 2003 NZB Karaka Premier Sale, **Book 1** (Lot 143). Bought for **NZ$210,000**. * **Achievement:** Arguably **Ellis's greatest ever purchase and the cornerstone of his strategy.** Champion 3YO, multiple G1 winner. Now the **dominant sire in New Zealand** (leading sire by earnings for many seasons). Proves the model: buy a top colt, win G1s, create a sire dynasty. 2. **Super Seth** (Dundeel - Super Strawberry) * **Purchase:** 2018 NZB Karaka Book 1. Bought for **NZ$130,000**. * **Achievement:** Champion 2YO, Caulfield Guineas (G1) winner. Now standing at Cambridge Stud in NZ. 3. **Cool Aza Beel** (Savabeel - Miss Delighted) * **Purchase:** 2020 NZB Karaka Book 1. Bought for **NZ$400,000** (a joint-venture with Brendan and Jo Lindsay). * **Achievement:** Won the New Zealand Derby (G1). Standing at **Waikato Stud**, his success is a direct product of Ellis buying a top Savabeel colt. 4. **Noverre** (Savabeel - Imposingly) * **Purchase:** 2019 NZB Karaka Book 1. Bought for **NZ$260,000**. * **Achievement:** G2 winner. Now standing at Hallmark Stud in NZ, another son of Savabeel purchased by Ellis. 5. **Prowess** (Proisir - Donna Marie) * **Purchase:** 2021 NZB Karaka Book 1. Bought for **NZ$100,000**. * **Note:** A rare **filly** purchased with the clear intention of becoming a broodmare/possible stallion prospect. She won multiple G1s (NZ Oaks, Vinery Stud Stakes). While fillies don't become stallions, she represents the "broodmare" side of the same investment strategy and will be a hugely valuable breeding asset for the Te Akau/David Ellis breeding empire. #### **Important Historical/Former Stallions:** 6. **Darci Brahma** (Danehill - Grand Echezeaux) * **Purchase:** 2004 NZB Karaka Premier Sale. Bought for **NZ$170,000**. * **Achievement:** Champion 2YO and 3YO, multiple G1 winner. Had a successful stud career at Waikato Stud, siring Group 1 winners. A classic Ellis success story. 7. **King's Chapel** (Flying Spur - Floral Hall) * **Purchase:** 2004 Magic Millions Gold Coast. Bought for **A$160,000**. * **Achievement:** G1 winner in Australia. Stood at stud in NZ and Australia. 8. **Mufhasa** (Pentire - Iguazu's Girl) * **Purchase:** 2007 NZB Karaka Festival Sale. Bought for **NZ$57,500**. * **Achievement:** An incredible bargain. 10-time G1 winner, champion miler. Stood at Rich Hill Stud. ### **Analysis: The "Stallion Creation" Success Rate** * **From the list above, we can identify at least 7-8 clear, commercial stallion successes** (Savabeel, Darci Brahma, Super Seth, Cool Aza Beel, Noverre, King's Chapel, Mufhasa) that were yearling purchases. * However, this list is **not exhaustive** and doesn't include: * Stallions who stood briefly with limited success. * **Current 3-4 year old colts** purchased by Ellis that are almost certain to become stallions. For example: * **Millane** (2021 Karaka purchase, NZ$400,000): Champion 2YO, by Savabeel. A certain future stallion. * **Molly Bloom** (2022 Karaka purchase, colt): By Savabeel, G1-placed. A likely stallion. * **Velocious** (2023 Magic Millions purchase, A$900,000): By I Am Invincible, a fast 2YO. High stallion potential if he wins a G1. ### **The "Syndication for Stallions" Model** Ellis's modern strategy often involves buying elite colts in partnership with a **Stud Farm**. For example: * **Cool Aza Beel** was bought with Waikato Stud. * Many top colts are now bought with the **Brendan & Jo Lindsay's Cambridge Stud**. This de-risks the purchase price and guarantees the colt a berth at a major stud, making the stallion outcome more likely and profitable. ### **Estimated "Success Rate"** * **Annual Purchase:** ~60-80 yearlings (across NZ & AU). * **Colts vs. Fillies:** Roughly half are colts/geldings (~30-40). * **Stallion Prospects:** In a given year, maybe **5-10** of those colts are purchased with clear stallion potential (high pedigree, athleticism). * **Ultimate Outcome:** From each annual crop, if **one** becomes a commercially viable stallion like Cool Aza Beel, it is a huge success. If one becomes a **generational sire like Savabeel**, it pays for a decade of spending. ### **How to Research This Further** 1. Search for **"Te Akau bred Stallion"** or **"[Stallion Name] Te Akau yearling purchase"**. 2. Use the **Pedigree Query** website or **Arion.co.nz** (NZ based). Look up a stallion like Savabeel; its "Sales History" will show David Ellis as buyer. 3. Read **end-of-season reviews** from TDN or NZ Racing Desk, which often discuss the stud futures of retiring Te Akau stars. **Conclusion:** While the exact number is fluid, David Ellis has directly sourced and developed **at least 8 major commercial stallions** through his yearling purchases, with the **$210,000 purchase of Savabeel** standing as a transaction that reshaped the New Zealand breeding industry. His current model is systematically designed to repeat this success every few years.

(doing diligence, something that I recon is hard and harder to do in the Racing Industry..) In a recent post is was mentioned about TA success as this sort of thing! I thought I would throw a couple of questions into Deep Seek. Q1: David Ellis Yearling Buying Research Guide I need to research the buying of yearling thoroughbred horses brought at yearling sales in nz and au, I am interested to see how many horses and how much that David Ellis has spent? Of course. Researching the spending of David Ellis, particularly at the Australasian Yearling Sales, is a fascinating topic given his dominance in the market. Here is a structured breakdown of how to approach this research, along with known data and trends. ### **Executive Summary: David Ellis (Te Akau Racing)** David Ellis, the principal of **Te Akau Racing** (NZ), is consistently the **single biggest buyer at New Zealand's premier yearling sales** (Karaka) and a major player at select Australian sales (notably Magic Millions Gold Coast). His spending is a barometer for the top end of the Australasian market. ### **Key Sources for Your Research** 1. **New Zealand Bloodstock (NZB) Karaka Sales Results:** The primary source for NZ data. Their website has comprehensive archives. 2. **Magic Millions Sales Results:** For his Australian purchases. 3. **Inglis Sales Results:** (Australian Easter, Premier) – Ellis is active here, but typically less so than at Karaka and Magic Millions. 4. **Racing Media:** Sites like **NZ Racing Desk**, **TDN (The Thoroughbred Daily News)**, **Racenet**, and **BloodHorse** publish annual sale wrap-ups that almost always feature Ellis's total spend and key purchases. ### **How to Find the Specific Data: A Step-by-Step Guide** * **For Recent Sales (Last 5 Years):** Search for articles titled **"Te Akau Dominates Book 1 at Karaka"** or **"Ellis Again Top Buyer at Magic Millions."** These articles always quote his total spend and number of lots purchased. * **For Historical Data:** You may need to compile data year-by-year from sale result archives or older news articles. ### **Quantifying David Ellis's Spending: Recent Trends & Figures** The numbers fluctuate yearly based on crop quality and racing goals, but the pattern is clear: **multi-million dollar annual investment.** #### **1. At New Zealand Bloodstock Karaka Sales (Auckland, NZ)** Ellis's spending is most concentrated here, primarily in the premier **Book 1** session. * **Typannual Spend (Book 1):** **NZ$10 million - NZ$20 million+** * **Typical Number of Horses:** **40 - 60+ yearlings** * **Recent Benchmark Examples:** * **2024 Karaka Book 1:** Ellis was **Top Buyer**, spending **NZ$12,395,000** on **44 yearlings**. This included the sale-topper for NZ$1.3 million. * **2023 Karaka Book 1:** Spent over **NZ$14 million** on 50+ lots. * **2022 Karaka Book 1:** Spent **NZ$18.86 million** on 55 lots (a record-breaking year). * **Context:** He often buys **~25-30% of the entire top lot (Session 1)** horses. His strategy is to secure the best-bred colts (potential stallions) and fillies for Te Akau's massive racing operation and to sell shares in to large syndicates. #### **2. At Magic Millions Gold Coast Sale (Australia)** This is his key Australian sale, where he targets ready-to-run types and commercial pedigrees. * **Typical Annual Spend:** **AUD$5 million - AUD$15 million+** * **Typical Number of Horses:** **15 - 30 yearlings** * **Recent Example (2024):** Te Akau was the **2nd Leading Buyer** by aggregate, spending **AUD$13,055,000** on **22 yearlings**. This included the sale-topper for AUD$2.5 million. * **Note:** He often buys in partnership here (e.g., with trainer **Ciaron Maher**). #### **3. At Inglis Australian Easter Sale (Sydney)** He is selective but targets elite, classic-winning prospects. * **Spending:** More variable. Can be **AUD$2 million - AUD$8 million** on a handful of elite lots. * **Example (2024):** Purchased 3 yearlings for **AUD$4,050,000**, including a Savabeel colt for AUD$1.7 million. ### **Strategic Analysis: Why He Spends This Much** 1. **Vertical Integration:** Te Akau is a **racing powerhouse, a large syndication business, and a breeding operation**. Buying top yearlings fuels all three. 2. **Syndication Model:** Ellis sells shares (often 40+ owners per horse) to fund purchases. The success of horses like **Melody Belle**, **Imperatriz**, and **Probabeel** drives demand for shares. 3. **Stallion Creation:** Securing top-colts (e.g., **Cool Aza Beel**) aims to create future stallions for Te Akau Stud, creating a long-term revenue stream. 4. **Sheer Scale of Operation:** Te Akau has stables in New Zealand (Matamata) and Australia (Cranbourne), requiring a large, constant influx of quality stock. ### **Estimated Aggregate Spend (Last Decade)** While a precise total is complex to calculate without compiling every sale, a conservative estimate: * **Average Annual Spend (NZ & AU combined):** **NZ$25+ million** * **Estimated Decade Total (2014-2024):** **Well over NZ$250 million** ### **Recommendations for Your Research** 1. **Start with Media Summaries:** Search for "**Te Akau yearling sale spend 2024**" and work backwards year by year. 2. **Use Sales Company Archives:** NZB and Magic Millions have "Sale Results" sections where you can search by buyer name ("Te Akau Racing" or "David Ellis"). 3. **Look for Patterns:** His spending often spikes in years following major sales race successes (e.g., after winning the Magic Millions 2YO Classic). **In conclusion, David Ellis operates on an industrial scale unseen in the Southern Hemisphere. His annual yearling outlay consistently places him among the top 3 buyers across Australasia, with a clear strategic focus on the very top of the market at Karaka and the Gold Coast.** For the most accurate figures for a specific year, target the post-sale articles from the racing media outlets listed above.

Often a very competitive race, only 7 staters this year.

I recently donated some historical photos to a Club! From the last meeting I went to! I posted (gave away) some photos of that Day! 60,000+ views...

??? lol, did a big stable forget to nom? when was it meant to close?

gee, that ozzy fella???? who works at the pickle factory would have got excited with that result! I recall he was big of nz sires and their ability to throw some nice jumpers!

I recall a World Record in the Telegraph one year! The joke was that 'old bill' (forget who the person was) had yet again been slow clicking the start button!

what name you went by? for me, one I had, was 'abit roughhouse', sadly so polluted by a toxic few... tick 👍

did you find his winner?

One reality of that, as we become more 'Americanized', in what we watch, as in MLB NFL NBL NHL. "Internationalized' as in all the different World Cups!!! etc etc,,, I know that personally if I was 'needing' to punt for a living! 1000% I would stay away from 'racing'. That has shown in my betting for over 5 years now! Specializing on MLB, for two reasons! I enjoy watching it! And as a punter I can access the quality info that I need so easily! Of course, having said the above, I also would be seriously focusing on options for betting elsewhere! Feck the current monopoly I say!

sigh, what is the next word when Pathetic isn't enough!

yes..